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[Whitestrake]

Harbinger because he's, ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL of my heart.
Plus, comparatively speaking he seemed smarter than Sovereign, who's plan consisted of bullrushing in like a ******, & getting exploded.

Modifié par Renard the Bard, 27 décembre 2010 - 04:30 .

[tonnactus]

Mortis5 wrote...

That was actually a real Reaper technology. Harbinger isn't responsible for the Collectors technology.

Must be kidding.Who else is reponsible for the tech of the mindless servants when not the reapers theirself?
Also,a collector cruiser beaten by a cheap copy of the turians(considered primitve,lol) who try to reverse engineering reaper tech is like the japanese build better cars then the americans after their first try.
Its just dumb.

[SithLordExarKun]

[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...

Sovereign was singularly responsible for amassing a geth army, indoctrinating the galaxy's most powerful and influential people (Saren and Benezia),
[/quote] Whats stopping harbinger or any other reaper from doing the same had they been in Sovereigns shoes?

[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
Harbinger hunted and killed one human (albeit an important one from our perspective) with a ragtag team of kidnappers and... what else?
[/quote] Which alone is far more accomplished than what Sovereign achieved because he failed the kill shepard.
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
Oh, Project Skynet. There is just no comparison. The scope of Sovereign's mission was just way out of Harbinger's league.
[/quote] By rushing into the citadel headfirst and then getting blown into a thousands pieces subsequently letting the galaxy get their hands on reaper technology? Sovereigns mission was to simply find a way for the reapers to return, the same applied for harbinger, their methods were just different.
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
Who cares if Harbinger gets to ride shotgun with the entire reaper fleet... Sovereign was tasked to do a large part the job on his own.[/quote] So was Harbinger, he was the only one who controlled an entire race while sovereign could barely convert the geth and only a tiny percentage.
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
What Sovereign managed to accomplish, all under anonymity since before the dawn of any of the known races, requires an intellect that Harbinger did not demonstrate (not saying he isn't smart... but you can't say he's smarter than Sovereign either).[/quote] And you can't say Sovereign is smarter than Harbinger either. I don't see how manipulating 2 people to find out why the relay isn't opening an attributre to "godlike intellect".
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
Their leadership styles couldn't be more contrasting. Sovereign's approach was to delegate tasks to competent individuals and focus on specific goals,
[/quote] And Harbinger doesn't? The collectors were far more competant than the geth. The geth could barely kill every human in any planet in ME1 but the collectors were able to abduct and subdue entire colonies.
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
whereas Harbinger micro-manages like it's literally nobody's business yet what he did was next to useless and could expose the reapers to the entire galaxy long before they arrive.[/quote] See the above. How exactly could he have exposed the reapers when they were in dark space? How would he even have the slightest chanc to get explosed when the collectors are barely seen? Nobody believed Sovereign was a reaper when he was seen(except  for a few). You're just being nipicky because of your hatred of ME2 and annoying nostalgia of ME1.
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
In the end, letting the Omega-4 relay and Collector base fall into human hands is a bigger failure than Sovereign's,
[/quote] The omega 4 is a relay and the relays are accessed by the entire galaxy. How does this spell failure for Harbinger? Again more ME1 nostalgia here by ignoring the facts. The collector base may or may not have fallen into human hands but Sovereigns technlogy already HAS fallen into BOTH human AND turian hands(thanix cannon).
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
as they now have a potential weapon against the reaper fleet and control the galactic core.
[/quote] Two words: Sovereigns remains.
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
Sovereign died valiantly trying to further the cause of his people...
[/quote] No, he died desperately
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
Harbinger failed against against a small team of organics,
[/quote] So did sovereign when he was stupid enough to transfer his self into the saren avatar and giving humanity the chance to blow him apart.
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote
made the enemy stronger/wiser and wasted resources with trying to bring about a "human reaper" (really?).
[/quote] Ya like how sovereign canonically gave the galaxy reaper technology.

[sympathy4saren]

We each like who we like. It's not who is better than the other, its who you prefer...who you like more. I liked them both, fairly equally, for different reasons.

And who are we kidding...they are both Reapers. They both are powerful beyond reckoning. They just so happened to run into me!!!

