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Addai67 wrote...

I smell a troll.

There are lots of people who genuinely do believe just that.  I wouldn't be so sure.  But I wouldn't be shocked if it was a troll either.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

I think it is a waste of resources since I doubt a very large percentage of players go same sex on the romance option. Better to put the resources into more talents/specializations.

[Addai]

If I treat the post seriously, I would say that he or she might have a point if the game treated the issue- or any hot-button political or social issue- in a preachy or in-your-face way. I did not find that to be the case. The characters are well developed enough that Zevran's or Leliana's bisexuality is not "the" thing about them, it's just a part of their background, and you even have dialogue options to tell them you're not okay with it.  I would trust that the writers have treated it in the same fashion in DA2.  They're out to tell a story.

Modifié par Addai67, 25 décembre 2010 - 02:47 .

[Ziggeh]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

I think it is a waste of resources since I doubt a very large percentage of players go same sex on the romance option. Better to put the resources into more talents/specializations.

Pretty sure those few extra lines of text and voice over don't equate to much combat coding and a raft of QA.

Modifié par Ziggeh, 25 décembre 2010 - 02:49 .

[asaiasai]

I think the idea of S/S relationships in DA2 is a fantastic idea and a long time comming. As an individual who believes one must fan the flames of discontent always i appreciate the courage Bioware has shown to include this content in the game. Is this inclusion enough to get me to buy the game, no it is not. Is the most important reason to buy the game, no it is not. As an equal opportunity offender i feel people of all walks whether thier ideas are of the majority or a minority have a valid point, it is just that people forget that what they believe should in no way be relevant to anyone else but themselves. Be gay, straight, Christian, Muslim, or Jew as far as i am concerned it is ALL irrelevant, we are all hairless monkeys newely down from the trees, and a closed mind is a nod for the climb back into them, and one i do not want to ponder. You are entitled to believe what you want, what you are not entitled to do in force me to as well.

I do think that contrary to what some posters may feel that Bioware included this content to make a politcal statement, this is not the case. This content was added to broaden the immersion for all players but most important i think it was added because the writers felt this could have an impact on the player, and makes a better story. I appreciate the effort Bioware expends to breathe life into thier games, whether that be story choices, romance options, character customization, and the replies of the developers on these boards to keep the fans informed and immersed. I think this shows to the fans that while we/I do not always agree with the direction (My Morrigan position is known to many regulars here) that the story choices avalable to the players is considered, not always implemented but considered.

The inclusion of S/S romance options in a game as a "straight" male I hate ****ing terms like as if a word "straight" or "gay" can quantify anyone in a truthful manner. I think we as a species spend to much time worring about our differences as opposed to celebrating our similarities. We all love DAO as such are probably pineing away for March of 2011 or at least i am and regardless of the political quandry the inclusion of S/S romances may create. I support Bioware not because of political activism but because they make great games for the most part, that there is some political activism only adds a litle icing to the cake. All societies take time to adjust to grow both in numbers but hopefully in maturity, i look foward to a day when discussions like this are not necessary, but as the old guard dies off the world gets better with every passing. (Strom Thurman, Ronald Regan for example, the world is a better place for the the simple fact that they are no longer in breathing.)

Asai     

Modifié par asaiasai, 25 décembre 2010 - 02:50 .

[addiction21]

meh

[Ortaya Alevli]

I love this kind of threads where people come and gleefully spew their homophobic cattle dung.

I'm a straight man and homosexuality is totally alien to me, just as gay people find it hard to identify themselves with heterosexuality. Which doesn't change the fact that gay people contribute in the community the very same way we straight people do, work in the same honest jobs, earn and spend the same money printed in the same mili. Honestly, it shouldn't take a gay to realize that they have their tastes as well and that they would appreciate them being catered to. Yeah, if every single companion and relationship in Origins were homosexual, I'd feel totally uncomfortable, refuse to pursue any romance plot and maybe stop playing the game much earlier than I normally would, roleplaying be damned. And why wouldn't a lesbian feel the same way? It doesn't take extra sensitivity; all it takes is a little bit of empathy. So, excuse me, but I can't see any reason to come over and start talking crap about inclusion of same sex relationships in a game other than going by a subconscious or even completely intentional campaign aimed at "eradicating this particular form of perversion before it is too late and our children are all poisoned." If you think that way and don't want your children exposed to homosexual themes, simply avoid them. If you're feeling particularly zealous about it, however...well, good luck, and let me know if you make any progress, would you? I'll be here.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

