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[darknoon5]

Elite Midget wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Oh hey look it's Elite Midget and his "Facts" again.

By facts you mean common sense and looking at Bioware's past history than yeah. Those are facts than.

No...a fact is something which can be proven beyond doubt. That is just your opinion. Your opinion doesn't equal fact, and it's my opinion that your "facts" are just a bunch of contrived and innacurate views; you're not the genius you seem to think you are.

[Daewan]

Edumacated guesses:



DLC people will probably be gone. By default, you didn't buy the DLC, they never joined.

Miranda will probably be alive by default. Cerberus loyalist is alive to give you information. Jacob may or may not be alive, depending on the statistics. Since most players start off as Soldiers, they might give you Jacob again to fill out missing powers at the start.

Mordin will probably be dead. His chances of dying in the survival mission are very high.

Tali and Garrus will probably be alive. They've survived the first two games, after all.

Thane will probably be dead or dying. It's part of his storyline. If he appears in 3, it will be the player's choice to make an effort to save him.

Legion will probably be gone (default, given to Cerberus). No Geth army by default.

Grunt will probably be gone (default, given to Cerberus). No Krogan army by default.

Jack may not still be in your group, but will probably be alive.

Samara/Morinth will probably be alive, but may or may not be in your group. If Liara returns as a party member, Samara/Morinth is totally redundant.

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Oh hey look it's Elite Midget and his "Facts" again.

By facts you mean common sense and looking at Bioware's past history than yeah. Those are facts than.

Than the inevietable ME2 Comic will further downplay the Suicide Misssion even more just like the ME1 Comic for PC/360 Owners has done.

First off, what ME2 comic? The ME1 comic only exists so that PS3 owners can port over the big decisions from ME1 to ME2 and then to ME3 the things that would actually impact the overall plot, like Wrex leading the unified Krogan. The only reason that comic exists is because PS3 owners don't have ME1. So an ME2 comic would be a complete waste of money.

Secondly you want to use common sense, here is common sense first off not only is it hard to kill off most of your squad in ME2's "Suicide" mission in that you have to take an active role in trying to get them killed, but secondly through conversations it is possible to make it so every squadmate either has no reason to leave, no where to go if they do leave, has promised to stay, has promised to come back, or has a reason to come back. So yeah your "facts" and "common sense" have little real credibility.

[Da_Lion_Man]

That would be such a failure on Bioware's part... it's like admitting they ****ed up in ME2 and couldn't think of a better solution.

[Bamboozalist]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

That would be such a failure on Bioware's part... it's like admitting they ****ed up in ME2 and couldn't think of a better solution.

I don't understand why they just can't import the survivors and let the dead people stay dead.

1. Anyone importing has probably everyone they WANT to import alive.
2. They have their ME2 statistics and "death-o-meter" for new players for an average default
3. Non of the ME2 squadmates except for Tali and Legion have any real plot impacting political power that them not being in the game would drastically alter a players experience beyond simply not having another squad member.

[Ahriman]

Bamboozalist wrote...


3. Non of the ME2 squadmates except for Tali and Legion have any real plot impacting political power

Which political power do Tali and Legion have?

Modifié par Wizz, 23 décembre 2010 - 06:28 .

[alperez]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

You have to actively pursue all the sidequests to get everyone alive.
Some people don't care that much and will do something of a casual speed run, getting quite a few people killed.
BioWare assuming everyone lived is a laughably bad idea when the trilogy was built upon the idea that your choices matter.
And I still don't understand why people think the ME2 party members signed on to stop the reapers. They did not. They signed on to stop the Collector abductions and have no obligation at all to stick with Shepard.

All excellent points, but its not a question of bioware assuming everyone lived its more a question of them simply making it a default position for any new player, doing this allows for greater scope in how they implement any returning players playthrough. The consequences of the choices you made should affect how you play the next game not how anyone else does. By making the default option an everyone survives (which would only affect a non import game anyway) it allows for an import to be unique and different.

How i play the game shouldn't affect how you do or vice versa, so if i made it through the suicide mission with all characters surviving then so be it i get the possibility of having all those characters as squadmates for me3, if some of them didn't survivie on my playthrough then i miss out on those characters and my team is that much smaller.

A minimum of 2 characters must survive for an import to work and seriously how many people are importing that save for reasons other than to see how it works?