Modifié par sympathy4saren, 28 décembre 2010 - 05:21 .

[InfiniteCuts]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

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I feel for ME2 defense force... I really do, but you guys have been extra sensitive as of late.  Imagine that... one must hate ME2 in order to prefer Sovereign over Harbinger.  Exactly where did ME1 vs. ME2 come into the picture?  You pulled your rant out of thin air because my opinion rubs you the wrong way.  I'm not getting in a point-by-point discussion with you over this, but suffice it to say you have tunnel-vision when it comes to Shepard and his relevance to the reapers.  The idea that, because the Collectors killed Shepard by sheer chance Harbinger accomplished more than Sovereign, is short-sighted to say the least.  It's a zero-sum game for you, and I don't have time to squabble over who's accomplishments have more merit.  Maybe it's just you that is blinded by your annoying defensiveness for ME2.  I'm not impressed by your oversimplifying, Mr. Kun.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I like Harbinger's voice better, but Saren was the best in terms of setting the standards for the reaper's creepinmeout vibe. Harbinger just wasn't that scary. And seeing his donut dunkin' voice actor in the Dark Knight didn't exactly help lol.



-Polite

[Ulzeraj]

Sovereign for sure. That possession thing just sounds like "oh its you again". When a bad guy appears too much threatening to obliterate you and always gets his ass kicked... kinda puts him on the "Austin Powers" type of villain. The Lich King for example... Blizzard did their best to make him appear on every crappy quest that he kinda lost his badass appeal.

Two months to kill him on 25 heroic restored my respect for him tho.

A villain has to be like Sovereign. He pulls the strings and you dont know he exists until its too late. And if you see him you're probably dead.

Modifié par Ulzeraj, 28 décembre 2010 - 06:45 .

[SithLordExarKun]

[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...


I feel for ME2 defense force... I really do, but you guys have been extra sensitive as of late.  Imagine that... one must hate ME2 in order to prefer Sovereign over Harbinger.
[/quote] Which sadly is the case. Its like telling me Malak was a better villian than palpatine or the joker because they hate the movies or the batman comics.

[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
  Exactly where did ME1 vs. ME2 come into the picture?
[/quote] Its clearly written in your post, one must have better eyesight to spot it. You may not have directly stated so but it is heavily implied that ME1 villains are the epitome of comptency while ME2 villains were a bunch of morons who shot their own foot.
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
  You pulled your rant out of thin air because my opinion rubs you the wrong way.
[/quote] Out of thin air? More like your irrational thoughts and bias.
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
but suffice it to say you have tunnel-vision when it comes to Shepard and his relevance to the reapers. 
[/quote] And this coming from someone who ignored facts for his arguments....
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
The idea that, because the Collectors killed Shepard by sheer chance Harbinger accomplished more than Sovereign, is short-sighted to say the least.
[/quote No, chance or not Harbinger got the job done while sovereign with or without chance failed to kill Shepard.
[quote]InfiniteCuts wrote...
  It's a zero-sum game for you, and I don't have time to squabble over who's accomplishments have more merit.  Maybe it's just you that is blinded by your annoying defensiveness for ME2.  I'm not impressed by your oversimplifying, Mr. Kun.
[/quote] Annoying defensiveness? Wow so apparantly giving criticism to ME2 means nothing eh? And this  is somes from another RPG elitist and ME1 fanatic that treates the game like a revolutionary piece of software. And im not impressed with your blatant ignoring of the facts. Thats what all ME1 fanatics do.

[s0meguy6665]

Sovereign's conversation on that planet where you destroy krogan breeding grounds was so badass.

[Fancando]

can't decide yet. Nazara's plan unfolded in ME1 and he failed, but Harbinger's has yet to be revealed completeley, all we know is that Harbinger wants to construct Human Reapers and nothing more and there is more to the plan.

Modifié par Fancando, 28 décembre 2010 - 08:14 .

[darth_lopez]

both sorta failed(plan wise to clarify)....although today as i was playing me 2 that damned Harbinger stole my garrus v.v T-T, he was loyal and for future refrences don't use jacob on the keeper swarms!

