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[Nashiktal]

So people who havnt played me1 wont be left out. Its a big thing with developers these days, integrating the new players however they can.

[gethslayer7]

@Nashiktal yea

[didymos1120]

Nashiktal wrote...

So people who havnt played me1 wont be left out. Its a big thing with developers these days, integrating the new players however they can.

That and a bunch of PC/360 folk want it, many simply for the novelty factor, and there's no good reason for Bioware not to.

ETA: And, if anything, I'd say the comic is more likely to get people who haven't already to buy ME1.  I imagine many will go "Hmm, I wonder what all they left out of this....I'd kinda like to see that."

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 décembre 2010 - 11:06 .

[Da_Lion_Man]

I'm so glad they decided to do this... now I can manipulate the story to an extent without spending 15 hours of my life playing Mass Effect 1 again and I don't have to buy the PS3 version anymore.

Thanks Bioware.



Though I agree it's a bit of a slap to the PS3 owners.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Sorry but, I'm a PS3 owner and I was expecting them to release it on PC/360 as well, I did keep pointing out that Jesse had said initial release, anyone expecting it not to ever get on PC/360 is/was delusional. To some extent I can see why people are seeing it as a crazy move, as it means some people won't bother with the PS3 version, but the fact is, it was all to do with bringing NEW players to the series. So current players not getting it on another system I don't think will bother them much.


Is this news going to stop me getting it on PS3, no, I have to say if anything the Demo has re-inforced my decision to get it on PS3 as well, due to my current situation I am in with my PC being dead and currently unable to afford a new one (that and I've been told am getting PS3 copy as a late christmas present WOOT! )

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 23 décembre 2010 - 12:19 .

[geekeffect]

Dear BioWare, now the big question is: will there be a Mass Effect 2 Ultimate Edition, for the PC and X360, featuring all the additional downloadable content plus the darkhorse comic intro... all in one package?

[Annoyed Dragon]

remote_control_me wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

It's only childish to those that are so selfish and self-centered about themselves that they took away what was supposed to compensate for a lack of ME1.

As a 360 Owner I don't approve of this outright lazy and one-up move that the whinners complained to Bioware about. Shame on you lazy lot. You've had years to enjoy ME1 and you still demand for a Comic, that has 'many' missing choices from ME1, just because you weren't supposed to get it.

Lazy is what all of you that supported this becoming non-exclusive are.

Like the Comic was ruining 'your' ME Experience in any way. Hell, you could youtube this on the first day and know everything about this.

I'm ashamed to call those who support this as fellow 360/PC Users.

I don't know about you but I believe on taking the high ground and I hate to see our name tarnished by lazy and extremely greedy "Mine-Mine!" Whinners!

well sir, i personally believe you are blowing this out of proportion. i can see why you would think people are lazy for wanting the comic DLC, especially since we (xbox and pc users) have the supior version. but you also have to realize that there are other reasons they might want the DLC. suppose your copy of ME1 suddenly broke....i doubt the DLC would seem like a bad idea to you. You dont have to like it, but dont P*ss in everyone elses cheerios just because your unhappy
that is al

I agree!

I really don't understand these people, that are complaining about this DLC it is really usefull for PC/XBOX players who want to get straight into ME2 with a new character but still make the big choices in ME 

If they want a more complex go they can just play through ME and transfer it to ME2 though unfortunately PS3 users don't have that option 

[Elite Midget]

These people? These People?! I smell smoke and when there's smoke there's a fire. I really hope that you aren't one of those crazy nuts that hate others because they're different because we have a name for your type which I wont say since your type knows what you are.

Funny I leave for the day and than those that cannot debate intelligently appear to try and downplay my valid points.

Why don't you all sell your PC/360 versions and get the PS3 Version than tel me you're cool with not getting ME1 and stuck with less choices while the spoiled whinners get to choose if they want to play ME1 for more choices/immersion or do a quick save editor that PC Gamers already have the surperior version of!

Funny how those that 'have' ME1 don't mind this injustice and welcome stealing a comic and than badmouth those that see this as wrong and favortism against PS3 Owners. Pathetic. A selfish, hypocritical, and greedy bunch isn't worth calling fellow Gamers.