As for whether or not the me2 squad signed on to face the reapers or just the collectors you can argue either way, at the end of me2 it sure as hell looked like they were getting ready to face the reapers rather than everyone was packing up, patting themselves on the back for a job well done and looking for pastures anew.

There are genuine storyline reasons why certain characters may not return, Thane, Mordin etc. but even these could be worked around if the desire was there on biowares part to do so.

In saying all of this i actually believe we will be giving a work around and we shouldn't get too attached to any characters other than shepard, as me2 showed unfortunately, where death is a possibility cameo's are the result.

[Bamboozalist]

Wizz wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...


3. Non of the ME2 squadmates except for Tali and Legion have any real plot impacting political power

Which political power do Tali and Legion have?

Tali is being considered for admiralty if you get her pardoned and Legion is a "direct" connection with the Geth, himself he has no political power but he allows the Geth to see the situation and since they deal in consensus and data that's the best way for them to get the information they need to decide if they want to help Shepard since him/her physically going there to talk to them would do nothing.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

You have to actively pursue all
the sidequests to get everyone alive.
Some people don't care that
much and will do something of a casual speed run, getting quite a few
people killed.
BioWare assuming everyone lived is a laughably bad
idea when the trilogy was built upon the idea that your choices matter.
And
I still don't understand why people think the ME2 party members signed
on to stop the reapers. They did not. They signed on to stop the
Collector abductions and have no obligation at all to stick with
Shepard.

I did a speed run where I didn't even recruit samara, did only half the loyalty missions, chose the wrong people for the vents, biotics, and 2nd fire team and I still ended up with 6 people alive. You have to TRY to get the majority of your squad killed.

Also even Samara, the one who is clearly there just for the mission, promises to come back when you need her if you're paragon and bothered to become her friend.

Modifié par Bamboozalist, 23 décembre 2010 - 06:42 .

[Elite Midget]

We got a ME1 Comic. Bioware will cave again and give us a ME2 Comic to appease whinners that demand a Comic since playing through ME2 will take too long and is too hard. It's only natural that this will happen. Though I believe you may have just forgotten that PC/360 Owners whinned and are getting the comic now too.

My views aren't inaccurate since they're supported by Biowares history, the trends of Bioware, and the fact that Bioware made them all Killable in multiple ways for a reason. They aren't returning as Squaddies. Stop living in a pipe dream and use Common Sense here. What you want isn't what Bioware has planned.

Don't leacture me. My zombies survived in all my playthroughs even my Insanity Runs. It takes common Sense to save your crew but obviously with Gamers losing membersw it shows that not everyone 'has' common sense at all. Thus the Zombies can't return because of those that lack Common Sense and Bioware making them killable.

That and Bioware dropped many hints that they will leave.

You're message by the Shaman that Grunt will return if he lives no matter what.

Garrus will leave because Bioware has stated that he wont grow under Shepard thus to reach his potiential he must leave.

Samara states that she will leave to continue doing her thing. If Renegade she says that if you both meet again than she'll kill you.

Morinth will leave to cause more chaos after paying you back for helping her kill her mommy. She bears no connection with Shepard other than embracing eternity with'em.

Thane will die of his illness in a year. Especially since he refuses any medical treatment is content with dieing.

Tali will return to the Migrant Fleet or will continue her study on dieing stars or Dark Energy. Even as a LI she will see that she can do more good helping Shepard by resuming her studies to find a means to combat the Reapers.

Mordin is already old and will either return to the STG, curing the Genophage, or his Clinic to try and make a difference. Especially since he may not even be alive by the time the Reapers come thus it's better that he pushs others to support Shepard. Thus he doesn't return.

Jack has no reason to stay even as a LI. She's the most powerful human biotic and can use that to help Shepard in ways that none could ever imagine. However, to do that she must leave Shepard and find her own way to prepare against the Reaper Threat. As a Non-LI she also states that she will leave Shepard anyway after the Collectors are dealt with. Thus by Majority Rule(With most scenerio's where she statse that she will leave) she will leave even as a LI.

Miranda will either study the base under Cerberus or will finally bring her father down since TIM will no longer be protecting her Sister or her family. It will take years to accomplish this and just like the characters from the Novels she'll not want to bother Shepard and instead will try and do things her own way since her problems pale compared to the Reapers.