Luckily i was driven so mad by rage at garrus's death i swiftly killed the remaining collectors in a nice 15 minute hardcore mellee fest. the boss took a bit longer, but i digress.

Sovereign ftw. He was more menacing more intiimidating and come on who didn't love the line "I am the vangaurd of your distruction".

Modifié par darth_lopez, 28 décembre 2010 - 09:16 .

[mmmu]

Sovereign. Hrrrrr!

[twisty77]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

Harbinger is only their captain just like Sovereign but Leviathan is their leader

This needs to happen. So many contexual implications, i.e. Leviathan, aka the devil, is the leader of the Reapers. This means they are evil itself. What does that make Shep for defeating evil? God? He already died once and came back... lol

[Fromyou]

Soverign I was scarred of him it whatever. Harbinger just talked and talked and talked like my girlfriend

[Tony Redgrave]

Sovereign, no contest.

his cold, utterly emotionless metallic voice is easily one of the best in sci-fi yet. he really gave the impression of a completely merciless and emotionless entity.



Harbinger just sounds like your average demonic..ish enemy. could have come from any Diablo type game universe and after a while I just got bored with his constant repetive taunting.

he just sounds too ..organic.



hm, would be cool to have Soveregins voice for windows. startup: "I am beyond your comprehension. I am Sovereign."

:>

[darth_lopez]

twisty77 wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

Harbinger is only their captain just like Sovereign but Leviathan is their leader

This needs to happen. So many contexual implications, i.e. Leviathan, aka the devil, is the leader of the Reapers. This means they are evil itself. What does that make Shep for defeating evil? God? He already died once and came back... lol

Leviathan isn't the name of the devil

hm, would be cool to have Soveregins voice for windows. startup: "I am beyond your comprehension. I am Sovereign."

that would be one hell of an error message

Modifié par darth_lopez, 28 décembre 2010 - 09:02 .

[Sviken]

tonnactus wrote...
Must be kidding.Who else is reponsible for the tech of the mindless servants when not the reapers theirself?
Also,a collector cruiser beaten by a cheap copy of the turians(considered primitve,lol) who try to reverse engineering reaper tech is like the japanese build better cars then the americans after their first try.
Its just dumb.

The reapers don't care about the collectors. And why should they? The collectors have their own technology, which is quite advanced, they are only needed in special cases, and it would be dangerous for the reapers to lend their technology in the collectors hands. Also, you can't judge Harbinger about everything the reapers do.

Btw, as i said, it's a real reaper technology, not a cheap copy. If Sovereign was a little more smart, he wouldn't have attacked the Citadel almost alone. Good job, Sovereign.

Also, the turians are considered primitive because they are naive, not very bright and etc. They are just brute force.

Modifié par Mortis5, 28 décembre 2010 - 09:24 .

[Prazza]

"Nazara" is cool.

[sympathy4saren]

In Sovereign's defense, though, it didn't know I was hot on their tail. Sovereign underestimated me.



It's nice Sovereign and Harbinger were different in many ways. They are "independent", so it fits perfectly with their characterization.

[twisty77]

darth_lopez wrote...

twisty77 wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

Harbinger is only their captain just like Sovereign but Leviathan is their leader

This needs to happen. So many contexual implications, i.e. Leviathan, aka the devil, is the leader of the Reapers. This means they are evil itself. What does that make Shep for defeating evil? God? He already died once and came back... lol

Leviathan isn't the name of the devil

hm, would be cool to have Soveregins voice for windows. startup: "I am beyond your comprehension. I am Sovereign."

that would be one hell of an error message

Leviathan is used somewhere in the Bible to refer to the devil. It is in no way a direct reference to the devil, I think it's something like "Leviathan refers to snakes, snakes are serpents and the devil is called a serpent more than once". Eh idk. Still would be pretty cool lol

[Weskerr]

twisty77 wrote...


Leviathan is used somewhere in the Bible to refer to the devil. It is in no way a direct reference to the devil, I think it's something like "Leviathan refers to snakes, snakes are serpents and the devil is called a serpent more than once". Eh idk. Still would be pretty cool lol

It's also a word in the English dictionary and means "Something huge or formidable of its kind."