And yes, PC/360 Owners too 'lazy' to play ME1, use an editor, or even download a save 'should' be punished if they refuse to play the previous games in the TRILOGY. Bioware isn't supposed to play this game for you but the Whinners demand that should be the case.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 23 décembre 2010 - 03:48 .

[didymos1120]

I am reminded of nothing so much as this:

[geekeffect]

Elite Midget, why u mad?

Ok, I respect what you say. Hey, I've replayed ME1 many times. But here's my question. Why shouldn't ANY Mass Effect 2 gamer be allowed to experience the game on its full scope. I mean, if you're being forced to play the canon story, then you're forced to a limited approach of the game. Because we all know there's more to it depending on your character's background.

I understand, you'll say this is meant to be a continuous story, so go play ME1 if you want to change your past. And most of us have done so. But hey, how about that female sentinel from the colonies variation (or whatever) that I would like to try out for ME2, and I just don't want to go through ME1 again because yeah I'm too freakin' lazy. Why do I have to go with the canon story... Why?...

Anyway, apparently, BioWare is saying you no longer have to, by making the interactive comic intro available to everyone.

The big question becomes: should something similar to this be made available to ME3. It would allow new ME3 gamers to explore different options from the start. But it could make ME1+2 feel less relevant. So, yeah, mixed feelings...

[Sammuthegreat]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

One would assume you get it in character creation for a new game, not NG+. However, I could be wrong.

There is one issue with that though in the the opening cut-scene is altered for an import playthrough depending on council choice. Miranda either mentions that humans achieved their place at the sacrifice of the original council or that humans achieved their place on the council. So unless the council choice isn't one of the decisions then surely the comic has to play out before the cut-scene?

Not to mention that Kaidan/Ashley/Liara can all be on the Normandy before the Collectors destroy it, depending on who you chose to save/screw. The choice will be before the opening cutscene, no doubt about it.

[Annoyed Dragon]

Elite Midget wrote...

These people? These People?! I smell smoke and when there's smoke there's a fire. I really hope that you aren't one of those crazy nuts that hate others because they're different because we have a name for your type which I wont say since your type knows what you are.

Funny I leave for the day and than those that cannot debate intelligently appear to try and downplay my valid points.

Why don't you all sell your PC/360 versions and get the PS3 Version than tel me you're cool with not getting ME1 and stuck with less choices while the spoiled whinners get to choose if they want to play ME1 for more choices/immersion or do a quick save editor that PC Gamers already have the surperior version of!

Funny how those that 'have' ME1 don't mind this injustice and welcome stealing a comic and than badmouth those that see this as wrong and favortism against PS3 Owners. Pathetic. A selfish, hypocritical, and greedy bunch isn't worth calling fellow Gamers.

And yes, PC/360 Owners too 'lazy' to play ME1, use an editor, or even download a save 'should' be punished if they refuse to play the previous games in the TRILOGY. Bioware isn't supposed to play this game for you but the Whinners demand that should be the case.

When I said "these people" I wasn't targeting a specfic group of people, I meant it to regard anyone that is complaing about this DLC, when if you don't like then don't use it, is simple enough

Also this view that using the comic introduction  is 'lazy' is not accurate, since they might want try the result of choice out before playing it properly through ME <_<

[Elite Midget]

We've already xperienced two games in the Trilogy in their full scope. A Comic doesn't change your experience other than less choices since everything in the comic happens in ME1.



Basically Bioware is saying that you don't need to buy or play their previous games. Instead you buy a Comic and be done with it. Hell, I can see a ME2 Comic to appease Whinners that refuse to play ME2 to get 'their' Shepard for ME3 despite them already having ME1 and ME2. When does the appeasing to Whinners stop when they'll just continue whinning and Bioware keeps caving to their tears?

[geekeffect]

EM, I'm thinking about the implications of what you're saying. Valid point. The original reason, the main justification for the comic book intro, was due to the fact that PS3 gamers can't play ME1. So it makes sense.

Once BioWare decides the comic intro is available to everyone else, they are breaking the rules regarding "saved games", which is at the core philosophy of the game.