Jacob will either remain under Cerberus with Miranda or maybe even rejoin the Alliance. Hell, he could become a Politician and spread the truth about Cerberus thus further daageing Cerberus publicly. As a highly trained Cerberus Operative he would be very hard to take down as easily thus giving him a chance to do as he pleases.

Zaeed states he will leave after becoming a big goddam hero. No reason for the Mercenary to stay.

Kasumi will leave. Either with the Gray Box or simply because she did what she promised by taking out the Collectors. No reason for her to stay on a ship for years on end doing nothing.

Legion returns to the Geth is he lives. Why would he stay? Especially after all that occured in ME2 that greatly effects the Geth?

That and many of the Squaddies can die in many ways. If you don't do their Loyalty Quests they leave in that scenerio as well. It's a fact, Bioware 'wants' them to leave. Thus pushing the Cameo/Temp Squaddie Role even more for ME3. It doesn't take a genius to see what Bioware has plans for the deceased and wishes to bring new characters/races to join Shepard against the Reapers. Only a fool would blind themselfs to all these facts and hints that Bioware has thrown at us throughout ME2.

Hell, do some of you even 'read' the E-Mails? Hell, they give 'great' insight on why even Garrus, Grunt, or Tali will leave Shepard even if some were LIs.

That and with Bioware stateing that each ME Game will be Standalone and with the Comic it's obvious that the events of the other MEs when it omes to Squaddies outside of Liara are of no true concern to Bioware. It sucks but that's the facts.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 23 décembre 2010 - 06:42 .

[Alienmorph]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Wizz wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...


3. Non of the ME2 squadmates except for Tali and Legion have any real plot impacting political power

Which political power do Tali and Legion have?

Tali
is being considered for admiralty if you get her pardoned and Legion is
a "direct" connection with the Geth, himself he has no political power
but he allows the Geth to see the situation and since they deal in
consensus and data that's the best way for them to get the information
they need to decide if they want to help Shepard since him/her
physically going there to talk to them would do nothing.

Tali
herself doensn't seem to consider serious her nominee for the
admiralty, but still the closest thing to a parent she left on Flotilla
is already an Admiral, and if she got exiled retaking Rannoch would be
one of the few things that migh redeem her, lefting Tali even more
motivated to do something. Legion is the first Geth ever built
specifically to interact with organic beings so he can ben already
considered a sort of ambassador. 

Elite Midget wrote...



We got a ME1 Comic. Bioware will
cave again and give us a ME2 Comic to appease whinners that demand a
Comic since playing through ME2 will take too long and is too hard. It's
only natural that this will happen. Though I believe you may have just
forgotten that PC/360 Owners whinned and are getting the comic now too.



My
views aren't inaccurate since they're supported by Biowares history,
the trends of Bioware, and the fact that Bioware made them all Killable
in multiple ways for a reason. They aren't returning as Squaddies. Stop
living in a pipe dream and use Common Sense here. What you want isn't
what Bioware has planned.



Don't leacture me. My zombies survived
in all my playthroughs even my Insanity Runs. It takes common Sense to
save your crew but obviously with Gamers losing membersw it shows that
not everyone 'has' common sense at all. Thus the Zombies can't return
because of those that lack Common Sense and Bioware making them
killable.



That and Bioware dropped many hints that they will leave.



You're message by the Shaman that Grunt will return if he lives no matter what.



Garrus will leave because Bioware has stated that he wont grow under Shepard thus to reach his potiential he must leave.



Samara
states that she will leave to continue doing her thing. If Renegade she
says that if you both meet again than she'll kill you.



Morinth
will leave to cause more chaos after paying you back for helping her
kill her mommy. She bears no connection with Shepard other than
embracing eternity with'em.



Thane will die of his illness in a year. Especially since he refuses any medical treatment is content with dieing.



Tali
will return to the Migrant Fleet or will continue her study on dieing
stars or Dark Energy. Even as a LI she will see that she can do more
good helping Shepard by resuming her studies to find a means to combat
the Reapers.



Mordin is already old and will either return to the
STG, curing the Genophage, or his Clinic to try and make a difference.
Especially since he may not even be alive by the time the Reapers come
thus it's better that he pushs others to support Shepard. Thus he
doesn't return.



Jack has no reason to stay even as a LI. She's
the most powerful human biotic and can use that to help Shepard in ways
that none could ever imagine. However, to do that she must leave Shepard
and find her own way to prepare against the Reaper Threat. As a Non-LI
she also states that she will leave Shepard anyway after the Collectors
are dealt with. Thus by Majority Rule(With most scenerio's where she
statse that she will leave) she will leave even as a LI.



