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[Alienmorph]

Elite Midget wrote...

Face it, Bioware had plans for all of them even before ME2 released that wouldn't punish the Standalone experience of ME3 if any of them died by giving them a higher purpose outside the Squad.

This is what must be and I hope Bioware treats them with some decency after they've moved on.

That's why I don't think that they'll all become NPCs! If BW , and we're sure of that, have done long term plans for them, it also have thinked about how keep them interacting with Shepard.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 23 décembre 2010 - 07:18 .

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

If Legion is an Ambassador than wouldn't Shepard try and get Legion more widely reconized with the Council and promote talks between Legion and the Council to ensure a true alliegeance against the true threat?

1. Legion is a late game character so there isn't time to do that in ME2.
2. If you hack your save file and bring legion to early game crap there is options on the Citadel about it but everyone, including the council, brushes it off as your "trophy bot".

Once again showing how little you actually know.

Also, The Zombies aren't set as such in EVERY SAVE. They have multiple fates and some die in multple ways. Maybe that's what happened in 'your' save but it didn't happen in ALL saves. For example. Vido. Paragons don't have him killed and he escapes. That shows you're showing Bias and only taking into consieration 'your' perfect save which isn't ALL SAVES.

Bioware must compensate for ALL SAVES and not just 'YOUR' save!

That's why there is this little thing called IMPORTING! They do take ALL SAVES into consideration by allowing them to import. If you didn't kill Vido? Zaeed leaves to go look for him. If your Renegade Samara won't come back. That's no different than killing off Wrex and not saving the council. Anyone who is importing will be importing exactly what they want so your argument is once again completely invalid. As for defaults? Ever wonder why Bioware is collecting ME2 satistics on who dies the most and all that?

You claim to be based on "Facts" but once again no you're not going off of anything Bioware has done.

[Elite Midget]

Bioware outright stated multiple times that each ME game would be a Standalone Experience and no Shepard would be penalized heavily if they don't import. Are you saying that Bioware is lying because you can't accept the truth?



Not importing doesn't effect the ME2 Experince outside of Cameo's and a few extra dialouge. Other than that it's practically the same exact game.



Ummm... Yes Tali is. She was 'RESEARCHING' the dieing Star in her Recruitment mission for data. Replay ME2 since you're blinded by your hate for me to even think rationally.



ME3 is already styated to happened 'AT LEAST' a few years after ME2. It isn't farfetched for all of them to leave after a few years. Hell, they all left when they thought Shepard was dead and did their own thing despite everything that Shepard did for them. Hell, only Liara cared to do anything after Shepard was supposedly killed in action.



Face the facts. Bioware has plans for them that compensate all scenerios and sadly Squaddie status DOESN'T compensate all scenerios just a select few that bitter fans hold. Which would only alienate even more Casualy Fans. After all, we even got a 'COMIC' because fans felt they missed out on ME1 but refuse to play it. If Bioware caves on that than I bet you that Bioware 'will' cave for ME3 when it comes to the deceased.

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...

Bioware outright stated multiple times that each ME game would be a Standalone Experience and no Shepard would be penalized heavily if they don't import. Are you saying that Bioware is lying because you can't accept the truth?

Not importing doesn't effect the ME2 Experince outside of Cameo's and a few extra dialouge. Other than that it's practically the same exact game.

Ummm... Yes Tali is. She was 'RESEARCHING' the dieing Star in her Recruitment mission for data. Replay ME2 since you're blinded by your hate for me to even think rationally.

ME3 is already styated to happened 'AT LEAST' a few years after ME2. It isn't farfetched for all of them to leave after a few years. Hell, they all left when they thought Shepard was dead and did their own thing despite everything that Shepard did for them. Hell, only Liara cared to do anything after Shepard was supposedly killed in action.

Face the facts. Bioware has plans for them that compensate all scenerios and sadly Squaddie status DOESN'T compensate all scenerios just a select few that bitter fans hold. Which would only alienate even more Casualy Fans. After all, we even got a 'COMIC' because fans felt they missed out on ME1 but refuse to play it. If Bioware caves on that than I bet you that Bioware 'will' cave for ME3 when it comes to the deceased.

