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[sympathy4saren]

I don't feel like creating something sophisticated in response. But I agree with you. Earth sucks. I live on Earth. I will die on Earth. If the main focus is Earth, as indicated in the game description, I will be sad.



If I had it my way, Earth would be destroyed in the first 10 minutes....all humanity harvested (but not dead). This would not only shift the premise back to stopping a perpetual cycle of eradication, but refocus on how it has been happening to the entire galaxy through those cycles as well.

[KainrycKarr]

Earth is important, but again, I'm more interested in the rest of the galaxy. I've seen "Earth burning" in dozens of different sci-fi's, yes it's all very bad and all, and I do hope at some point we come home to kick the Reapers out of our front porch, but I think the vast majority of the game needs to be about the unification of the rest of the galaxy.

[008Zulu]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Let their first conquest be their last, the planet will still be there, buldings can be rebuilt.

However, replacing 6000 million casualties might be a bit more tricky.

In any case, ME3 is marketed to humans. Presumably someone thought that players would care more about pictures of Earth burning than Palaven - not that we've ever seen the latter, so you'd also need exposition (you only have one minute) to tell the viewer that Palaven is an important location.

The trailer said only a few million, not half the entire population was killed.

When a nigh unkillable fleet attacks your homeworld casualties are to be expected, if the trailer is to believed, then the primary goal shouldn't be to save people, but to ensure that the attacking species doesn't pose a continued threat.

[sympathy4saren]

The Reapers would annihilate Earth in days. All population dead, harvested or Indoctrinated.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

In ME2 we knew about the Collector's plan to attack Earth, them going after Earth in ME3 seems like a natural progression.

[Dreamion]

I care.

Earth ftw, the rest of the galaxy can suck it.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Also, what Dreamion said... even though the rest of the galaxy doesn't have to suck anything

[CroGamer002]

If some random planet was attacked then most player wouldn't care.

I didn't cared much about Citadel in ME1 ether.

[The Unfallen]

Earth will most likely be the focus of the first two thirds of the game, the last third will probably be something completely unexpected and unforeseen, like the main Reaper invasion for instance. There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of Reapers, in the trailer it was implied there are maybe around 100 to 300 attacking Earth. Earth will not be the last, it will be the first. Think people.

[cutthecameras]

Honestly, now that I've seen the trailer and thought of the possibilities I've decided to put my faith in Bioware and assume that ME3 will be an amazing game. Given that part 1 was great and part 2 was more focused and arguably better...I think they got this.

But before the trailer I always brought up Earth as a joke. Because it's like the ultimate sci-fi cliche, scenes of Earth destroyed by an unknown enemy! And it's been done to death in games!

The Standard Sci-Fi Trilogy:
Part 1 - hostile life  is discovered on a remote corner of the galaxy.
Part 2 expands upon the universe established in part 1
and in Part 3 the crisis comes to Earth!

I'm more than a little tired of it. It's always underwhelming and frankly I'm only interested in the Earth Mass Effect 3 can portray because I have to believe they'll do it differently than gears of war or halo or resistance. I don't feel at all connected to Earth in those games but I do feel a tiny bit connected to the Alliance and the humans in Mass Effect. Now if they could somehow expand on that tiny little feeling I get with other humans and make Earth feel even more important...as...it's being destroyed....Then yeah, I think I might care about Earth.

[DirtyVagrant]

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

Earth will most likely be the focus of the first two thirds of the game, the last third will probably be something completely unexpected and unforeseen, like the main Reaper invasion for instance. There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of Reapers, in the trailer it was implied there are maybe around 100 to 300 attacking Earth. Earth will not be the last, it will be the first. Think people.

I think it will be the opposite, actually. Bioware wants to retain the space exploration the series has had so having majority of the game situated on Earth won't do that. I don't entirely agree with your implication about the number of Reapers attacking Earth is speculation, it could be a few Reapers decimating Earth's defenses or indeed hundreds. Just like anything I say about the game is pure speculation!
Saving Earth sounds like the primary objective and like the prior games, completing the objective is the finale (i.e Stopping Saren, Stopping the Collectors). So you'd go around the galaxy, bolster defenses against the invasion to probably curry more favor with other races and speed off with your allies to Earth to stop an impeding Reaper attack/advance. Of course, with the trailer, it begs the question, how can Earth hold out that longer while Shepard gets help? Gives your scenario credence.

