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[Missouri Tigers]

Honestly, I want to see what happens with the Reapers and the rest of the galaxy.  I want to fight to defend the galaxy.  I really hope the teaser trailer represents a very tiny part of the game, hopefully just the tutorial mission or something.  There's nothing worse than a sci-fi game or movie that comes up with some really stupid reason for Earth to be the main focus of an enemy's attack. 

[kidbd15]

They set up Earth as being important from the get-go, thinking otherwise I suppose is just wishful thinking. Protheans ruins on Mars monitoring humans, vision of man with weird orb, a human destroying a Reaper, humans being most genetically diverse, etc, all equal importance of humanity, and the most important place for humanity and the most population of humanity is Earth.

I too would like to see most of the game taking places in other parts of the galaxy, but I don't mind seeing Earth either, because I have been expecting it since game 1, and got myself to look forward to it.

[TheNexus]

The trailer is, like, a minute long. We know nothing about what's happening across the galaxy. We don't even know if Earth is the focus of the enemy attack.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Personally I'm not that interested in Earth either. It seems like the reapers are making a poor decision due to their arrogance and view of Shepard. Hopefully most of the game doesn't take place on Earth. If need be I'll sacrifice the planet rather than playing into the reaper's hands.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 22 décembre 2010 - 10:19 .

[My Password is Banana]

it's not just Earth, there are ALOT of Reapers you know. I'm sure some go to the Turian Homeworld, Asari Homeworld, even Tuchanka, as well as other various planets of interest.

[008Zulu]

Yeah forget Earth, if the Reapers are dumb enough to throw their collective might against one planet (you dont win wars through piecemeal actions, you use overwhelming force to ensure a quick victory) then let them, we will simply surround them, fence them in, and kill them. Let their first conquest be their last, the planet will still be there, buldings can be rebuilt.

[DaVanguard]

humans are the one threat to the reapers they killed one after all, and their goal isnt just to kill them all they will harvest humans to make them into a reaper.

Council on the other had it dismissed so.. it wont be an issue

another thing terminus systems are united

Modifié par DaVanguard, 22 décembre 2010 - 10:56 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Let their first conquest be their last, the planet will still be there, buldings can be rebuilt.

However, replacing 6000 million casualties might be a bit more tricky.

In any case, ME3 is marketed to humans. Presumably someone thought that players would care more about pictures of Earth burning than Palaven - not that we've ever seen the latter, so you'd also need exposition (you only have one minute) to tell the viewer that Palaven is an important location.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 22 décembre 2010 - 11:08 .

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Missouri Tigers wrote...

Honestly, I want to see what happens with the Reapers and the rest of the galaxy.  I want to fight to defend the galaxy.  I really hope the teaser trailer represents a very tiny part of the game, hopefully just the tutorial mission or something.  There's nothing worse than a sci-fi game or movie that comes up with some really stupid reason for Earth to be the main focus of an enemy's attack. 

I guess I'm with you here. I've said it a couple of times in different threads but repeating it won't hurt I believe: there's nothing wrong with Reapers attacking Earth as long as we are presented with a good in-game reason for it; still, making saving Earth a main focus of ME3 instead of saving the whole Galaxy would be a waste of potential.

I'm calming myself down telling we've seen only one teaser so far, and it had been made to look appealing to broader audience (which doesn't care/know about Citadel/Palaven/Thessia/etc); and the teaser is called 'Earth' so I'm hoping more teasers devoted to other planets are to follow.

As for your initial question - my Shepard does care about Earth - roleplaying, immersion, all that - still, if presented with a 'blow Earth with the Reapers vs. save Earth sacrificing some other planets & Citadel' choice Earth might end blown up. Depends on the situation.

As for me as a player, I don't care much. We've seen the Citadel and Omega, and Illium; I've already fallen in love with these places. So seeing Earth in ruins won't probably be very emotional 'cos I've never seen it in all its glory and I've never fallen in love with a location.

At this point I don't want jump to conclusions though 'cos all we've got is a Blur one-minute teaser (and Blur teasers don't usually correspond with the actual game that much) and a description of the game that may be a subject to change. I hope it is.

Modifié par Big stupid jellyfish, 22 décembre 2010 - 11:12 .

[Nashiktal]

Earth is important. With the earth destroyed, also goes the main government for all earth colonies, as well with the majority of human population.



Without earth, humans will be at a severe disadvantage after the war with the reapers.