Bioware has said time and time again that ME3 will show the full impact of ME1 and ME2 decisions and guess what, with out Wrex there is no unified Krogan so yes importing does impact the story. Too bad so sad. Stand alone to Bioware just means you can pick up the game and still understand what's going on, which is true. You can understand Reapers are invading and we need to stop them, you can understand that without ME1 and ME2.

Tali WAS NOT RESEARCHING SHE WAS COLLECTING DATA READINGS TO SEND BACK TO THE FLEET BIG DIFFERENCE!

The ME1 squad left because you DIED! Not time passed, YOU GOT KILLED! There is a big difference between leaving and moving on because someone died.

You need to face the facts that "every scenario" will not be met if they're NPCS because guess what, most of the scenarios have them sticking around on the Normandy/in the squad.

and finally since I need to repeat this twenty times for you. THE COMIC WAS NOT MADE SO THAT LAZY PEOPLE WOULDN'T NEED TO REPLAY ME1! IT WAS MADE SO THAT PEOPLE WHO IT WAS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO IMPORT FROM ME1 BECAUSE THEIR CONSOLE DOESN'T HAVE THE GAME COULD IMPORT! The only reason we got it on 360 and PC was so that we wouldn't feel "Left out" on content. Bioware has zero reason to make an ME2 comic.

[Elite Midget]

Full Impact without throwing out the Standalone experience. What you did in ME1 or ME2 will 'not' effect Max Squaddie Size or Gameplay balance in any way, shape, or form. Stop being selfish and thinking about only what 'you' want. You 'need' to think about those that actually 'lost' Squaddies or are so lazy that they wanted a comic over playing ME1 because that's the crowd that Bioware wants to appease.

Not really. You seem to believe it is when it's obviously research. She was trying to figure out 'why' this was happening and it's obvious she's reviewed the data upon occassion.

No body was found and only Liara believed other wise. Hell, none of the Squaddies seemed to
'care' about the Reaper threat after Shepard died. They didn't even try to prepare for the Reapers and now Bioware will give them that chance after their failure when Shepard died. This was thrown in our faces in E-Mails(Which you obviously haven't read), comments from others, and the fact that THEY HAVE MULTIPLE FATES!

Squaddie status DOES NOT compensate for MULTIPLE FATES.

You need to face facts that Bioware will compensate EVERY scenerio they can and not just what 'YOU' want. You're living in a pipe dream because MOST scenerio's have them outright state that they 'will' leave after the Collectors are dealt with.

Yes it was made for lazy people. For PS3 Owners it was compensation. For everyone else? It was the Whinners demands and Bioware caved. Deal with it.

Funny how 'you' care if 'you' are left out but don't care that by getting what 'you' want it means that 'others' must suffer to 'appease' 'YOU'.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 23 décembre 2010 - 07:46 .

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...

Full Impact without throwing out the Standalone experience. What you did in ME1 or ME2 will 'not' effect Max Squaddie Size or Gameplay balance in any way, shape, or form. Stop being selfish and thinking about only what 'you' want. You 'need' to think about those that actually 'lost' Squaddies or are so lazy that they wanted a comic over playing ME1 because that's the crowd that Bioware wants to appease.

Not really. You seem to believe it is when it's obviously research. She was trying to figure out 'why' this was happening and it's obvious she's reviewed the data upon occassion.

No body was found and only Liara believed other wise. Hell, none of the Squaddies seemed to
'care' about the Reaper threat after Shepard died. They didn't even try to prepare for the Reapers and now Bioware will give them that chance after their failure when Shepard died. This was thrown in our faces in E-Mails(Which you obviously haven't read), comments from others, and the fact that THEY HAVE MULTIPLE FATES!

Squaddie status DOES NOT compensate for MULTIPLE FATES.

You need to face facts that Bioware will compensate EVERY scenerio they can and not just what 'YOU' want. You're living in a pipe dream because MOST scenerio's have them outright state that they 'will' leave after the Collectors are dealt with.

Yes it was made for lazy people. For PS3 Owners it was compensation. For everyone else? It was the Whinners demands and Bioware caved. Deal with it.

Funny how 'you' care if 'you' are left out but don't care that by getting what 'you' want it means that 'others' must suffer to 'appease' 'YOU'.

It's funny how you seem to think what you want is right by saying that others are being selfish.

