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[Lucy Glitter]

Collider wrote...

Ulous wrote...

It's fine as long as they don't tie Achievements up with it again.

Explain.

If you had sex with a character in Origins, it pops up with an achievement.

You don't get the achievement for gaining their love.

[Ulous]

Collider wrote...

Ulous wrote...

It's fine as long as they don't tie Achievements up with it again.

Explain.

As in DAO you could only get certain achievements by having S/S relationships.

[Shepard Lives]

Ulous wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ulous wrote...

It's fine as long as they don't tie Achievements up with it again.

Explain.

As in DAO you could only get certain achievements by having S/S relationships.

MUST HAVE GAMERPOINTS

[Collider]

Ulous wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ulous wrote...

It's fine as long as they don't tie Achievements up with it again.

Explain.

As in DAO you could only get certain achievements by having S/S relationships.

That's wrong.
You can romance Zevran as female warden and Leliana as male warden and get the same achievements.
Unless this is  something unique to the PC version, which I doubt.

Modifié par Collider, 22 décembre 2010 - 02:15 .

[LiquidGrape]

Ulous wrote...

As in DAO you could only get certain achievements by having S/S relationships.

Oh, the suffering! Oh, the humanity!

[Xilizhra]

Ulous wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ulous wrote...

It's fine as long as they don't tie Achievements up with it again.

Explain.

As in DAO you could only get certain achievements by having S/S relationships.

...there are two heterosexual and two bisexual characters. You never have to sully yourself with anything homosexual.

I'll also point out the remarkably small number of gay players who complain about having to get achievements by going through straight romances. Anyway, I'm pleased but not surprised, considering the precedent set by DAO.

[Matchy Pointy]

Collider wrote...

Ulous wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ulous wrote...

It's fine as long as they don't tie Achievements up with it again.

Explain.

As in DAO you could only get certain achievements by having S/S relationships.

That's wrong.
You can romance Zevran as female warden and Leliana as male warden and get the same achievements.
Unless this is  something unique to the PC version, which I doubt.

I'm all for an achievemnt that is tied to it though, all the more fun .

[Jarcander]

It's just proper. <insert applause gif here>

Also, gamescore junkies can turn off the monitor and the sound for the cutscene if they feel their virgin eyes can't take two sweating naked men. Please leave your man card at the door if you have something against lesbian scenes.

Modifié par Jarcander, 22 décembre 2010 - 02:22 .

[HolyJellyfish]

I was under the impression that Gaider's comments on s/s was that

a) fanbase shouldn't hound

the game is more than just romantic options

c) game companies are partly responsible for keeping an open, inviting environment for all gender & orientation

d) that game stats did not suggest that sales were majorly affected by the inclusion. and

e) more people were doing s/s then what was originally assumed.



Other than that, I am tremendously happy DA2 is taking an aggressive marketing strategy while still breaking down walls of discrimination all over the place, intention or not.

[Amyntas]

Let's see what players are willing to do for their achievements ;-)

[Ulous]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'll also point out the remarkably small number of gay players who complain about having to get achievements by going through straight romances. Anyway, I'm pleased but not surprised, considering the precedent set by DAO.

Yes but it is all part of a bigger issue for me, I don't really wan't to play as a female char either, the whole thing could be made better simply by getting the achievement for high standings with each character and/or completing their personal quest.

[Collider]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I was under the impression that Gaider's comments on s/s was that
a) fanbase shouldn't hound
the game is more than just romantic options
c) game companies are partly responsible for keeping an open, inviting environment for all gender & orientation
d) that game stats did not suggest that sales were majorly affected by the inclusion. and
e) more people were doing s/s then what was originally assumed.

The bold was what I was referring to.
The italic seems to just be plain wrong. I don't remember Gaider ever saying that it was Bioware's job to do that.
The underlined seems to be somewhat opposite of what Gaider said. Gaider said that those using S/S content are a minority and that that fact factors into the game development process.

[Xilizhra]

Ulous wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'll also point out the remarkably small number of gay players who complain about having to get achievements by going through straight romances. Anyway, I'm pleased but not surprised, considering the precedent set by DAO.

Yes but it is all part of a bigger issue for me, I don't really wan't to play as a female char either, the whole thing could be made better simply by getting the achievement for high standings with each character and/or completing their personal quest.

In principle, I agree with you, but this implies you don't want to see any male love interests at all.

[upsettingshorts]

Achievements of that sort are meant to encourage you - at least I think - to step outside your comfort zone.

Personally, I ignore the ones that just don't intrigue me. "Because it's there" isn't really enough motivation for me to acquire a badge.

Collider wrote...

The underlined seems to be somewhat opposite of what Gaider said. Gaider said that those using S/S content are a minority and that that fact factors into the game development process.

