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[AlexXIV]

Mykel54 wrote...

I can´t help but think that all this ****** stuff has a lot more to do with political correctness than with actual plotline, and that unlike inter-race romances (female elf romance anyone?), homosexual romances are some kind of "must" these days.

Nope. There are RPGs out there without and the companies don't get sued for it.

Bioware decision to do it is far as I know their decision alone.

[Maferath]

slimgrin wrote...


I can't help but call bs. If they ran with your logic, this would be an exclusive game indeed. The whole world is playing their games, they don't need to reflect a cultural vacuum.

Nicely put.

[Maria Caliban]

Mykel54 wrote...

I can´t help but think that all this ****** stuff has a lot more to do with political correctness than with actual plotline, and that unlike inter-race romances (female elf romance anyone?), homosexual romances are some kind of "must" these days.

Because wanting to have an in-game relationship with an elf is akin to wanting a same-sex relationship.

[jesuno]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Collider, let's sing together...

o/` Ignore the troll falalalala he is narrow minded and entitled and silly. Lalalalala. He won't last long here with that attitude. la la la la la o/`

He has a debateble point, but starting with "those ****** things" isn't a way start intellegent conversation.

[UltraBoy360]

I'm totally thrilled. I love that the cool, strong, heroic Champion of Kirkwall can be a gay man and the world will recognise him as such. This is more important to me than whoever the s/s love interest is.



[Though if Anders is a returning companion and it is he I will be beyond over the moon. Just saying]



Very cool Bioware. Thanks.

[Mykel54]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...

I can´t help but think that all this ****** stuff has a lot more to do with political correctness than with actual plotline, and that unlike inter-race romances (female elf romance anyone?), homosexual romances are some kind of "must" these days.

Because wanting to have an in-game relationship with an elf is akin to wanting a same-sex relationship.

Actually it is, it´s just an option in a videogame. We are not talking about actual relationships, same sex or no, between anyone, because video game characters don´t exist. We are talking about the option of having a romance ingame of homosexual orientation, which i am not agaisnt per se, but i do think that the current trend of making it almost mandatory is just a reflection of our society. Even if you don´t believe it am not arguing agaisnt including them, i am saying that it is quite the hypocrisy to consider some things "must" (almost as if it was a right that every game with romance options must come also with homosexual options) while others are just branded as unnecessary or even geek (like romance with non-human characters).

I obviously say this because of the answer of Mr.Gaider towards the people that asked for a female elf romance, he said that he just didn´t want to write one (whatever his reasons). I wonder what homosexual people would call Mr.Gaider, if he now said: "you know what, i don´t feel like writing an homosexual character". I think he (and the game) would be branded as backward and other not so nice adjectives. There is clearly a double standard here in play.

I am not a native speaker, so maybe i came off as rude in my previous post. I apologise if i offended anyone with it, i had no intentions of debating about homosexuality, but i can see that it is still a sensible matter and people can get easily offended. I will try to be more careful in the future with my words.

[Allison W]

Mykel54 wrote...

I can´t help but think that all this ****** stuff has a lot more to do with political correctness than with actual plotline, and that unlike inter-race romances (female elf romance anyone?), homosexual romances are some kind of "must" these days.

You're impoverished indeed if you can't discern between political correctness and inclusiveness--DAO, for instance, wasn't politically correct by any stretch of the imagination.

So don't blame us homos for you not getting your elven lass.

Modifié par Allison W, 23 décembre 2010 - 10:52 .

[Dhiro]

Mykel54 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...

I can´t help but think that all this ****** stuff has a lot more to do with political correctness than with actual plotline, and that unlike inter-race romances (female elf romance anyone?), homosexual romances are some kind of "must" these days.

Because wanting to have an in-game relationship with an elf is akin to wanting a same-sex relationship.

I obviously say this because of the answer of Mr.Gaider towards the people that asked for a female elf romance, he said that he just didn´t want to write one (whatever his reasons). I wonder what homosexual people would call Mr.Gaider, if he now said: "you know what, i don´t feel like writing an homosexual character". I think he (and the game) would be branded as backward and other not so nice adjectives. There is clearly a double standard here in play.

