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[In Exile]

I like S/S romances because I can't RP a straight female, but I find RPing a female character in general fun, and it gives me a chance to experience a romance plot from a POV I can partially understand.

Glad they're confirmed.

Modifié par In Exile, 22 décembre 2010 - 08:15 .

[Maria Caliban]

Addai67 wrote...

Not an interest of mine so I don't care, though I would be irritated if they chose to make all the LIs have a s/s option. I realize some people want that and occasionally the idea is put forward in the forum but to me it goes to characterization. Some people are just straight. If the 4 or 5 game LIs are all bisexual, that would seem odd.

I've occasionally suggested the all bisexual love interests. However, if they decided to do away with bisexually and make all the female love interests gay, I wouldn't object.

[Tootles FTW]

Yay, now I have incentive to play MaleHawke at least once. Not surprised by the reveal, though.

[wildannie]

ejoslin wrote...

What is this wrote...

I could care less as long as i don't have to deal with zevran again

I have to admit I am CONSTANTLY surprised how many people are so fixated on Zevran that they bring him into every thread that deals with male love interests.  In a negative way.  Zevran certainly threatens people on many levels.  

It's a shame,  I also find it weird how people are so bothered about inclusion of things such as the S/S romance.  I'm all for as much variety and choices to suit EVERYONE that they can successfully accommodate.  

Also, if some achievements are attached to things a player does not want to do - it's hardly a tragedy.  If someone wants them *that* much it shouldn't be a problem.

I've still to get the 'insanity' achievement for ME2 - it's not going to happen as I can't be bothered to even try it...  

[Zahe]

Personally I'm rather indifferent about it, but happy for the people that have been pushing this.



I can't understand how some people are upset over this, if you don't like it then don't do it. Simple as.

[ejoslin]

wildannie wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

What is this wrote...

I could care less as long as i don't have to deal with zevran again

I have to admit I am CONSTANTLY surprised how many people are so fixated on Zevran that they bring him into every thread that deals with male love interests.  In a negative way.  Zevran certainly threatens people on many levels.  

It's a shame,  I also find it weird how people are so bothered about inclusion of things such as the S/S romance.  I'm all for as much variety and choices to suit EVERYONE that they can successfully accommodate.  

Also, if some achievements are attached to things a player does not want to do - it's hardly a tragedy.  If someone wants them *that* much it shouldn't be a problem.

I've still to get the 'insanity' achievement for ME2 - it's not going to happen as I can't be bothered to even try it...  

Exactly!  If someone doesn't want to do the SS romance, they just... shouldn't do it.  It surprises me that there are people who think, if they don't like a romance, it should not be in the game for anyone.  

[Addai]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Not an interest of mine so I don't care, though I would be irritated if they chose to make all the LIs have a s/s option. I realize some people want that and occasionally the idea is put forward in the forum but to me it goes to characterization. Some people are just straight. If the 4 or 5 game LIs are all bisexual, that would seem odd.

I've occasionally suggested the all bisexual love interests. However, if they decided to do away with bisexually and make all the female love interests gay, I wouldn't object.

And then we could have a thread celebrating/ demanding/ lamenting inclusion of opposite sex LIs, I guess.

[errant_knight]

People are upset about it? Why? No one is making them play the romance. I'm not particularly interested, myself, but I'm glad that the option is there for those that want it. What's wrong with being inclusive?

[Sigil_Beguiler123]

What be a interesting experiment I think would be to have no official sexual orientation for some characters. That their orientation changes dependent on what sex your character is. There have to be some changes in dialogue but I think for the most part it wouldn't take that much effort the character themselves would still be the same.

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

What is this wrote...

I could care less as long as i don't have to deal with zevran again

I have to admit I am CONSTANTLY surprised how many people are so fixated on Zevran that they bring him into every thread that deals with male love interests.  In a negative way.  Zevran certainly threatens people on many levels.  

Some people get offended by flirtation, even if they can "turn it off" so to speak.  I thought BW did this very tastefully and carefully, but everyone has their buttons.  The only time it bothered me was with Isabela, but that was because her calling my Warden "sweet thing" just made me want to slap her.