And it's a Pandora's box. BioWare has now made a precedent that will probably be impossible to avoid in ME3. Everyone will expect and demand the comic intro or feel cheated otherwise, due to the expectations now created.

Meaning ME1+2 become less relevant in the long run. Which is quite a shame.

I make two conclusions. First, it is up to you (or anyone) to make the right choices as a gamer. You are free to minimize your experience, going straight to ME3 and using the intro, or maximize your experience being a devoted gamer of the series and play the previous games.

The second thing is BioWare should probably reward gamers with imported characters. I don't know how, but maybe by providing specific storyline content only available to gamers with imported saves. Content that would somehow feel rewarding and a recognition for our dedication to the series.

[Sammuthegreat]

Elite Midget wrote...

We've already xperienced two games in the Trilogy in their full scope. A Comic doesn't change your experience other than less choices since everything in the comic happens in ME1.

Basically Bioware is saying that you don't need to buy or play their previous games. Instead you buy a Comic and be done with it. Hell, I can see a ME2 Comic to appease Whinners that refuse to play ME2 to get 'their' Shepard for ME3 despite them already having ME1 and ME2. When does the appeasing to Whinners stop when they'll just continue whinning and Bioware keeps caving to their tears?

If people would rather play the comic than play through the entirety of ME1, then I suppose it is sort of lazy in a way. Completely understandable and mostly sensible, but still a bit lazy if you're a glass-half-empty kinda guy.

As for BioWare "caving" though... you've completely and utterly contradicted yourself there I'm afraid. How would it make any sense for BioWare to "cave" and create a FREE comic that removes the possibility of people buying their older games? It makes no commercial sense, and certainly doesn't look like BioWare "giving in" in any way to me. There's no way that BioWare - or, particularly, EA - would take the choice to remove thousands of potential sales just to appease some unhappy fans.

Frankly, BioWare are just doing something nice to their fans, and you really need to chill out about it. Literally no-one loses as a result of this comic. 360 and PC owners get a quick and easy way to get the benefit of a ME1 playthrough without the 15-hour slog (and that from someone who has beaten ME1 about 5 times now, and did so most recently about a week ago). PS3 owners still get the comic, and they don't lose anything because they were never getting ME1 in the first place.

Talk about arguing for the sake of argument...

[Sammuthegreat]

geekeffect wrote...
The second thing is BioWare should probably reward gamers with imported characters. I don't know how, but maybe by providing specific storyline content only available to gamers with imported saves. Content that would somehow feel rewarding and a recognition for our dedication to the series.

Nice idea, but it would never work in the long run. Before long people would just complain about the fact that they weren't able to access that bonus content - and they'd clamour for it to be made available to everyone, negating the point of it in the first place.

No, however you look at it, BioWare have done the right thing here. No-one is being forced to buy any extra games - no sequel should EVER force players to buy the prequel, as ME2 does not - and everyone still has the choice to do whatever they want.

[charmingcharlie]

geekeffect wrote...
Once BioWare decides the comic intro is available to everyone else, they are breaking the rules regarding "saved games", which is at the core philosophy of the game.

Originally the PC/360 version was going to give you the ability to tell ME 2 what decisions you made in ME 1.  At the beginning of the game there is a short shuttle ride and in that part you were going to be given the ability to tell the game what choices you made in Mass Effect 1. 

However for some reason (probably down to space and time constraints) it was watered down into just a few decisions.  All they are doing by giving the comic to PC/360 users is incorporating something they were going to have in there anyway but didn't have the time to get it done.

[Elite Midget]

They can't award imports because PS3 Gamers can't import. Thus importing isn't really important since we can expect yet another Comic of ME2 down the roasd containing the 'important' choices without any of the short cameo's that don't really change the game at all.



I call it as I see it. We have ME1 that can be beaten in less than a day. Hell, it can be beaten in a few short hours if you just do the big choices and that's it. Hell, you could do a NG+ with a level 60 Shepard plow through with all your choices without breaking a sweat. It isn't that hard yet Bioware caved to Whinners that believed that playing a game = Work and thus Bioware gave up and gave the Comic to those that have ME1.



By nice you mean appeasing the Whinners than I agree. That was 'nice' of them to promote such behaviour in their current fanbase who will demand more as time goes on. As for the losers? It's the PS3 Owners. Someone has to lose and it's them because they can't get ME1 and must share a comic while PC/360 owners have more choices and options on how to proceed.