[The Unfallen]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

Earth will most likely be the focus of the first two thirds of the game, the last third will probably be something completely unexpected and unforeseen, like the main Reaper invasion for instance. There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of Reapers, in the trailer it was implied there are maybe around 100 to 300 attacking Earth. Earth will not be the last, it will be the first. Think people.

I think it will be the opposite, actually. Bioware wants to retain the space exploration the series has had so having majority of the game situated on Earth won't do that. I don't entirely agree with your implication about the number of Reapers attacking Earth is speculation, it could be a few Reapers decimating Earth's defenses or indeed hundreds. Just like anything I say about the game is pure speculation!
Saving Earth sounds like the primary objective and like the prior games, completing the objective is the finale (i.e Stopping Saren, Stopping the Collectors). So you'd go around the galaxy, bolster defenses against the invasion to probably curry more favor with other races and speed off with your allies to Earth to stop an impeding Reaper attack/advance. Of course, with the trailer, it begs the question, how can Earth hold out that longer while Shepard gets help? Gives your scenario credence.

Do you honestly think the Reapers are just going to attack Earth? No, Sovereign clearly states that they have the numbers to "Darken the sky of every world." which leads me to believe there are trillions, possibly more. Think of this, there are 200 billion stars in the Galaxy, most of which have planets, if the Reapers have those kind of numbers, unless we can get some WTF BOOM super weapon we are screwed. Saving Earth is obviously the frontal "face" objective of the game, the Reaper threat will come to become much greater than that of the threat of one planet, but hundreds...thousands...hundreds of thousands. It will not end with saving Earth, we all know BioWare better than that. 

They are merely starting with Earth.

[DirtyVagrant]

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

Do you honestly think the Reapers are just going to attack Earth? No, Sovereign clearly states that they have the numbers to "Darken the sky of every world." which leads me to believe there are trillions, possibly more. Think of this, there are 200 billion stars in the Galaxy, most of which have planets, if the Reapers have those kind of numbers, unless we can get some WTF BOOM super weapon we are screwed. Saving Earth is obviously the frontal "face" objective of the game, the Reaper threat will come to become much greater than that of the threat of one planet, but hundreds...thousands...hundreds of thousands. It will not end with saving Earth, we all know BioWare better than that. 

They are merely starting with Earth.

Given the official plot summary of "[...]As Commander Shepard, an Alliance Marine, your only hope for saving
mankind is to rally the civilizations of the galaxy and launch one final
mission to take back the Earth". There is a paritcular... finalty in that last part like taking back Earth is the end game. I can't see Shepard rallying other civilizations of the galaxy if he's stuck on Earth fighting the Reapers for majority of the game.

[Jedi1]

He could have meant in succession.

EDITE: ARRRG, to late.

Modifié par Jedi1, 23 décembre 2010 - 09:40 .

[CroGamer002]

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

Do you honestly think the Reapers are just going to attack Earth? No, Sovereign clearly states that they have the numbers to "Darken the sky of every world." which leads me to believe there are trillions, possibly more. Think of this, there are 200 billion stars in the Galaxy, most of which have planets, if the Reapers have those kind of numbers, unless we can get some WTF BOOM super weapon we are screwed. Saving Earth is obviously the frontal "face" objective of the game, the Reaper threat will come to become much greater than that of the threat of one planet, but hundreds...thousands...hundreds of thousands. It will not end with saving Earth, we all know BioWare better than that. 

They are merely starting with Earth.

You seriously think he was literal when he said "Our numbers will darken the sky"?
Seriously after that he said there is legion of them so there not much then 1000 of them.

[The Unfallen]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

Do you honestly think the Reapers are just going to attack Earth? No, Sovereign clearly states that they have the numbers to "Darken the sky of every world." which leads me to believe there are trillions, possibly more. Think of this, there are 200 billion stars in the Galaxy, most of which have planets, if the Reapers have those kind of numbers, unless we can get some WTF BOOM super weapon we are screwed. Saving Earth is obviously the frontal "face" objective of the game, the Reaper threat will come to become much greater than that of the threat of one planet, but hundreds...thousands...hundreds of thousands. It will not end with saving Earth, we all know BioWare better than that. 