Not really, if you ask me. Dinosaur David can write whatever he wants, really. Besides, you don't know if he is writing the S/S romances. Could be Kirby, the Nug Queen or even Sheryl, the Pantless One (in fact, she is). And yes, I think that romancing someone of the same sex is more relevant than romancing  a elf or a dwarf (even if they are in a s/s relationship), but I am quite biased.

[slimgrin]

Bioware does what they want to in regard to S/S romance. It was mainly absent in ME2, rather brazen in DA:O, and nicely done in ME1. ( don't even play the 'Liara was an alien' card ). They're clearly following their own priorities here.

[upsettingshorts]

Mykel54 wrote...
There is clearly a double standard here in play.

Not all double standards - providing this is even an example of one - are in error, or unreasonable.

Elves do not exist.  There are no people on Earth, okay maybe there are some, who simply cannot relate to any relationship that does not include an elf.

As a straight male who can't appreciate putting my protagonist into gay relationships because I can't relate to anyone in it, the result is I empathize with the position of gay players who advocate s/s options in games.   Why should I argue that they should accept what I refuse to accept?  The only way I could was if I believed I was better than they are.  And I don't.

That's why it's not the same as wanting an elf.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 23 décembre 2010 - 11:07 .

[Collider]

But think of the elfsexuals!

[AlexXIV]

Clearly every NPC in the game should be romancable by both genders. That would save us some discussions. Well no, probably not. Don't mind me.

[Ortaya Alevli]

You know, I sincerely hope every companion finds a partner to themselves in the group, goes back to their tent and go at it like rabbits in summer, nobody cares about Hawke's ugly-ass face and Hawke is left to their own...devices. Would be a welcome change. Nothing to complain about then. I mean, c'mon, how could one possibly complain about their own hand anyways.

[Kail Ashton]

So i'm the only one who remembered Isabella was a bisexual in DA:O? why exactly did bioware need to confirm same sex relationships exactly? it's kinda a given with common sens...oh right, that's lacking here

[upsettingshorts]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

You know, I sincerely hope every companion finds a partner to themselves in the group, goes back to their tent and go at it like rabbits in summer

I am reminded of the climax (heh, heh) of Spies Like Us.

[AlexXIV]

Kail Ashton wrote...

So i'm the only one who remembered Isabella was a bisexual in DA:O? why exactly did bioware need to confirm same sex relationships exactly? it's kinda a given with common sens...oh right, that's lacking here

She could have changed her mind you know, or have a bad year ... or decade.

[Inquisitor Recon]

It's a waste of development time, and I'm totally against it, but I'm going to buy the game anyway. Yep... Just don't have guys everywhere hitting on male Hawke and other immersion breaking nonsense.



But politically correct stuff like this isn't going to do a thing to appease those demanding this sort of thing. They're just going to move onto the next thing.

[Ziggeh]

ReconTeam wrote...

It's a waste of development time, and I'm totally against it, but I'm going to buy the game anyway. Yep... Just don't have guys everywhere hitting on male Hawke and other immersion breaking nonsense.

But politically correct stuff like this isn't going to do a thing to appease those demanding this sort of thing. They're just going to move onto the next thing.

Wow, now that's a potent little ball of bile and ignorance.

[Blessed Silence]

I'm glad they put it in for those who go that route.

And with anything, you don't like it? Don't do it. Plain and simple. No point complaining and moaning about it and some are going to do.

[Atakuma]

ReconTeam wrote...

It's a waste of development time, and I'm totally against it, but I'm going to buy the game anyway. Yep... Just don't have guys everywhere hitting on male Hawke and other immersion breaking nonsense.

But politically correct stuff like this isn't going to do a thing to appease those demanding this sort of thing. They're just going to move onto the next thing.

I understand, Gay people is scary!

[jesuno]

ReconTeam wrote...