A game that values importing and planned at the start as a Trilogy 'should' force you to get the previous games if you desire to get the full experience that the Trilogy was planned to give.

[Sammuthegreat]

Elite Midget wrote...

I call it as I see it. We have ME1 that can be beaten in less than a day. Hell, it can be beaten in a few short hours if you just do the big choices and that's it. Hell, you could do a NG+ with a level 60 Shepard plow through with all your choices without breaking a sweat. It isn't that hard yet Bioware caved to Whinners that believed that playing a game = Work and thus Bioware gave up and gave the Comic to those that have ME1.

I still don't see how there's any giving up involved. No company should force gamers to play through an earlier product. There's a difference between considering a game to be work and not wanting to play through 15 hours of a previous - in many ways inferior - game, just so you can start a new one. And your point about being able to blitz through the game with a level 60 Shepard is completely moot, considering you'd have to have played through the game a couple of times already to get to that stage, so it wouldn't affect the majority of people who will use the comic - people who haven't yet played ME1.

And in any case, what would be the point in rushing through the first game, only doing the major plot points, in a few hours, when you could just do the exact same thing with a 10-minute comic?

Elite Midget wrote...

By nice you mean appeasing the Whinners than I agree. That was 'nice' of them to promote such behaviour in their current fanbase who will demand more as time goes on. As for the losers? It's the PS3 Owners. Someone has to lose and it's them because they can't get ME1 and must share a comic while PC/360 owners have more choices and options on how to proceed.

Rubbish. BioWare don't have to treat gamers mean to keep them keen. They're not animals being trained. There's nothing wrong with gamers asking, expecting or even demanding more, and there's even less wrong with BioWare being willing to give them what they want.

Elite Midget wrote...

A game that values importing and planned at the start as a Trilogy 'should' force you to get the previous games if you desire to get the full experience that the Trilogy was planned to give.

The "full experience" is another moot point, given that only around 6 key choices actually have any real effects on Mass Effect 2 - and those are the choices we'll be able to make in the comic anyway.

Clearly our opinions differ on this subject - and in any case I wasn't expecting to change your opinion on the matter, you're clearly utterly convinced you're right - I simply wanted to have my own say. If someone plays ME2 and then decides they want to play ME1 as well, then all well and good. But they shouldn't have their hand forced.

This comic gives everyone more choice, INCLUDING PS3 owners who haven't lost out because none of them should have felt entitled to ME1 in the first place, as no-one has ever said that it will ever be released on PS3. You can't lose what you never had in the first place. Nothing you can say will convince me that an extra option - and remember, it is only an option, it doesn't preclude anyone from playing the original - is a bad thing.

Modifié par Sammuthegreat, 23 décembre 2010 - 06:15 .

[huntrrz]

geekeffect wrote...

The second thing is BioWare should probably reward gamers with imported characters. I don't know how, but maybe by providing specific storyline content only available to gamers with imported saves. Content that would somehow feel rewarding and a recognition for our dedication to the series.

I thought that several things in ME2 were just that - rewards for my playing ME1; not only the choices I made but the people I encountered.

I was pleasantly surprised more than once to run into characters I 'recognized'; because I'd played the first game seeing them again meant more to me than they would a player who didn't experience 'meeting' them before.  And I did one playthrough without importing a save to see what was different and was surprised that several of those encounters were completely missing - "Isn't this where I'm supposed to run into ...  Oh yeah, I "didn't do that" so they aren't here..."

(For instance, the emotional encounter with the embittered star map vendor would not have been half as effective if I hadn't realized I'd "met" both of her lost daughters.  It'll still be in the game for those who play from scratch, but it won't have the same 'kick'.)

[Sammuthegreat]

huntrrz wrote...

geekeffect wrote...

The second thing is BioWare should probably reward gamers with imported characters. I don't know how, but maybe by providing specific storyline content only available to gamers with imported saves. Content that would somehow feel rewarding and a recognition for our dedication to the series.

I thought that several things in ME2 were just that - rewards for my playing ME1; not only the choices I made but the people I encountered.