They are merely starting with Earth.

Given the official plot summary of "[...]As Commander Shepard, an Alliance Marine, your only hope for saving
mankind is to rally the civilizations of the galaxy and launch one final
mission to take back the Earth". There is a paritcular... finalty in that last part like taking back Earth is the end game. I can't see Shepard rallying other civilizations of the galaxy if he's stuck on Earth fighting the Reapers for majority of the game.

So you think it is going to be that easy? Save Earth and the Reapers invasion is over. No, I don't think so. He is not going to be stuck on Earth most of the game, that is silly, Mass Effect is about the Galaxy. You honestly think Shepard could stop the invasion without rallying the various civilizations of the Galaxy? What are you smoking and can I have some? THINK.

[Jedi1]

Mesina2 wrote...

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

Do you honestly think the Reapers are just going to attack Earth? No, Sovereign clearly states that they have the numbers to "Darken the sky of every world." which leads me to believe there are trillions, possibly more. Think of this, there are 200 billion stars in the Galaxy, most of which have planets, if the Reapers have those kind of numbers, unless we can get some WTF BOOM super weapon we are screwed. Saving Earth is obviously the frontal "face" objective of the game, the Reaper threat will come to become much greater than that of the threat of one planet, but hundreds...thousands...hundreds of thousands. It will not end with saving Earth, we all know BioWare better than that. 

They are merely starting with Earth.

You seriously think he was literal when he said "Our numbers will darken the sky"?
Seriously after that he said there is legion of them so there not much then 1000 of them.

I wouldn't take any thing that Sovereign says to literaly. To me he came across has an over confidant wanka just asking for a good thrashing.

[The Unfallen]

-Claps hands-

I'm out. You guys stand by what you said, I'll stand by what I said. Why you insist on perpetuating that the entirety of the game and Reaper invasion is going to take place on one single planet is beyond me, but it is sheer idiocy, and this cesspool of stupidity I will take no part in. Therefore, I am out.

If this is the case, and you guys are right, ME 3 is going in the trash, and BioWare is going to be getting a lot of hatespam from me and a lot of other people. 

Modifié par That Yellow Bastard, 23 décembre 2010 - 10:35 .

[FlintlockJazz]

adam_grif wrote...

I don't know about other people, but if ME3 is just about Saving Earth, specifically, that will rub me the wrong way. Making humans "special" was where ME2 started going wrong. In the first game it was implied that the council was bending over backwards for humanity, because they were competing with the (much hated) Batarians, and strengthening humans weakened that enemy while allowing a new friendly regional power to emerge. That is to say, humans rapidly becoming powerful members of the interstellar community was not because they were super special, it was because powerful factions were backing them and wanted to see them succeed. There was a brief mention of human doctrinal flexibility comapred to the Turians and something about the innovative Fighter Carrier (pretty stupid idea in and of itself), but nothing too offensive, the kind of thing you could just brush off as human nationalism playing up it's strengths. Then in ME2 we got outrageous human-******, oh humans are just so genetically diverse, oh humans have such potential, yadda yadda yadda. The plot was about how humans are the only species good enough for the Reapers to make their new ships, because something something.

I suppose it's possible that Earth being the focal point of the Reaper's initial invasion could be justified without resorting to further stroking of the human ego, but I kind of doubt it after the second game.

While I am not too fussed with it being set on Earth I do agree with the "Oh humans are so speshul and awesome" sentiment, it's actually kinda rascist ("Oh you're a Turian?  Tough luck you don't mean anything...").  The first game tried to simultaneously make it out that humans were the underdogs and were 'speshul', but that just undermines both premises in my book. 

I mean, let me put it this way: it means more when you don't have anything special about you and yet you still manage to come out on top.  When you have super powers and lasers coming out of your balls people kinda expect you to win, but when you have nothing but determination and a bit of luck then it stands out more.  Sorta like when the ugly guy gets the gorgeous girl, you wouldn't think twice about it if he had been good looking too.

Chess with a Dragon did it well I think, humanity isn't special and gets itself into debt because it gets conned by the other races, but manages to get ahead by playing the races trying to screw them over against each other (and by being used by yet other races to screw over the races trying to screw over humanity) instead of resorting to 'humanity's awesomeness'.  Then again, any book that starts off with a race that looks like praying mantises playing cards to determine who gets to breed and who gets eaten by the other players has to be good.