It's a waste of development time, and I'm totally against it, but I'm going to buy the game anyway. Yep... Just don't have guys everywhere hitting on male Hawke and other immersion breaking nonsense.

But politically correct stuff like this isn't going to do a thing to appease those demanding this sort of thing. They're just going to move onto the next thing.

Immersion breaking? So you have never been hit on by a gay guy? They are out there, lerking in the shadows.

On a serious note, gay/lesbian gamers do exist. Given that this is not a linear story with a predefined protagonist, should they not have the rights as us straight gamers?

[Maria Caliban]

Mykel54 wrote...

I obviously say this because of the answer of Mr.Gaider towards the people that asked for a female elf romance, he said that he just didn´t want to write one (whatever his reasons). I wonder what homosexual people would call Mr.Gaider, if he now said: "you know what, i don´t feel like writing an homosexual character". I think he (and the game) would be branded as backward and other not so nice adjectives. There is clearly a double standard here in play.

As far as we know, David isn't writing a same-sex romance.

I agree, if Dragon Age 2 didn't have any same-sex romances, people who wanted them would complain. Many of us would suggest that BioWare 'chickened out.' I'm sure there would be comments about not wanting to scare Fox News and the idiot, homophobic XBox users. EA would be blamed for making BioWare a soulless corporation that is only interested in making a buck.

If David, Mary, Sheryl, and Lukus all hopped on and said that there was no same-sex romance for Dragon Age 2 because they didn't feel like any of the companions were gay or bisexual, or they didn't want to write a same-sex romance, they would be called liars at best.

Some members of the LGBT community act like miserable snots because LGBT people have the misfortune of being human.

Yes, I have a totally different standard when it comes to same-sex romances and elf romances. Because, you know, elves don't exist.

I presume that the people who ask for elf romances are perfectly able to form romantic relationships with human beings. I doubt they've ever been harassed or called named because of their attraction to elves. They don't live in a society that still won't let them marry their elf girlfriend nor have they had to dive buy funerals where people hold up signs that say 'God Hates Elf-Lovers!'

It's fine if you and anyone else want an elf romance. You'll probably get one in the form of Fenris. Please don't compare an attraction to elves to my sexual orientation, however.

Kail Ashton wrote...

So i'm the only one who remembered Isabella was a bisexual in DA:O? why exactly did bioware need to confirm same sex relationships exactly? it's kinda a given with common sens...oh right, that's lacking here

I assume most of the happiness is for a m/m confirmation. After all, ME 1 and ME 2 had f/f but no m/m.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 24 décembre 2010 - 02:51 .

[Selene Moonsong]

Mykel54 wrote...

I can´t help but think that all this ****** stuff has a lot more to do with political correctness than with actual plotline, and that unlike inter-race romances (female elf romance anyone?), homosexual romances are some kind of "must" these days.

Erm... BioWare has done inter-racial romances in the past with a variety of female elves... BG 2 with Viconia (Drow), Aerielle (Avariel), and Jaheira (Half-Elf), NWN 1 with Aribeth and Linu, HoTU with a Drow Assassin (can't remember her name at the moment), as well as Aribeth.

I suspect, as David Gaider has suggested, that the motive behind any decisions that BioWare makes for a romantic interest in the game  has more to do with what makes for an interesting love interest character is based on the story that they are telling in the game.

So, based on BioWare's past offerings, I consider your assertions to be quite off the mark.

As for the inclusion of s/s romantic interests, I am pleased with the decision. Would I have liked to see them do same sex Elf as Ortaya Alev suggests in thje post below this one? Yes, and it was done in DAO with a male elf. However, not in DA II since you are limited to playing a human (Hawk) male or female anyway, so why would it matter?

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 24 décembre 2010 - 02:54 .

[Ortaya Alevli]

How about a same sex elf romance?

Uh, wait...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

You know, I sincerely hope every companion finds a partner to themselves in the group, goes back to their tent and go at it like rabbits in summer

I am reminded of the climax (heh, heh) of Spies Like Us.

And I'm reminded of the "doctor, doctor, doc--" scene. Take pride in your cruelty, mister.