I love this kind of threads where people come and gleefully spew their homophobic cattle dung.
I'm a straight man and homosexuality is totally alien to me, just as gay people find it hard to identify themselves with heterosexuality. Which doesn't change the fact that gay people contribute in the community the very same way we straight people do, work in the same honest jobs, earn and spend the same money printed in the same mili. Honestly, it shouldn't take a gay to realize that they have their tastes as well and that they would appreciate them being catered to. Yeah, if every single companion and relationship in Origins were homosexual, I'd feel totally uncomfortable, refuse to pursue any romance plot and maybe stop playing the game much earlier than I normally would, roleplaying be damned. And why wouldn't a lesbian feel the same way? It doesn't take extra sensitivity; all it takes is a little bit of empathy. So, excuse me, but I can't see any reason to come over and start talking crap about inclusion of same sex relationships in a game other than going by a subconscious or even completely intentional campaign aimed at "eradicating this particular form of perversion before it is too late and our children are all poisoned." If you think that way and don't want your children exposed to homosexual themes, simply avoid them. If you're feeling particularly zealous about it, however...well, good luck, and let me know if you make any progress, would you? I'll be here.

Agree.

[Zaku49]

Good to know bioware has the gonads to include them. Opponents may say "EWW but gay relationships are eeky and perverted!111". Gay relationships are no different then straight relationships. Today in society young teenagers from the ages of 12-16 that are "dating" are actually having sex on the third day of knowing each other like a bunch of chimps lol. What kind of relationship is that? It is stupid that fox news bashed mass effect for sex when as a society today we are all about sex. There are no virtues to argue about.

Evil butt pirate hawk for the win lolol.

[Thiefy]

i wish there was more hot guy on guy action.



yeah, i'm just a pervert female like that.

[AlarisT]

Addai67 wrote...

AlarisT wrote...
The problem with this logic, is you ignore the fact that by even leaving the option to actively pursue same gender romances, you are including this hotly debated issue into your game, which is played in homes (for the most part I'm assuming.)  Therefore, you will get backlash by including that option, like it or not.

Are you for real?  This game involves slaughtering dozens, if not hundreds of people.  You have the option of killing people in cold blood for the lulz.  You can kill a child.  And the availability of optional s/s romances is "the" hot button issue for you regarding BioWare games?  That's how you're going to decide whether or not your kids get to play it?

I smell a troll.

You and those w/ similar replies fell into what Admiral Ackbar likes to shout.  Let us preach open-mindedness and then shun christians for being inconsistent.  Obviously you don't hold the same values, so how can you judge something as deep as spiritual belief with simple logic?  That's easy to those who don't ascribe to believing in anything spiritual at all.

So let's open our arms to people who have no morals and then condemn those who draw the line somewhere, for anyone who draws a line can be easily called inconsistent no matter where they draw it be it near or far.  The trap is this -- my post already talked about how a decent parent should already prevent their kid from playing Dragon Age Origins.  It is rated M for good reason.  The only point I was making about homosexuality is that you cannot include even the option of same-gender romances w/o stirring the pot.  Look at this thread for instance lol. Violence in video games is already a serious enough issue for parents to be wary of without throwing sexual confusion into the mix.

[Addai]

Dude, you don't have a clue about anyone on this board. So you have no basis on which to pass judgment on whether or what our spiritual beliefs are. It's a game. If you don't like, it don't buy it.

Modifié par Addai67, 25 décembre 2010 - 05:23 .

[Schneidend]

@AlarisT: Bioware already stirred the pot with Mass Effect 1 (Liara) and Origins (Leliana/Zevra/Isabela/etc.). The pot's been stirred. I think concerns about whether or not to stir the pot are a little late at this point.

[Selene Moonsong]

Okay, we have veered way off topic, time for a lockdown...

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 25 décembre 2010 - 05:47 .