Miranda
will either study the base under Cerberus or will finally bring her
father down since TIM will no longer be protecting her Sister or her
family. It will take years to accomplish this and just like the
characters from the Novels she'll not want to bother Shepard and instead
will try and do things her own way since her problems pale compared to
the Reapers.



Jacob will either remain under Cerberus with Miranda
or maybe even rejoin the Alliance. Hell, he could become a Politician
and spread the truth about Cerberus thus further daageing Cerberus
publicly. As a highly trained Cerberus Operative he would be very hard
to take down as easily thus giving him a chance to do as he pleases.



Zaeed states he will leave after becoming a big goddam hero. No reason for the Mercenary to stay.



Kasumi
will leave. Either with the Gray Box or simply because she did what she
promised by taking out the Collectors. No reason for her to stay on a
ship for years on end doing nothing.



Legion returns to the Geth
is he lives. Why would he stay? Especially after all that occured in ME2
that greatly effects the Geth?



That and many of the Squaddies
can die in many ways. If you don't do their Loyalty Quests they leave in
that scenerio as well. It's a fact, Bioware 'wants' them to leave. Thus
pushing the Cameo/Temp Squaddie Role even more for ME3. It doesn't take
a genius to see what Bioware has plans for the deceased and wishes to
bring new characters/races to join Shepard against the Reapers. Only a
fool would blind themselfs to all these facts and hints that Bioware has
thrown at us throughout ME2.



Hell, do some of you even 'read'
the E-Mails? Hell, they give 'great' insight on why even Garrus, Grunt,
or Tali will leave Shepard even if some were LIs.



That and with
Bioware stateing that each ME Game will be Standalone and with the Comic
it's obvious that the events of the other MEs when it omes to Squaddies
outside of Liara are of no true concern to Bioware. It sucks but that's
the facts.

When BW said that the ME are standalone??? They declared that ME was a trilogy since the beginning!
Seeying your various observations.

Grunt
- The Sciaman mails you saying to keep him ALIVE, but Krogans live
potentially as long as the Asari, there's no urge to take him back. And
Shepard's the only being in the galaxy who Grunt seems to care, or at
least respect.

Garrus - The SB dossier says that he won't show
his full potential until he remains under Shepard's command. Not that
he's going to leave. And where he might go? On Palaven, where his whole
family think that he abandoned them? On Citadel? After he left the C-Sec
to become a vigilante?

Samara - She might leave easier that the
others, I admit that. But stil we don't know if she considers herself
still bonded to Shepard after the SM. Morinth would leave for sure,
before someone discovers who really she's.

Thane - He might die
at the beginning of the game, but also seeying the real size of the
incoming menace he might change his mind about the treatments. to remain
as long as possible with Shepard.

Tali - She doesn't study Dark
Energy! She collects datas on that and on geths, but she's a war
engineer. And she has 1/2 of chances to be exiled. What can she do
alone, without the resources of the Flotilla or of the Normandy?

Mordin
- He has at least 10 years left, and he's the only one who studied the
Collectors in ME2, so he's the only expert in reaper-based technology
around. Maybe he can becames and NpC but still remaining on the
Normandy.

Jack - She has nowhere to go, and probably various bounties on her head along the whole galaxy.

Legion
- he was built to interact with organics, to show the will of the Geths
to fight the raepers. He exists to fight side-by-side with Shepard.

Miranda
and Jacob - Miranda is almost impossible to kill, compared to the
others, in SM, if there will a character that will remain she's her.
Jacob will fight with everyone who wanna do something concrete, and
Shepard's that one.

Zaeed and Kasumi - the most likely to leave.
They have their own agendas and they joined the team only for money, at
least at the beginning.

And still... why so many people wants to Npcize the whole ME cast? For Christ's sake...

Modifié par Alienmorph, 23 décembre 2010 - 07:02 .

[Elite Midget]

If Legion is an Ambassador than wouldn't Shepard try and get Legion more widely reconized with the Council and promote talks between Legion and the Council to ensure a true alliegeance against the true threat?

[Ahriman]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Tali is being considered for admiralty if you get her pardoned and Legion is a "direct" connection with the Geth, himself he has no political power but he allows the Geth to see the situation and since they deal in consensus and data that's the best way for them to get the information they need to decide if they want to help Shepard since him/her physically going there to talk to them would do nothing.