I was pleasantly surprised more than once to run into characters I 'recognized'; because I'd played the first game seeing them again meant more to me than they would a player who didn't experience 'meeting' them before.  And I did one playthrough without importing a save to see what was different and was surprised that several of those encounters were completely missing - "Isn't this where I'm supposed to run into ...  Oh yeah, I "didn't do that" so they aren't here..."

(For instance, the emotional encounter with the embittered star map vendor would not have been half as effective if I hadn't realized I'd "met" both of her lost daughters.  It'll still be in the game for those who play from scratch, but it won't have the same 'kick'.)

Agreed. The important point here is that people who want the added nostalgia/emotion of getting to know characters fully in ME1 and then bumping into them in ME2 will still go back and play ME1 through. However those who don't want that, now don't have to. Everybody wins.

[Elite Midget]

They can't award imports because PS3 Gamers can't import. Thus importing isn't really important since we can expect yet another Comic of ME2 down the roasd containing the 'important' choices without any of the short cameo's that don't really change the game at all.



I call it as I see it. We have ME1 that can be beaten in less than a day. Hell, it can be beaten in a few short hours if you just do the big choices and that's it. Hell, you could do a NG+ with a level 60 Shepard plow through with all your choices without breaking a sweat. It isn't that hard yet Bioware caved to Whinners that believed that playing a game = Work and thus Bioware gave up and gave the Comic to those that have ME1.



By nice you mean appeasing the Whinners than I agree. That was 'nice' of them to promote such behaviour in their current fanbase who will demand more as time goes on. As for the losers? It's the PS3 Owners. Someone has to lose and it's them because they can't get ME1 and must share a comic while PC/360 owners have more choices and options on how to proceed.



A game that values importing and planned at the start as a Trilogy 'should' force you to get the previous games if you desire to get the full experience that the Trilogy was planned to give.

[Da_Lion_Man]

Elite Midget wrote...
And yes, PC/360 Owners too 'lazy' to play ME1, use an editor, or even download a save 'should' be punished if they refuse to play the previous games in the TRILOGY. Bioware isn't supposed to play this game for you but the Whinners demand that should be the case.

What about the people that played ME1 to play ME2 and after having played ME2, can't go back to ME1 because the gameplay is superior?

What if they don't have all the time in the world? I don't want to spend another 15 hours just for manipulating a little part of the storyline. Does that make me "lazy"? Lol, I have other things to do than play games.

What about those with the 2 combined?

And the save editor for 360 is more trouble than it's worth.

I know it's unfair towards the PS3 gamers but nothing that can be done about it...

[Elite Midget]

If you don't have the time to blast through ME1 with a level 60 shepard, since you've had ME1 for years, than 'maybe' you don't have the time to play though ME2 either.

What's with everyone throwing the '15 hour' number? It seriously doesn't take 15 hours to beat ME1` especially if you just do things that mattered in ME2. I mean really, stop trying to make to task seem like it takes forever when it doesnt. Especially if you've already beaten ME1 before.

So yes, it makes them lazy.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 23 décembre 2010 - 06:53 .

[Da_Lion_Man]

Elite Midget wrote...

If you don't have the time to blast through ME1 with a level 60 shepard, since you've had ME1 for years, than 'maybe' you don't have the time to play though ME2 either.

What's with everyone throwing the '15 hour' number? It seriously doesn't take 15 hours to beat ME1` especially if you just do things that mattered in ME2. I mean really, stop trying to make to task seem like it takes forever when it doesnt. Especially if you've already beaten ME1 before.

So yes, it makes them lazy.

Sorry but no, I didn't have ME1 for years. I bought it 6 months ago, because I heard good things about ME2 and I wanted to try it out. Not before playing the first game though. I doubt I'm the only person with this situation. I also don't have a level 60 Shepard. Not everyone who has ME1 has played it multiple times.
And it does take 15 hours to finish the game, at least close it it. Unless you ignore the dialogue and skip it at a fast rate but I don't like to rush through my games even though I already completed them anyway.

And what you say still doesn't cover the people who think ME2's gameplay is vastly superior. Not to mention ME1 has some severe technical issues on 360 which can make it an unpleasant experience.