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[Sviken]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
I don't think that counts as Harbinger's work alone. Collectors are engineered by the Reapers (in which Harby may or may not be involved), while the Geth are built by Quarians - it is clear which one should be more effective tools. And the Collectors were servants of the Reapers for millenia already, while Sovereign personally converted Saren and Benezia.

Well, it looked like Harbinger alone had total control of them. Harbinger was the one controlling the Collectors General. The rest of the Reapers weren't involved in this. Anyway, yeah, you're right, but it doesn't matter if Sovereign converted Saren and Benezia. All it matters is who is more effective: Saren and Benezia or the Collectors. Also, any  Reaper would have managed to convert Saren.

lol sure he's smarter when he's a million light years away with a whole
posse of other reapers backin' him up....Sovereign was alone and managed
to nearly take back the citadel himself whch makes him more of a badass
than Harbinger could ever be.  And of course Harbinger looks smarter,
hindsight is 20/20.  Sovereign couldn't anticipate how much
trouble us
humans could be.

Nobody backed him up. He was controlling the Collectors alone, as far as we know. Also, Sovereign wasn't even nearly on taking the Citadel. If Saren fails, Sovereign fails too. And when Nazara tried to kill Shepard personally and failed, Sovereign didn't release his control over Saren. I mean, how much of an idi*t can Sovereign be?

Unlike Sovereign, Harbinger was behind the attack on the first Normandy which actually killed Shepard. If it wasn't for Cerberus, the Reapers would have won already. That alone is a lot more than Sovereign ever did. Also, Harbinger was behind the abducted human colonists and he organized the trap on the Collector Cruiser. Let's not forget that unlike Sovereign, he released his control over the Collector General.

[mcneil_1]

Sovereign, I got sick and tired of Harbringer after the third time he took over a drone.

[g-w-m]

Everyone is comparing Sovereign's effectiveness to Harbinger's effectiveness.



They were operating on 2 separate time lines..! Sov would have had as much knowledge as Harby at the time of ME1. If it were Sov in Harby's place in the time of ME2 I'm sure he would have executed the exact same way.



As a character (not considering who is dead & who is not) Sovereign is far more chilling. He imposed a definate sense of hopelessness on our part. Harby has some strong points too, but Sov takes the cake.

[FeLLiPe21]

Definitely Sovereign.

[PunkRockFreak09]

I like Sovereign much more. Harbinger was just annoying. lol "Assuming Direct Control" didn't scare me at all...at first I was just like WTF o.O????? When you actually get to talk to Sovereign in ME1 it was much more creepier.

[TTTX]

Sovereign.

[Aglazzboi]

mcneil_1 wrote...

Sovereign, I got sick and tired of Harbringer after the third time he took over a drone.

This^ but regardless what reaper it is....

Shepard+Wrex+Garrus=**** harby, sovery and every other Reaper

[Belhawk]

Sovereign.

the lines, voice acting, and u actually see the real Sovereign, not puppets.

Harbinger hid from Shepard to stay alive.

[Cerbrus operative]

Harby

[TheJiveDJ]

Mortis5 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
I don't think that counts as Harbinger's work alone. Collectors are engineered by the Reapers (in which Harby may or may not be involved), while the Geth are built by Quarians - it is clear which one should be more effective tools. And the Collectors were servants of the Reapers for millenia already, while Sovereign personally converted Saren and Benezia.

Well, it looked like Harbinger alone had total control of them. Harbinger was the one controlling the Collectors General. The rest of the Reapers weren't involved in this. Anyway, yeah, you're right, but it doesn't matter if Sovereign converted Saren and Benezia. All it matters is who is more effective: Saren and Benezia or the Collectors. Also, any  Reaper would have managed to convert Saren.

lol sure he's smarter when he's a million light years away with a whole
posse of other reapers backin' him up....Sovereign was alone and managed
to nearly take back the citadel himself whch makes him more of a badass
than Harbinger could ever be.  And of course Harbinger looks smarter,
hindsight is 20/20.  Sovereign couldn't anticipate how much
trouble us
humans could be.