1. Tali specifically says the data is being sent back to the fleet for them to figure it out, Tali also says she doesn't care about the data and it's very obvious she has no interest in research so once again you're wrong, but thank you for playing
2. It's only a stand alone experience for people not importing and guess what Bioware has been gathering statisics on that so they won't have an impacting squad size, especially since 6 squadmates is all you need for balance and most ME2 squadmates are combat wise redundant.
3. I have read the emails and yes Kaiden/Ashley thought you were dead, Liara became an information broker specifically to help you and Wrex since the first game was talking about unifying the krogan people so once again, you are wrong.
4. The only way to compensate for every scenario is both squadmates and NPCs which is what I want, I don't want Samara returning as a squadmate for renegade players, I don't want Tali to return as a squadmate for people who disgraced her father, I don't want Thane to return as a squad mate if you didn't help his son. At the same time people who had a Justicar promise to fight the reapers with them should have their Justicar. You want to punish everyone who played ME2 because you're a selfish ****, I want all the scenarios covered so while you're busy being claiming your "facts" are why Bioware is going to completely shaft ME2, I'm busy advocating that Bioware keeps good on their promises and gives us a varied and diverse experience, not just based on "perfect" playthroughs.
5. Bioware only caved because people were saying that the PS3 was getting special content, it had NOTHING to do with laziness. Bioware promised that the PS3 would not get extra content and while I don't think the comic is extra content some people did so Bioware made sure to appease them. 

Finally if you're saying that bioware is going to cave to people then you're extra wrong in your whole argument of ME2 squadmates because guess what? The most vocal people who bioware would be caving to, want the ME2 squad back so by saying Bioware caves as a "fact" you're entire argument is now invalid. Congratulations you're a whole new level of wrong now, you're like super wrong.

So in summation, you're wrong, you have no facts, you're a probably troll, and I'm just going to repeatedly copy and paste this to your inevitable response until the sun explodes.

[Alienmorph]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Full Impact without throwing out the Standalone experience. What you did in ME1 or ME2 will 'not' effect Max Squaddie Size or Gameplay balance in any way, shape, or form. Stop being selfish and thinking about only what 'you' want. You 'need' to think about those that actually 'lost' Squaddies or are so lazy that they wanted a comic over playing ME1 because that's the crowd that Bioware wants to appease.

Not really. You seem to believe it is when it's obviously research. She was trying to figure out 'why' this was happening and it's obvious she's reviewed the data upon occassion.

No body was found and only Liara believed other wise. Hell, none of the Squaddies seemed to
'care' about the Reaper threat after Shepard died. They didn't even try to prepare for the Reapers and now Bioware will give them that chance after their failure when Shepard died. This was thrown in our faces in E-Mails(Which you obviously haven't read), comments from others, and the fact that THEY HAVE MULTIPLE FATES!

Squaddie status DOES NOT compensate for MULTIPLE FATES.

You need to face facts that Bioware will compensate EVERY scenerio they can and not just what 'YOU' want. You're living in a pipe dream because MOST scenerio's have them outright state that they 'will' leave after the Collectors are dealt with.

Yes it was made for lazy people. For PS3 Owners it was compensation. For everyone else? It was the Whinners demands and Bioware caved. Deal with it.

Funny how 'you' care if 'you' are left out but don't care that by getting what 'you' want it means that 'others' must suffer to 'appease' 'YOU'.

It's funny how you seem to think what you want is right by saying that others are being selfish.

1. Tali specifically says the data is being sent back to the fleet for them to figure it out, Tali also says she doesn't care about the data and it's very obvious she has no interest in research so once again you're wrong, but thank you for playing
2. It's only a stand alone experience for people not importing and guess what Bioware has been gathering statisics on that so they won't have an impacting squad size, especially since 6 squadmates is all you need for balance and most ME2 squadmates are combat wise redundant.
3. I have read the emails and yes Kaiden/Ashley thought you were dead, Liara became an information broker specifically to help you and Wrex since the first game was talking about unifying the krogan people so once again, you are wrong.
4. The only way to compensate for every scenario is both squadmates and NPCs which is what I want, I don't want Samara returning as a squadmate for renegade players, I don't want Tali to return as a squadmate for people who disgraced her father, I don't want Thane to return as a squad mate if you didn't help his son. At the same time people who had a Justicar promise to fight the reapers with them should have their Justicar. You want to punish everyone who played ME2 because you're a selfish ****, I want all the scenarios covered so while you're busy being claiming your "facts" are why Bioware is going to completely shaft ME2, I'm busy advocating that Bioware keeps good on their promises and gives us a varied and diverse experience, not just based on "perfect" playthroughs.
5. Bioware only caved because people were saying that the PS3 was getting special content, it had NOTHING to do with laziness. Bioware promised that the PS3 would not get extra content and while I don't think the comic is extra content some people did so Bioware made sure to appease them. 