[Knickerus]

I really hope that Earth isn't the main point of the game. It wouldn't be a big problem if Earth was the primary objective, but I hope the game doesn't spend most of the play time there. I'm going to assume that you'll have to build up your team (again) by flying around to different planets and such.

After that you'll travel to Earth for the big epic final battle sequence.

[praetor_alpha]

It's because humans are so dam special!



I really hope there's no team building. Just get up and go darn it!

[Tyrant Wrex]

This criticism that Earth has no place being a central locus of ME3's narrative has never been convincing to me; it always seems implicitly predicated on some bizarre notion that humanity is irrelevant in the ME universe.

-The Reapers are machines: their functional cognition is systematic. Humans = first organic race ever to consistently thwart Reaper ambitions. Earth = human homeworld. Therefore, Earth must be obliterated immediately, its a straightforward logical progression.

-Regardless, there is nothing in that trailer which suggests Earth will be the exclusive setting of the game, all it says is that it will be a setting in the game.

-Finally, this is a sci-fi opus with a human protagonist set in a galaxy where Earth not only exists, but its exponent Systems Alliance is increasingly wielding more and more influence.Its the final act of a trilogy where thus far Earth has not been visited, it would seem bizarre if it wasn't incorporated into the story in some capacity.

Modifié par Tyrant Wrex, 23 décembre 2010 - 01:35 .

[Count Viceroy]

I figure humanity doesn't have a strong enough presence in the universe without earth and if it's lost it'll be more or less over for us. Most of the population would be gone gone, most of the production as well. Some colonies here and there, but we'd be taking a huge step backwards as a civilization, in a best case scenario.

I figure that'll be one of the decisions. Sacrifice the human race to save organic life as a whole. Think about that one for a minute.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 23 décembre 2010 - 01:45 .

[Sashimi_taco]

I kind of regret saying I wanted earth as a place to see in ME3, because now its all in ruins. I wanted to see earth in all it's glory, and only as a side mission. Instead bioware took that and shoved it back in my face laughing.

[earthbornFemShep]

I agree that I want to save the entire universe, but Earth is a symbol of humanity. It is important to defend it. Though, I doubt it is important enough to build the whole game around saving one planet. I doubt they will do this. I'm not worried. :-)



I agree with Sashimi, I am a bit sad that we have to see it this way... but at least we get to see it.

[praetor_alpha]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

I kind of regret saying I wanted earth as a place to see in ME3, because now its all in ruins. I wanted to see earth in all it's glory, and only as a side mission. Instead bioware took that and shoved it back in my face laughing.

I had a lurking feeling that we would see Earth in ME3... going to hell in a handbasket.

[dill72]

I would like it if you had to make a choice to save Earth and risk lives or destroy it and along with it that part of the reaper fleet

Modifié par dill72, 23 décembre 2010 - 02:26 .

[Tyrant Wrex]

AwesomeName wrote...

Tyrant Wrex wrote...

This criticism that Earth has no place being a central locus of ME3's narrative has never been convincing to me; it always seems implicitly predicated on some bizarre notion that humanity is irrelevant in the ME universe.

-The Reapers are machines: their functional cognition is systematic. Humans = first organic race ever to consistently thwart Reaper ambitions. Earth = human homeworld. Therefore, Earth must be obliterated immediately, its a straightforward logical progression.

-Regardless, there is nothing in that trailer which suggests Earth will be the exclusive setting of the game, all it says is that it will be a setting in the game.

-Finally, this is a sci-fi opus with a human protagonist set in a galaxy where Earth not only exists, but its exponent Systems Alliance is increasingly wielding more and more influence.Its the final act of a trilogy where thus far Earth has not been visited, it would seem bizarre if it wasn't incorporated into the story in some capacity.

I'm going to be lazy and just copy and paste what I said in the trailer thread:

"I don't think this is fair really - a lot of us ARE happy to be seeing Earth - and most of us understand why the Reapers would attack: to make their (latest?) reaper and/or to stop humanity from saving the galaxy. 

That's not what most of those people I assume you're referring to are worried about.  Based on the game description, the entire game is focussed on saving Earth.  Not the galaxy.  Earth.  The first game built up the premise for the whole game - in the same way Lost established in its first episode that they had to get off the island and have an ending, ME1 established that they had to stop the Reapers from wiping out all galactic civilisation.  That's primarily what's at stake.  The whole story is about Shepard trying to stop the Reapers from doing that.  That is Shepard's raison d'etre.  It's not just about stopping them from building another reaper.