Nobody backed him up. He was controlling the Collectors alone, as far as we know. Also, Sovereign wasn't even nearly on taking the Citadel. If Saren fails, Sovereign fails too. And when Nazara tried to kill Shepard personally and failed, Sovereign didn't release his control over Saren. I mean, how much of an idi*t can Sovereign be?

Unlike Sovereign, Harbinger was behind the attack on the first Normandy which actually killed Shepard. If it wasn't for Cerberus, the Reapers would have won already. That alone is a lot more than Sovereign ever did. Also, Harbinger was behind the abducted human colonists and he organized the trap on the Collector Cruiser. Let's not forget that unlike Sovereign, he released his control over the Collector General.

Nobody backed him up?  You're missing the point.  Harby is leading the entire reaper fleet toward The Milky Way.  Sov acted alone and managed to start The Rachni wars, indoctrinate Saren / The Thorian / Benezia, and convince The Geth he was a God.  This in itself gives Sov some badass points over Harby.  Furthermore Harby had time to see what Sov did and avoid the same mistakes.  Again, hindsight is 20/20.  Sov wins.  Cooler voice, creepy spine-tingling lines, no annoying one-liners ala Harby.  Sov takes the cake hands down.

[Sviken]

TheJiveDJ wrote...
Nobody backed him up?  You're missing the point.  Harby is leading the entire reaper fleet toward The Milky Way.  Sov acted alone and managed to start The Rachni wars, indoctrinate Saren / The Thorian / Benezia, and convince The Geth he was a God.  This in itself gives Sov some badass points over Harby.  Furthermore Harby had time to see what Sov did and avoid the same mistakes.  Again, hindsight is 20/20.  Sov wins.  Cooler voice, creepy spine-tingling lines, no annoying one-liners ala Harby.  Sov takes the cake hands down.

As far as we know, Harbinger was the first one to awake. We saw Harby leading the Reaper fleet in the end of Mass Effect 2, but Harbinger was operating alone.

Also, any Reaper would have managed to convert Saren and the geth. Btw, let's not forget that Nazara managed only to convert a small percent of the geth.

Btw, as i said, Harbinger was behind the attack which killed Shepard. Seriously, that alone is much more than Sovereign ever did, xD.

Also, Harby can't see what Sovereign is doing, ya know.

[blocks]

Like someone else said, harbinger is just a whiny little **** who thinks he's the coolest kid around.



"the forces of the universe bend to me"



Maybe you should have bent them so I don't kick your ass then?

[Alexander Kogan]

I thought Harbinger ranked up there pretty closely with Sovereign. Unlike Sovereign, I felt that Harbinger had a more evil and demonic presence in comparison. Don't get me wrong, what Sovereign had done to Saren by the end of ME1 was pretty evil, but even when you killed a possessed Collector you were never safe from Harbinger as he would always possess another one on the battlefield. So in a way I see Harbinger as the Devil of the Reapers. Why you may ask? Because the Devil is sometimes something you can't see and that he works behind the scenes through evil and manipulates those under its influence, and that is exactly what Harbinger did throughout ME2. Sovereign may have brainwashed Saren and Benezia but they were the only truly controlled people under his influence, their followers and the Heretic Geth just blindly followed them. Harbinger however had a whole army of Collectors that he could create and control on a whim, and under his control he would send them across the galaxy to do his dirty work behind the scenes on multiple fronts.  Also, Saren and Benezia were but two people compared to the thousands of Protheans that Harbinger had mutated and controlled as Collectors. 

[TheDarklite]

Gotta go with Sovereign, at least he doesn't "assume direct control" every 5 seconds

[SithLordExarKun]

Harbinger because he is far more manipulative and intelligent than Sovereign. Sovereign was desperate at the end of ME1 to open the relay while Harbinger maintained his composure when his plan failed. Just because Harbinger had a few corny lines doesn't make him less of a badass nor does it make him any less dangerous than sovereign.

[Scrith]

Soverign actually brought a sense of fear and dread. He's also infinitely more well-developed as a character than Harbinger ever was. Seeing him getting destroyed was immensely satisfying.