Maybe it's because IRL people often know the other person's predilections before hitting on them?  Whereas in the game it usually involved a flirtation first, as though the PC was projecting vibes.  Add to that ninja romance and it can be disconcerting I guess.  I dunno, I'm wading onto thin ice and should probably shut up.

Oh, and I see lots of "people who are bothered by this should...", but no one's saying they're bothered by it?  Are these hypothetical complainers??

Modifié par Addai67, 22 décembre 2010 - 08:38 .

[Zjarcal]

errant_knight wrote...

People are upset about it? Why? No one is making them play the romance. I'm not particularly interested, myself, but I'm glad that the option is there for those that want it. What's wrong with being inclusive?

This.

Just as I don't touch the hetero romances, those who don't want the S/S romances can just ignore them. What's good is that everyone is being included here, no one is being left out in the cold.

As for the "all bisexual LIs", I admit that I would secretly want that (Morrigan... ), but I do agree with Addai's stance that some people are just straight.

So as long as we have straight LIs and bisexual LIs (and perhaps some flat out gay LIs... why not?), it's all good.

Addai67 wrote...
Oh, and I see lots of "people who are bothered by this should...", but no one's saying they're bothered by it?  Are these hypothetical complainers??

Oh, there are plenty of those. There's even a group called "Fight for the Heterosexuality"...

Modifié par Zjarcal, 22 décembre 2010 - 08:40 .

[Addai]

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

What be a interesting experiment I think would be to have no official sexual orientation for some characters. That their orientation changes dependent on what sex your character is. There have to be some changes in dialogue but I think for the most part it wouldn't take that much effort the character themselves would still be the same.

That would mean the character has no independent personality.

[adneate]

Addai67 wrote...
Oh, and I see lots of "people who are bothered by this should...", but no one's saying they're bothered by it?  Are these hypothetical complainers??

There are many bigots and homophobes on the BSN who actively belittle and insult people who want same sex romances of any kind. The Mass Effect boards has the most of them since the developers of that game have thus far denied there are any same sex romances in the game dispite all the women FemShep can get with. I'm sure there are people right now that are pissed off that gay people can now have something once again in Dragon Age.

[David Gaider]

Collider wrote...

I think that's a bit unfair to David. He doesn't enjoy tormenting us. He wants us to have a realistic view of the situation.

Heh, David himself says that he likes to see fan tears. Is he joking? Maybe. Was I joking? Maybe.

Maria is correct. It was not my intention to torture anyone regarding this topic-- just advise those involved to have a realistic view of what goes into the decision, and why the Mass Effect team might have gone a different way. Having people stridently proclaim that they have the "right" to a romance of their preference just doesn't sit well with me, though naturally I get people wanting such things-- and, happily, occasionally have the chance to provide.

adneate wrote...
There are many bigots and homophobes on the
BSN who actively belittle and insult people who want same sex romances
of any kind. The Mass Effect boards has the most of them since the
developers of that game have thus far denied there are any same sex
romances in the game dispite all the women FemShep can get with. I'm
sure there are people right now that are pissed off that gay people can
now have something once again in Dragon Age.

So long as romances of any kind are optional and need to be actively pursued by the player in order to be experienced, they simply don't have a leg to stand on. Advocating that nobody should be able to have content you don't intend to personally use is largely pointless-- outside of a vague notion that such efforts should go towards other things, instead. Personally, it's not a lot of effort to include them. The resources we can devote to a minority of players isn't great, but I imagine to those players it's quite worth it... and I would hope that some folks could be sensitive enough to be happy for those players, at the very least out of the selfish notion that they may one day end up in the minority of some content issue and receive the same consideration if nothing else.

Modifié par David Gaider, 22 décembre 2010 - 08:52 .

[dam0dred]

Fantastic news, thanks Bioware.

[Wissenschaft]

They had same sex rommances in DA:O. Why is it surprising they are in DA2?

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

What is this wrote...

I could care less as long as i don't have to deal with zevran again

I have to admit I am CONSTANTLY surprised how many people are so fixated on Zevran that they bring him into every thread that deals with male love interests.  In a negative way.  Zevran certainly threatens people on many levels.  