[Gibb_Shepard]

adam_grif wrote...

I don't know about other people, but if ME3 is just about Saving Earth, specifically, that will rub me the wrong way. Making humans "special" was where ME2 started going wrong. In the first game it was implied that the council was bending over backwards for humanity, because they were competing with the (much hated) Batarians, and strengthening humans weakened that enemy while allowing a new friendly regional power to emerge. That is to say, humans rapidly becoming powerful members of the interstellar community was not because they were super special, it was because powerful factions were backing them and wanted to see them succeed. There was a brief mention of human doctrinal flexibility comapred to the Turians and something about the innovative Fighter Carrier (pretty stupid idea in and of itself), but nothing too offensive, the kind of thing you could just brush off as human nationalism playing up it's strengths. Then in ME2 we got outrageous human-******, oh humans are just so genetically diverse, oh humans have such potential, yadda yadda yadda. The plot was about how humans are the only species good enough for the Reapers to make their new ships, because something something.

I suppose it's possible that Earth being the focal point of the Reaper's initial invasion could be justified without resorting to further stroking of the human ego, but I kind of doubt it after the second game.

I completely agree with you about ME2, but WHAT!?

The entirety of ME1 was about how humans are being SUPPRESSED by the council races. The whole game is about proving that humanity can get **** done. The council races hated humanity, they didn't wanna see them succeed at all. I think you severely misinterpreted ME1.

[FlintlockJazz]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I completely agree with you about ME2, but WHAT!?

The entirety of ME1 was about how humans are being SUPPRESSED by the council races. The whole game is about proving that humanity can get **** done. The council races hated humanity, they didn't wanna see them succeed at all. I think you severely misinterpreted ME1.

Really?  It appeared to me that the humans were the current favourite pets of the council, earning the ire of the other races that had been working hard for centuries to get where they were now while humanity was seemingly being given everything by the council. 

[Gibb_Shepard]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I completely agree with you about ME2, but WHAT!?

The entirety of ME1 was about how humans are being SUPPRESSED by the council races. The whole game is about proving that humanity can get **** done. The council races hated humanity, they didn't wanna see them succeed at all. I think you severely misinterpreted ME1.

Really?  It appeared to me that the humans were the current favourite pets of the council, earning the ire of the other races that had been working hard for centuries to get where they were now while humanity was seemingly being given everything by the council. 

That's only because they were bullying their way to superiority. I thought it was completely obvious that humanity was disliked by the aliens, and the only reason they were getting somewhere was because of their intimidating nature. Hell, significant pieces of dialogue surround the fact that humanity is being suppressed by the council.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 23 décembre 2010 - 11:13 .

[upsettingshorts]

I got the impression that aliens resented humanity for demanding what they had been waiting patiently for, especially since that aggressive strategy seemed to be working.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 23 décembre 2010 - 11:22 .

[Alarieliia]

Same here. It was stated in ME1 that the Humans got more privileges than other races sooner. The Volus and Elcor didnt have nearly the bonuses that the Humans got and, in the ME1 timeline, it's only been 26 yrs since the first contact war.

The other races resented them because Humans were all 'gimme gimme'.

Edit: The Council races liked Humans and thought they had the most potential. So they gave Humans more perks.

Modifié par Alarieliia, 23 décembre 2010 - 11:32 .

[FlintlockJazz]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

That's only because they were bullying their way to superiority. I thought it was completely obvious that humanity was disliked by the aliens, and the only reason they were getting somewhere was because of their intimidating nature. Hell, significant pieces of dialogue surround the fact that humanity is being suppressed by the council.

Alot of humans think they are being suppressed by the council, and they are to a degree, but no moreso than other races who don't have a seat on the council.  The volus and the elcor don't even get their own embassy office, having to share their office, leading to the volus ambassador being resentful to the humans who got their own big office next door. 

The council bullies the 'lesser' races because it believes it has the right to do so in order to maintain galactic harmony.  Humanity were the current favourites of the council because they were so determined and persistant, and most accepted that it was only a matter of time before they got a seat on the council, which caused ire amongst the Citadel races that didn't have seats on the council.