Harbinger, not so. Actually, he kinda amused me, every time he ASSUMES DIRECT CONTROL i put a Widow round in his head.

[tonnactus]

Mortis5 wrote...

It's Harbinger for me. Sure, Sovereign was more badass, but Harbinger was a lot more smarter than Sovereign.

Yes,sure he was smarter.Thats why the collector cruiser could be destroyed by a cheap copy of reaper tech called Thanix cannon.Mass Effect 2 is a really a parody game.

I cannot wait for Mass Effect 3,when we destroy the reaper fleet by using a mac computer to upload a virus in their systems...

Modifié par tonnactus, 27 décembre 2010 - 12:55 .

[Ashbery]

Sovereign was actually a factor in the game.

[Lovestories]

Soverign more interesting, more engaging
Harbringer was forgottable if it wasnt for that one repetitive line.

Modifié par Lovestories, 27 décembre 2010 - 01:06 .

[thanekicksazz]

Sovereign is pretty badass. Forgive me if I'm wrong but I have played through mass effect 2 a dozen times and never got the feeling harbinger was a reaper. As far as I knew Harbinger was that pretorian looking thing in the control room of the collector ship that shot down the Normandy. The reaper (lame one if ya ask me) is that human looking thing through the omega 4 relay and as far as I know that thing never had a name.



If in fact this Harbinger is a reaper please tell me how you came to this conclusion.

[Ulicus]

I find it funny that, in terms of their role and function, Sovereign was a harbinger and Harbinger was a sovereign.

Modifié par Ulicus, 27 décembre 2010 - 01:20 .

[thanekicksazz]

Ok, I checked it out in the mass effect wiki and harbinger is a reaper. Coulda fooled me though. You only ever see "harbinger" once at the end of the game and the rest of the time he is possesing the collecter general and other collectors through the general. All in all he is a pretty lame reaper and you don't even get to kill him (mass effect 3 maybe). Sovereign all the way.

[Sviken]

tonnactus wrote...Yes,sure he was smarter.Thats why the collector cruiser could be destroyed by a cheap copy of reaper tech called Thanix cannon.Mass Effect 2 is a really a parody game.

I cannot wait for Mass Effect 3,when we destroy the reaper fleet by using a mac computer to upload a virus in their systems...

That was actually a real Reaper technology. Harbinger isn't responsible for the Collectors technology. Btw, it was also Sovereign's fault. If it wasn't for his s********, that Reaper tech would have never fallen in the wrong hands.

[InfiniteCuts]

Sovereign was singularly responsible for amassing a geth army, indoctrinating the galaxy's most powerful and influential people (Saren and Benezia), had a previously unknown organism nearly bring about the complete enslavement of a human colony and came within inches of initiating the galaxy's demise.

Harbinger hunted and killed one human (albeit an important one from our perspective) with a ragtag team of kidnappers and... what else? Oh, Project Skynet. There is just no comparison. The scope of Sovereign's mission was just way out of Harbinger's league. Who cares if Harbinger gets to ride shotgun with the entire reaper fleet... Sovereign was tasked to do a large part the job on his own.

What Sovereign managed to accomplish, all under anonymity since before the dawn of any of the known races, requires an intellect that Harbinger did not demonstrate (not saying he isn't smart... but you can't say he's smarter than Sovereign either).

Their leadership styles couldn't be more contrasting. Sovereign's approach was to delegate tasks to competent individuals and focus on specific goals, whereas Harbinger micro-manages like it's literally nobody's business yet what he did was next to useless and could expose the reapers to the entire galaxy long before they arrive.

In the end, letting the Omega-4 relay and Collector base fall into human hands is a bigger failure than Sovereign's, as they now have a potential weapon against the reaper fleet and control the galactic core. Sovereign died valiantly trying to further the cause of his people... Harbinger failed against against a small team of organics, made the enemy stronger/wiser and wasted resources with trying to bring about a "human reaper" (really?). I hope the other reapers put him in hibernate mode indefinitely.