Some people get offended by flirtation, even if they can "turn it off" so to speak.  I thought BW did this very tastefully and carefully, but everyone has their buttons.  The only time it bothered me was with Isabela, but that was because her calling my Warden "sweet thing" just made me want to slap her.

Maybe it's because IRL people often know the other person's predilections before hitting on them?  Whereas in the game it usually involved a flirtation first, as though the PC was projecting vibes.  Add to that ninja romance and it can be disconcerting I guess.  I dunno, I'm wading onto thin ice and should probably shut up.

Oh, and I see lots of "people who are bothered by this should...", but no one's saying they're bothered by it?  Are these hypothetical complainers??

At least one person in this thread was quite vocal about being bothered by it.  

I personally am just tired of any time a male love interest begins to be discussed, that there's a group of people who start complaining about Zevran.

I get why someone is uncomfortable by being hit on by someone they're not attracted to -- I am uncomfortable when it happens IRL, but it's easy to say, "I'm not interested."  Maybe women have to deal with this more than men do so it's not quite as uncomfortable?  You don't see nearly the complaints about Alistair's not-so-obvious romance starter lines.

[Dave of Canada]

Wissenschaft wrote...

They had same sex rommances in DA:O. Why is it surprising they are in DA2?

Something being in the first doesn't entitle it to be in the sequel.

[adneate]

ejoslin wrote...
You don't see nearly the complaints about Alistair's not-so-obvious romance starter lines.

I could start to complain about them to bring the numbers up.

[shadowpiranha]

I'm very happy about this. Like many people here said, it's a matter of being inclusive, and everyone has the right to see themselves in their characters, sexuality included.



As for the naysayers, nobody is against you being straight, and nobody is forcing you to take the same-sex option. Please don't ruin it for everybody else.

[Zjarcal]

adneate wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
You don't see nearly the complaints about Alistair's not-so-obvious romance starter lines.

I could start to complain about them to bring the numbers up.

Add to me to that campaign! 

Though honestly they didn't bother me since it was easy to turn him down. But for the sake of arguing...

[Altima Darkspells]

Wissenschaft wrote...

They had same sex rommances in DA:O. Why is it surprising they are in DA2?

Off the top of my head, I'm going to say ME2.

[Addai]

adneate wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Oh, and I see lots of "people who are bothered by this should...", but no one's saying they're bothered by it?  Are these hypothetical complainers??

There are many bigots and homophobes on the BSN who actively belittle and insult people who want same sex romances of any kind. The Mass Effect boards has the most of them since the developers of that game have thus far denied there are any same sex romances in the game dispite all the women FemShep can get with. I'm sure there are people right now that are pissed off that gay people can now have something once again in Dragon Age.

Ok, thankfully I don't encounter these much other than the occasional troll, but I only hang out regularly at the DA campaign forum.  And uh, that's weird about the ME thing.    But I perused the Garrus romance thread and saw people talking about various fetishes, so I decided my enjoyment of the game was tenuous enough that staying away from the ME boards was a good idea.  Ditto for the Fenris thread here.  Because... yeah.

[ejoslin]

Zjarcal wrote...

adneate wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
You don't see nearly the complaints about Alistair's not-so-obvious romance starter lines.

I could start to complain about them to bring the numbers up.

Add to me to that campaign! 

Though honestly they didn't bother me since it was easy to turn him down. But for the sake of arguing...

That was my point.  I guess I've told guys enough, "I'm sorry, I'm flattered but not interested," that doing it in a video game is not a bad thing.  Maybe guys just don't have to do that as much so are more sensitive to it?  Seriously, most women have to deal with strange guys yelling things at them out of car windows -- being told in a respectful way that someone finds you attractive, even if the feeling is not returned, is just not a huge deal.

The fact that both male love interests in DAO, once told you're not interested in them, drop it, makes them better than many of the men I've actually met IRL. 

Edit: so yes, I'm glad that they're including more content.  That's more stories and points of view for me to see, which is always a good thing  And since there's a flirt icon, those misunderstandings won't happen.  well, apparently you can end up in bed unexpectedly, but at least you knew you were flirting 

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 décembre 2010 - 09:15 .