Nah. All too often trying to do 1st person and 3rd person results in mediocre versions of both. Better to have 3rd person but have it perfected. Oh and leave Halo (which is good on different merits) out of this, stop comparing oranges to apples or whatever.
First Person in ME3
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#177
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Posté 24 décembre 2010 - 08:06
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if me3 has first person i will be so f..king pist off
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Posté 24 décembre 2010 - 08:13
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Crouch or lack there off comes into play at a premium when there is little cover to manage your squad from and largely depends on how you position your squad, cover, and your position on each battlefield. (since fights are dynamic and fluid in nature.)
A smaller presentation of yourself on these battlefields give you arguable advantages for not getting shot when there is little cover to take advantage of. How it was done in ME 1 was ideal, you hit rush you popped up and it allow you to run if cover (if you missed cover you dropped back down into crouch and your shots were always more accurate with it, just like it would be if your avatar was real.) To say it wasn't there. . or argue it's a FPS mechanic. . tells me ya been playing alot of midevil era games where it may or may not be needed.
(Course I must admit there is probably very few here that has actually done some precision shooting or had to make combat marksmanship scores IRL.) Or if you chose to tactically 'pull' the AI into a ambush you could do so with out that pause it takes to get into or out of 'cover'. It's a way to further managing how big of a target you are.
Maybe this is a sign of the times, but I cringe every time my avatar gets killed out there. Sometimes I suspect folks just don't care at all and just rush there way though no matter how many deaths, no matter how much story, no matter how much is put in or left out, just to see or get to the ending. To me this is sad, since after my first play-though I went back though multiple times to fish out each line that was spoken in each of the ME games. Someone posted some statistics out there proving this point from Bioware's own studies. Dose this apply to everyone, no. . . It's just a since I get from time to time.
Then again I and I hate to be negative, but most of you may not understand how to set up ambushes and manage firing lines from a squad leader's or company commander's point of view. And your play-style may or may not accommodate your squad mates. Still rather you agree or not, and no matter what your point of view when it comes to public safety or military . . . You still use baseline tactics that's been established for centries, long before computers were even a blip in anyone's mind.
Also if the development team took every negative argument that was posted on any board we wouldn't have a game at all. And I'm not arguing for the 1st person perspective either.
Adding in crouch is a simple animation, given the skeleton animation methods used in modern game development. (Games these days are built using emulators for the most part and tweeking is done by programmers, grafic artists, animators (yes yes devs I know I left out a few positions depending on how you have your studio set up.) along the way. It's not like back in the day when you had to type out every line of code for how a character looked, how they acted, each and every mechanic involved, and the storyline.)
And rather you realize it or not but the cover mechanic in ME 2 is partly broken, for example if you turn around to shoot something behind you. . . Everytime you squeeze that trigger you suddenly start to take shots from anything that's shooting at you, dispite rather you stood up or not or actually broke cover.
*puzzles* I must be a bit punchy tonight from a lack of sleep or something. . . or I just decided to poke a stick at a few.
Then again I may be taking a few snips from those who stand on the opposite position on some of these game mechanics. . . Naw I'm just being paranoid. .
A smaller presentation of yourself on these battlefields give you arguable advantages for not getting shot when there is little cover to take advantage of. How it was done in ME 1 was ideal, you hit rush you popped up and it allow you to run if cover (if you missed cover you dropped back down into crouch and your shots were always more accurate with it, just like it would be if your avatar was real.) To say it wasn't there. . or argue it's a FPS mechanic. . tells me ya been playing alot of midevil era games where it may or may not be needed.
(Course I must admit there is probably very few here that has actually done some precision shooting or had to make combat marksmanship scores IRL.) Or if you chose to tactically 'pull' the AI into a ambush you could do so with out that pause it takes to get into or out of 'cover'. It's a way to further managing how big of a target you are.
Maybe this is a sign of the times, but I cringe every time my avatar gets killed out there. Sometimes I suspect folks just don't care at all and just rush there way though no matter how many deaths, no matter how much story, no matter how much is put in or left out, just to see or get to the ending. To me this is sad, since after my first play-though I went back though multiple times to fish out each line that was spoken in each of the ME games. Someone posted some statistics out there proving this point from Bioware's own studies. Dose this apply to everyone, no. . . It's just a since I get from time to time.
Then again I and I hate to be negative, but most of you may not understand how to set up ambushes and manage firing lines from a squad leader's or company commander's point of view. And your play-style may or may not accommodate your squad mates. Still rather you agree or not, and no matter what your point of view when it comes to public safety or military . . . You still use baseline tactics that's been established for centries, long before computers were even a blip in anyone's mind.
Also if the development team took every negative argument that was posted on any board we wouldn't have a game at all. And I'm not arguing for the 1st person perspective either.
Adding in crouch is a simple animation, given the skeleton animation methods used in modern game development. (Games these days are built using emulators for the most part and tweeking is done by programmers, grafic artists, animators (yes yes devs I know I left out a few positions depending on how you have your studio set up.) along the way. It's not like back in the day when you had to type out every line of code for how a character looked, how they acted, each and every mechanic involved, and the storyline.)