Tali isn't leader type of person, she even couldn't  protect herself on trial. And I don't remember that she was "considered for admiralty if you get her pardoned".
Geth already know about Reaper threat and fact that you destroyed collector base gives them nothing new . Legion is just fast way to call them.
So none of Shepard's squadmates has impact on political picture of the Galaxy.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Elite Midget wrote...

If Legion is an Ambassador than wouldn't Shepard try and get Legion more widely reconized with the Council and promote talks between Legion and the Council to ensure a true alliegeance against the true threat?

All the more reason why I believe Legion will be a default survivor. He's the only Geth that was built to communicate with organics without him getting the Geth on our side and gettin gthe Council to accept their help would be near impossible.

[Aigyl]

I don't think "Character Can Die in ME2 = Cameo in ME3" is necessarily true.

When they were making ME2, Bioware had to downplay the consequences from ME1 so you wouldn't have all these insane diverging paths for ME3. All the extra variables would be a nightmare to keep track of. Thus a lot decisions from ME1 were reduced to emails and cameos. But as ME3 is the last in the trilogy, that no longer applies. They have a lot more freedom to allow decisions to have bigger consequences in ME3, it doesn't just have to be emails and cameos anymore.

Anyhoo, I personally wouldn't want the default to be everyone surviving the SM. For us fans sure, it's easy to get everyone out alive so the SM doesn't seem such a big deal, but when you
look at it you have to put a lot of time into doing all those loyalty missions. They're optional content for people who are deliberately aiming to get the best results they can in the SM (or those crazy completionist people, like me) and it's quite a large chunk of content to shoot through.

It would feel a bit of a slap in the face to those who took the time and effort to do everything they could before launching the SM so they could get everyone out alive, to find everyone starting a default Shepard has all the work done for them already. And that's not mentioning making the right decisions during the SM itself to save the whole squad, plus Normandy Crew.

Modifié par Aigyl, 23 décembre 2010 - 06:58 .

[Teh Blasta]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

You have to actively pursue all the sidequests to get everyone alive.
Some people don't care that much and will do something of a casual speed run, getting quite a few people killed.
BioWare assuming everyone lived is a laughably bad idea when the trilogy was built upon the idea that your choices matter.
And I still don't understand why people think the ME2 party members signed on to stop the reapers. They did not. They signed on to stop the Collector abductions and have no obligation at all to stick with Shepard.

This is where I stand on ME2 and future squadmates, the bulk of your members in ME2 were just tagging along for the Collectors mission. If I had some kind of imput on this I would make the DLC squadmates return in ME3 ONLY if you had a ME2 save to import in, otherwise they helped and are now doing their own thing. The same can be said for almost all of your past squadmates. Garrus, Joker, the Doc, Legion and Tali might be the most likely to actually stay now that they are pretty much done with what they were doing. People like Samara, Thane and Mordin have other important things to do. Jack and Grunt never seemed all for staying at any point so I assue they will also go their own way. Miranda and Jacob are still working for Cerberus and it is up to the Devs to decide where their loyality is in this whole situation. Soo... yeah. I think depending on if you decide to import the game save for ME3 it will play a big role for a number of things, includeing squadmates.

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...
Long ass post here

You're neglecting the fact that the entire reason why the comic was made. It was made so that people on the PS3 could experience ME1. The only reason people on the PC and 360 wanted it was simply because the PS3 had it and they didn't. For ME3 bioware has zero reason to make it, it would serve no purpose, regardless of whinning. If your argument is that bioware is going to cave to people complaining than every ME2 squadmate is returning by that alone because guess what, the people who want them back out-weigh the people who don't.

As for your squadmates

Samara tells you if you're paragon that she will return.

Shepard is Grunt's battlemaster and he has no intention of leaving.

Jacob and Miranda make it clear that they're in it for the long haul.

Thane wants his son to have a bright future.

Tali has no real interest in Quarian politics and is fiercely loyal to Shepard.

Garrus has no desire to lead another team after ME2 and is fiercely loyal to Shepard.

Zaeed owes you for Vido.

Mordin is doing what he loves, working against impossible odds.

The Normandy is the first "safe" place Jack has every really know and also the first place where people have been genuinely caring towards her.