Now I know many people will argue that stopping them at Earth will mean saving the galaxy - but the problem many folk have with that is that the game will feel like we're saving Earth first, and that saving the galaxy will feel epilogueal (+100000pts for inventing new word).  I'm fine if this is just one possible playthrough of the game that's available for the renegade pro-cerberus players.  For the paragon spectres though, I think the primary, not secondary, focus should be saving the galaxy, not Earth, and that the final battle should be somewhere else, because symbolically I think this would not conflict with the original premise. AGAIN, glad as hell that Earth is apart of it, and I completely agree that it makes it more personal - but I really hope, at LEAST for the paragon pro-galaxy players, that Earth is just an initial chapter in the game, and that saving the galaxy is the primary focus, as it was in the first game."

Fair points, well formulated. Just a couple of observations:

-Its interesting that you chose Lost as the referential frame for your analogy there: seeing as how the initial setup of the pilot -getting off the Island- was NOT the ultimate endgame of the series. That's an entirely different discussion and is completely irrelevant in any case, but just thought I'd point that out to testify to the fact that the climax of a coherent narrative does not necessarily rest on the immediate conceit established in the opening act.

-Regardless of all that, I'm still utterly vexed by this objection to the primacy of Earth's presence in the narrative of the series on the most fundamental grounds. As I understand, your side is making three principal claims: a. that ME has always been about "saving the galaxy", b. that "saving the galaxy" is a mutually-exclusve endeavor distinct from saving the Earth, and c. that Earth's importance has just suddenly arbitrarily been imbibed into the story for the final act.

-But I just don't see the logical connection between these premises. First, if the Reapers are making their final assault on Earth (and again, why SHOULDN"T they? Humanity is manifestly their greatest threat, and they've already failed to infiltrate the Citadel), saving the galaxy and saving Earth are categorically correlative. That is, if saving the galaxy means stopping the Reapers, and the Reapers first major campaign is against the Earth, then the galaxy can only be saved by saving the Earth, very straightforward.

-Finally, I have to take objection straight-out to this idea that Earth really has no place being the ultimate end of the series. The opening scene of ME1 had human diplomats overlooking the Earth discussing how a human soldier could save the galaxy, followed by a textual prologue detailing humanity's discovery of the mass relay technology and its subsequent emergence as a galactic superpower. The ME trilogy has always fundamentally been a story of humanity: Shepard and TIM exemplifying the best and the worst respectively of what the species can offer (I play a full-on renegade and I still thing TIM's role as an antagonist is nearly unambiguous, but that's another discussion). Bioware has always said the ME trilogy is Shepard's story, and thus, it is humanity's story. That isn't to say the entire franchise in the futre will be centered around humanity, but for the final act of this trilogy, I think Earth is a wholly appropriate setting for the climactic last hurrah, both on narrative and symbolic merit.

Modifié par Tyrant Wrex, 23 décembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[TrimmerTen]

I think that it will take sort of a dragon age origins turn, going to rally the other races to help you take earth back, fighting reapers alongside all the races along the way, if you think about all the ways it could be done and still have alot of focus on earth, you will realise there are like a thousand epic ways this could go, im looking forward to it 100%

[adam_grif]

I don't know about other people, but if ME3 is just about Saving Earth, specifically, that will rub me the wrong way. Making humans "special" was where ME2 started going wrong. In the first game it was implied that the council was bending over backwards for humanity, because they were competing with the (much hated) Batarians, and strengthening humans weakened that enemy while allowing a new friendly regional power to emerge. That is to say, humans rapidly becoming powerful members of the interstellar community was not because they were super special, it was because powerful factions were backing them and wanted to see them succeed. There was a brief mention of human doctrinal flexibility comapred to the Turians and something about the innovative Fighter Carrier (pretty stupid idea in and of itself), but nothing too offensive, the kind of thing you could just brush off as human nationalism playing up it's strengths. Then in ME2 we got outrageous human-******, oh humans are just so genetically diverse, oh humans have such potential, yadda yadda yadda. The plot was about how humans are the only species good enough for the Reapers to make their new ships, because something something.

I suppose it's possible that Earth being the focal point of the Reaper's initial invasion could be justified without resorting to further stroking of the human ego, but I kind of doubt it after the second game.

Modifié par adam_grif, 23 décembre 2010 - 03:30 .

[DaVanguard]

^human were special since ME:revelations so...