And rather you realize it or not but the cover mechanic in ME 2 is partly broken, for example if you turn around to shoot something behind you. . . Everytime you squeeze that trigger you suddenly start to take shots from anything that's shooting at you, dispite rather you stood up or not or actually broke cover.
*puzzles* I must be a bit punchy tonight from a lack of sleep or something. . . or I just decided to poke a stick at a few.
Then again I may be taking a few snips from those who stand on the opposite position on some of these game mechanics. . . Naw I'm just being paranoid. .
#179
Posté 24 décembre 2010 - 07:43
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If it has first person I will be mad, too
#180
Posté 24 décembre 2010 - 07:45
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Well that would suck. It's the sort of thing EA might do though to expand the customer base.
#181
Posté 24 décembre 2010 - 07:56
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This isn't a rip, but a legitimate gaming concern:
As an RPG fan, I'm tired of making submissions to other genres. They have their games...which I do not like or I would buy them...and I want to have mine. It's like they want us to co-exist.
You cannot force that though. I'm tired of it. Thank goodness Assassin's Creed hasn't.
As an RPG fan, I'm tired of making submissions to other genres. They have their games...which I do not like or I would buy them...and I want to have mine. It's like they want us to co-exist.
You cannot force that though. I'm tired of it. Thank goodness Assassin's Creed hasn't.
#182
Posté 24 décembre 2010 - 08:23
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I think it should stay in the 3rd person person perspective, it's always worked fine so why change it?
#183
Posté 24 décembre 2010 - 08:43
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Why would people be pissed over a game having an option they won't even have to use? That, I do not understand.
And why are people talking about Halo? Is it because Mass Effect has guns? Fallout 3 has guns, Fallout 3 is an RPG with a first and third person viewpoint. No one is trying to compare Fallout to a first person shooter.
And why are people talking about Halo? Is it because Mass Effect has guns? Fallout 3 has guns, Fallout 3 is an RPG with a first and third person viewpoint. No one is trying to compare Fallout to a first person shooter.
#184
Posté 24 décembre 2010 - 09:35
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When you have the option to play in first or third person viewpoints the game generally doesn't play as well as if the developers had chosen a viewpoint and built the game around it. Look at Oblivion and Fallout 3 as examples, sure you can play either in both perspectives, but they don't play as well as a game that is developed around one perspective.ItsFreakinJesus wrote...
Why would people be pissed over a game having an option they won't even have to use? That, I do not understand.
And why are people talking about Halo? Is it because Mass Effect has guns? Fallout 3 has guns, Fallout 3 is an RPG with a first and third person viewpoint. No one is trying to compare Fallout to a first person shooter.
#185
Posté 24 décembre 2010 - 09:47
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Additionally, time spent on first person can be directly used to make worlds more open, more dialogue options, and more storyline.
#186
Posté 24 décembre 2010 - 09:52
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If BioWare can make a 3rd/1st person toggle work well, then more power to them. There is nothing inherently wrong with 1st person in RPGs.
You know what RPG that the 1st person perspective worked in? Not Oblivion/Morrowind, not Fallout 3/NV.
Deus Ex.
Don't say that the 1st person perspective inherently makes the game bad. If you don't like it, that's what a toggle is for. In a game that features SHOOTING, it's generally easier to aim in the 1st person perspective. Adding first person as an OPTION is not the end of the world.
For those of you who are worried about the cover system and its functionality in 1st person, there is a game that has jumped that hurdle as well. There once was a game called Rainbow Six Vegas, 2 of them in fact. It featured a near perfect (IMHO) transition from 1st person shooting to 3rd person shooting from cover. Who is to say that BioWare can't pull that off?
For those worried that BioWare won't be able to juggle it all, you may be right. We can't figure that out right now. Personally, I hope they pull out all the stops for Mass Effect 3. If they can keep their great storytelling intact and do a good job of adding a first person option, then more power to them.
You know what RPG that the 1st person perspective worked in? Not Oblivion/Morrowind, not Fallout 3/NV.
Deus Ex.
Don't say that the 1st person perspective inherently makes the game bad. If you don't like it, that's what a toggle is for. In a game that features SHOOTING, it's generally easier to aim in the 1st person perspective. Adding first person as an OPTION is not the end of the world.
For those of you who are worried about the cover system and its functionality in 1st person, there is a game that has jumped that hurdle as well. There once was a game called Rainbow Six Vegas, 2 of them in fact. It featured a near perfect (IMHO) transition from 1st person shooting to 3rd person shooting from cover. Who is to say that BioWare can't pull that off?
For those worried that BioWare won't be able to juggle it all, you may be right. We can't figure that out right now. Personally, I hope they pull out all the stops for Mass Effect 3. If they can keep their great storytelling intact and do a good job of adding a first person option, then more power to them.