Kasumi has the gray box and enjoys the intrigue and crew.

Legion is deals exclusively in data so him leaving to go back to the geth is pointless, also he's Shepard's number one fanboy.

Also lets consider the end of ME2 where what is your team doing? Are they packing up their bags and leaving? No, they're getting the normandy back up and running, standing at attention when Shepard walks by, and preparing for the Reapers.

Modifié par Bamboozalist, 23 décembre 2010 - 07:10 .

[Ahriman]

Let's not start another A-goes-B-because-C-thread.

[Alienmorph]

Wizz wrote...

Let's not start another A-goes-B-because-C-thread.

Hmm, yes, you're right, sorry. It won't chance the fact the opinion of no one. Still I found ridicuolosly irritant when I see so many people want that every character is turned in a cameo NpC...

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...

If Legion is an Ambassador than wouldn't Shepard try and get Legion more widely reconized with the Council and promote talks between Legion and the Council to ensure a true alliegeance against the true threat?

1. Legion is a late game character so there isn't time to do that in ME2.
2. If you hack your save file and bring legion to early game crap there is options on the Citadel about it but everyone, including the council, brushes it off as your "trophy bot".

Once again showing how little you actually know.

[Elite Midget]

Funny that you try and twst what Bioware is quite blantly throwing in our faces since they made them Killable. I personally wouldn't have wanted any to be killable but what I want isn't what Bioware wants. Also, Tali's whole Recruitment mission was studying dieng suns and Dark Energy is mentioned. Hell, Dark Energy has taken a Galatic Take and many are calmouring to study it now.



Face it, Bioware had plans for all of them even before ME2 released that wouldn't punish the Standalone experience of ME3 if any of them died by giving them a higher purpose outside the Squad.



This is what must be and I hope Bioware treats them with some decency after they've moved on.

[Bourne Endeavor]

I have purposed by own solution, that I believe would be a plausible means to appease mostly everyone, save those incessant whiners and frankly too bad. I shall reiterate it here for debate.

Mass Effect 3 introduces three new character, who make up either the specific class roles (Soldier, Adept and Engineer) or the diversified variations (Vanguard, Infiltrator and Sentinel.) The gameplay is subsequently designed to adhere to only these three characters in terms of balance. They each address a potential weakness of our Shepard and therefore prevent a more difficult file.

This would be the basis for a default file for new comers. If you choose to import, then you are rewarded with whomever survived the Suicide Mission as additional squad mates in what I shall refer to as "upgraded DLC." They would have specific developmental arcs not unlike the loyalty missions, yet would be interchangeable with the plot similar to their portrayal in Mass Effect. If one chose Wrex as a squad mate whilst traversing the frozen tundra of Noveria. They were treated to dialogue unique to Wrex, albeit minimal. There were no ramifications to the plot nor did leaving Wrex behind alter anything. This would be now ME2 characters would function in ME3. Always available for those who imported, yet never required.

As for Mass Effect's plot. Theoretically, the Virmire Survivor could fill the role of the aforementioned "new squad mate" in a sort of bonus or be the de facto fourth squad mate, if not rendered to the above. Liara is our information broker and I significantly doubt will return to active duty. Wrex, well Wrex is busy.

I believe I explained this well enough. If not, poke me to summarize further.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 23 décembre 2010 - 07:11 .

[Elite Midget]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

If Legion is an Ambassador than wouldn't Shepard try and get Legion more widely reconized with the Council and promote talks between Legion and the Council to ensure a true alliegeance against the true threat?

1. Legion is a late game character so there isn't time to do that in ME2.
2. If you hack your save file and bring legion to early game crap there is options on the Citadel about it but everyone, including the council, brushes it off as your "trophy bot".

Once again showing how little you actually know.

Hacking to get Legion early for content that Bioware had long dismissed isn't the same at all. Legion may have had a different purpose and recruitment time but that was obviously changed to near the end of the game for a reason. What reason I don't know but you have no right to say I know 'oh so little' when I'm using facts given to us by Bioware and the fact that Bioware has a proven history of discarding the old for the new.

Also, The Zombies aren't set as such in EVERY SAVE. They have multiple fates and some die in multple ways. Maybe that's what happened in 'your' save but it didn't happen in ALL saves. For example. Vido. Paragons don't have him killed and he escapes. That shows you're showing Bias and only taking into consieration 'your' perfect save which isn't ALL SAVES.