He said that while it was a minority, it was a larger minority than people might expect.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 décembre 2010 - 02:22 .

[Collider]

Achievements of that sort are meant to encourage you - at least I think - to step outside your comfort zone.

Which is exactly why it's hard to sympathize with "But I don't want to play a female character!"

There are so achievements that have you do random or wacky things that one probably wouldn't enjoy doing anyway aside from the fact that it yields an achievement.

[Leonia]

I never felt like I *had* to get the achievements, nor that I had to play a sexual orientation that I wasn't comfortable with for certain characters to get them. It might have just taken more playthroughs if you were playing all straight-characters but it's not like you get anything really special for unlocking achievements anyway.

[HolyJellyfish]

Collider wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I was under the impression that Gaider's comments on s/s was that
a) fanbase shouldn't hound
the game is more than just romantic options
c) game companies are partly responsible for keeping an open, inviting environment for all gender & orientation
d) that game stats did not suggest that sales were majorly affected by the inclusion. and
e) more people were doing s/s then what was originally assumed.

The bold was what I was referring to.
The italic seems to just be plain wrong. I don't remember Gaider ever saying that it was Bioware's job to do that.
The underlined seems to be somewhat opposite of what Gaider said. Gaider said that those using S/S content are a minority and that that fact factors into the game development process.

Looking at the post right now.

Gaider -
No, games aren't a platform for social change, but that doesn't mean we
are also absent of responsibility when we include content in our games
where such issues can arise.

Insofar as the male-male romance content goes specifically, there's no
evidence to suggest it affected sales in the slightest. In fact, our own
telemetry shows that the content was used by more players than most
people would assume (you can draw your own conclusions from that).




I disagree with fanbase not being able to hound. If people aren't happy, they have a right to talk about it.

[Ulous]

Xilizhra wrote...

In principle, I agree with you, but this implies you don't want to see any male love interests at all.

No not at all, I would just rather not have an achievement tied to it, it is not just males either, if i'm honest i would have sooner not bothered to romance Leliana if it were not for the achievement tied to it.

[HolyJellyfish]

Achievements are like a high five.



The game is giving you a high five.

[Collider]

Gaider -

No, games aren't a platform for social change, but that doesn't mean we

are also absent of responsibility when we include content in our games

where such issues can arise.

Not quite the same, but I can see why that may have given off that impression.



I do think that sometimes people ask too much from Bioware. But I also think that they should have a right to ask.

[Collider]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Achievements are like a high five.

The game is giving you a high five.

This.
Achievements are just achievements.

If people do have a problem with the idea, then Bioware can just do like ME2 achievements and have a single achievement for romances in generalm, I suppose.

[Sinmara]

very good news to confirm this.

[HolyJellyfish]

Collider wrote...

Gaider -
No, games aren't a platform for social change, but that doesn't mean we
are also absent of responsibility when we include content in our games
where such issues can arise.

Not quite the same, but I can see why that may have given off that impression.

I do think that sometimes people ask too much from Bioware. But I also think that they should have a right to ask.

I'm rereading it again, and he didn't say people had no right to ask. He was saying that he felt people were overblowing romantic interests when those interests support the game and aren't central to the game, to the point of angry camps arguing with one another -- where you had s/s proponents and straight proponents, one wanting representation and the other saying same sex would ruin the atmosphere of their game.

But for the most part, the post itself was very pro same sex, reminding a lot of dissenters that those features were predominately optional and wouldn't effect their game if they so chose to ignore those elements, and they shouldn't hide their prejudices with the words 'But that is just my opinion'.


However, taking what he said then and applying it to now that s/s appears available for all parties and camps, it certainly gives his dialogue a very different perspective.

[Collider]

Most specifically, I was talking about the post Gaider made where he expressed his hope that people would be able to appreciate the game and the effort Bioware put into it even if it didn't have same sex romances in it. That was what specifically made me a little surprised when it was confirmed that there would be S/S romances.

[Ulous]

Collider wrote...

There are so achievements that have you do random or wacky things that one probably wouldn't enjoy doing anyway aside from the fact that it yields an achievement.

Yes that is true, but most the things you do can fit in with a roleplay scenario for your chosen character, for example being good, bad or ugly. It can be hard to roleplay being the opposite sex and/or being gay when it is only aknowledged as such when you have sex. I think it could be kind of cool if you could maybe come across some small minded homophobes and give them a good kicking and/or [Persuade] them to change their way of thinking in the future for example.

I just think if they are going to include S/S romances it should be a bit more involved rather than just some fumble in the bushes, especially if achievements are tied to it.

Modifié par Ulous, 22 décembre 2010 - 02:39 .