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#187
Posté 24 décembre 2010 - 10:31
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Deus Ex is Deus Ex, not Mass Effect.
Another example of another option available to players.
Another example of another option available to players.
#188
Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 02:31
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Oh, I agree completely that the first person perspective can work perfectly fine in an RPG, in fact there is nothing wrong with it if the game is developed as a first person title. It's when a game is developed with both perspectives that you run into trouble, it doesn't end up working the greatest in either perspective. It's like a jack-of-all-trades master of none type scenario.Zodiac541 wrote...
If BioWare can make a 3rd/1st person toggle work well, then more power to them. There is nothing inherently wrong with 1st person in RPGs.
You know what RPG that the 1st person perspective worked in? Not Oblivion/Morrowind, not Fallout 3/NV.
Deus Ex.
Don't say that the 1st person perspective inherently makes the game bad. If you don't like it, that's what a toggle is for. In a game that features SHOOTING, it's generally easier to aim in the 1st person perspective. Adding first person as an OPTION is not the end of the world.
For those of you who are worried about the cover system and its functionality in 1st person, there is a game that has jumped that hurdle as well. There once was a game called Rainbow Six Vegas, 2 of them in fact. It featured a near perfect (IMHO) transition from 1st person shooting to 3rd person shooting from cover. Who is to say that BioWare can't pull that off?
For those worried that BioWare won't be able to juggle it all, you may be right. We can't figure that out right now. Personally, I hope they pull out all the stops for Mass Effect 3. If they can keep their great storytelling intact and do a good job of adding a first person option, then more power to them.
#189
Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 02:35
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Mass Effect 2 is already on its way to being a perfect shooter/RPG hybrid, in my opinion. A few mechanical tweaks is all it needs, I think.
Why change the perspective when all that needs polishing are the RPG elements?
Why change the perspective when all that needs polishing are the RPG elements?
#190
Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 03:05
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#191
Posté 25 décembre 2010 - 05:03
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I hate the idea of 1st person in a BioWare game. I really wanted to play Mass Effect 1 and 2, but doing the demo of ME2, it was too shooterlike and gave me a ton of nausea. I couldn't even finish the demo. I've heard ME1 is a little better in that regard, but there's no demo of it to check. I would have bought ME2 if it hadn't had the shooter perspective and elements.
#193
Posté 26 décembre 2010 - 09:57
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NOOOOOOOOO!!! There are too many first person shooters these days as it is. Third person shooters can be just as good as any of them. And being how Mass Effect is very heavily based on character customization, I like being able to see my character as he/she interacts with the surrounding world.
#194
Posté 26 décembre 2010 - 10:18
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The Mass Effect trilogy is a RPG/THIRD Person Shooter hybrid. They've got enough on their plate with regards implementing things into Mass Effect 3 without having to appease a minority of people that want a (IMHO stupid) 1st Person toggle. Somehow I doubt it would be as simple a task to implement as some people are thinking it would be and so should be left well alone for another game.
#195
Posté 26 décembre 2010 - 12:30
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@ElementZero - I agree that technically it'd be a massive challenge to implement a wide angle/narrow angle camera with 1 flat screen. But are there any developers out there even trying it? I don't know, but I doubt it. Pity too.
@Sympathy4saren - 1st person isn't a genre, it's a camera perspective. We know Deus Ex isn't Mass Effect (I could tell by the titles. They say different things), but that doesn't mean we can't capitalize on it.
Why is it that having the option to toggle between 1st and 3rd person elicits such hate from either camp? It's like homophobes speaking out against gay marriage: They hate homosexuality and people who don't hate homosexuality. To say "I like 3rd person, so please don't let me choose to use 1st person" is just silly imo. If the option is there, so is the option not to use it.
@Sympathy4saren - 1st person isn't a genre, it's a camera perspective. We know Deus Ex isn't Mass Effect (I could tell by the titles. They say different things), but that doesn't mean we can't capitalize on it.
Why is it that having the option to toggle between 1st and 3rd person elicits such hate from either camp? It's like homophobes speaking out against gay marriage: They hate homosexuality and people who don't hate homosexuality. To say "I like 3rd person, so please don't let me choose to use 1st person" is just silly imo. If the option is there, so is the option not to use it.
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Posté 26 décembre 2010 - 12:33
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There is also one other thing to consider. FSP can't be cinematic, because main character (actor) is not in view. Meaning to have cinematic movie like feeling, you need to see the main character. It's perspective difference, between camera view and what person sees with eyes.
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#197
Posté 26 décembre 2010 - 12:35
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First person is lacking. I find it being to much of a FPS then so please, dont.
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Posté 26 décembre 2010 - 01:41
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Lumikki wrote...
There is also one other thing to consider. FSP can't be cinematic, because main character (actor) is not in view. Meaning to have cinematic movie like feeling, you need to see the main character. It's perspective difference, between camera view and what person sees with eyes.
So Modern Warfare isn't cinematic? Hmmm...