Bioware must compensate for ALL SAVES and not just 'YOUR' save!

Modifié par Elite Midget, 23 décembre 2010 - 07:14 .

[Praetor Knight]

Xilizhra wrote...

The interchangability of Ashley and Kaidan has by necessity cut down on the amount of individual development they could get in ME2, because one of them died. As a result, there are quite a few people upset over the perceived slighting of their favorite characters, and this is just with two who have rather overlapping fanbases. Imagine the fanbases of the entire ME2 squad's feelings over their own favorites being reduced to cameo roles in ME3...

Since the actual danger of the Suicide Mission is nearly laughable, I don't think Bioware will lose much if they just go with assuming that everyone lived. That way, everyone can fit well into the story and it can be written around them.

Are you refering to what would be default for a fresh unimported ME3 Shep Profile?

Well a Suicide Mission, is dangerous, but there can be survivors. Unless you are talking about a Forlorn Hope, where the participants are expected to die.

Also depending on your backgound, the ME2 "Suicide Mission" is like at minimum the second or third in your career... (Torfan, maybe Akuze, Virmire, Citadel Battle)
so I see a trend of defeating the impossible for Shep's Career there also.

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...

Funny that you try and twst what Bioware is quite blantly throwing in our faces since they made them Killable. I personally wouldn't have wanted any to be killable but what I want isn't what Bioware wants. Also, Tali's whole Recruitment mission was studying dieng suns and Dark Energy is mentioned. Hell, Dark Energy has taken a Galatic Take and many are calmouring to study it now.

Face it, Bioware had plans for all of them even before ME2 released that wouldn't punish the Standalone experience of ME3 if any of them died by giving them a higher purpose outside the Squad.

This is what must be and I hope Bioware treats them with some decency after they've moved on.

No it's not. First off there is not stand alone experience in ME regardless of what people say because if you're making a non import you're getting punished. Without Wrex there is no unified Krogan and without the council there the council races don't have any desire to help humanity.

Second off none of the ME2 squad members have the power to impact the plot. Tali isn't a researcher, she's a field operative and an engineer. Legion does not physically have to be anywhere else, his connection with the Geth is purely data. Mordin has a cure that's still years away from being able to even be implimented, then there is the time distrubting it, then the Krogan need to focus on breeding a horde, ect. Garrus is a washout from C-Sec/Specters and a vigilante what is he going to do? Jacob and Miranda are two "terrorists", ect...

Zaeed has the most political power of any ME2 squadmate and that would just be him getting the Blue Suns back under his control. Aria has a larger chance of helping you rally mercenaries.

[rasblak]

Elite Midget wrote...
We got a ME1 Comic. Bioware will cave again and give us a ME2 Comic to appease whinners that demand a Comic since playing through ME2 will take too long and is too hard. It's only natural that this will happen. Though I believe you may have just forgotten that PC/360 Owners whinned and are getting the comic now too.

My views aren't inaccurate since they're supported by Biowares history, the trends of Bioware, and the fact that Bioware made them all Killable in multiple ways for a reason. They aren't returning as Squaddies. Stop living in a pipe dream and use Common Sense here. What you want isn't what Bioware has planned.

Don't leacture me. My zombies survived in all my playthroughs even my Insanity Runs. It takes common Sense to save your crew but obviously with Gamers losing membersw it shows that not everyone 'has' common sense at all. Thus the Zombies can't return because of those that lack Common Sense and Bioware making them killable.

That and Bioware dropped many hints that they will leave.

I bet that if we don't get a whole new squad with all ME2 squaddies reduced to cameo's, Mr-Common-Sense-lover
here will claim that it's not that he was wrong but BioWare changed their plans because we common-sense-lacking-and-hating lowly lives made them do so with enough whining against their most "logical" plans.

Elite Midget, you can choose to see it as BioWare dropping hints that all squad members will leave and there'll be a totally new squad. That's a possibility that'd make my giving the finger to BioWare a certainty.
However, if I were BioWare I'd find it smarter to keep all my options open. I'd plant potential reasons for the
squadmate to have left in ME3, so that the fans know I'm not conveniently pulling stuff out of my butt.
Yet, I'd still wait for feedback from the fans regarding what it is they want.

The fans do not want 100% of ME2 squadmates to be cameo's.
'Geniuses' who take pride in their complete understanding of BioWare inside out do.