Finally if you're saying that bioware is going to cave to people then you're extra wrong in your whole argument of ME2 squadmates because guess what? The most vocal people who bioware would be caving to, want the ME2 squad back so by saying Bioware caves as a "fact" you're entire argument is now invalid. Congratulations you're a whole new level of wrong now, you're like super wrong.

So in summation, you're wrong, you have no facts, you're a probably troll, and I'm just going to repeatedly copy and paste this to your inevitable response until the sun explodes.

Agreed at 100% Bamboozalist.

[Elite Midget]

I agree 0% with you. It seems that you're clouded by fanboyism, hate, and desire to get 'your' way instead of listening to logic, fact, and common sense. All I'm doing is trying to 'ease' the pain when Biolware announces the new Squaddies and how the old Squaddies aren't return to Squaddie status. There are just too many factors that makes intergrateing them into Squaddie Status for ME3 impossible unless they retcon all of ME2. Thus the best you can hope for is Cameos or even Temp Squaddie Status.

You're the one setting yourself up to dissapointment when Bioware reveals their plans.

If Fans continue to believe what they 'want' to believe while ignoreing what Bioware is telling them than they may be pushe away from ME3 despite it going to be a great game.

Over the years people change and people leave but that doesn't mean you should lie to yourself and demand they stay under your thumb instead of growing in importance as Bioware desires them too.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 23 décembre 2010 - 08:09 .

[Melra]

Elite Midget wrote...

I agree 0% with you. It seems that you're clouded by fanboyism, hate, and desire to get 'your' way instead of listening to logic, fact, and common sense. All I'm doing is trying to 'ease' the painwhen Biolware announces the new Squaddies and how the ol Squaddies aren't return to Squaddie status. There are just too many factors that makes intergrateing them into Squaddie Status for ME3 impossible unless they retcon all of ME2. Thus the best you can hope for is Cameos or even Temp Squaddie Status.

You're the one setting yourself up to dissapointment when Bioware reveals their plans.

Right.. 


U mad? 

[Bourne Endeavor]

@Elite Midget

Amusing enough you seemingly have concluded Bamboo is solitary in his opinion, and that only he desires the squad mates to return. It is widely apparent the vast majority of the fanbase wants at least certain squad mates in active duty for ME3. These threads are legion and have been since ME2's release. Bioware believes were amazed how many people imported files and therefore are expecting results and I bet you dollar to dime, "cheap Wrex-esque cameos" is not the results they sought.

I agree the more likely scenario is everyone is cameo'd due to the large scale variations associated with their return.

Despite this, it is not a proven fact nor will it ever be until Bioware offers such confirmation. I have purposed one alternative method and there have been others that would allow for the squad to return. Furthermore, you continuously voice the grievous bit of unjustified disregard of newcomers. How dare they not provide them the world, you say. I retort, how dare they not adhere to their own fanbase. If we see Garrus and Tali reduced to a cheap cameo the length to rival Ash/Kaidan. Do you honestly believe it will not effect sales? Their overwhelming popularity is enough to pose such a threat. Mass Effect 2 had the luxury of the unknown. We could only speculate what would become of our former squad. Still two returned, so the argument is lessened. Mass Effect 3 has no such fortunate and people scowl the Internet for even the slightest tidbit. The moment we here Garrus/Tali are camo'd, there will be backlash and I guarantee people will be weary of purchase. Not all, but some.

In any event, you are spewing nonsense because your opinion has been challenged. Frankly, this is now the third exchange I have had wherein I provide a plausible scenario to the alternative and you blatantly ignore it. Moreover, now you post essential lies unless you have links to bolster such claims. Bioware has nary once stated non-imported Shepard's would not be heavily penalized. I cannot recall them saying either way. A standalone experience is all the information I have thus far heard. Now this comic idiocy is simply that. It was created for the sole purpose of providing a means of import benefits to the PS3 because they have no access to Mass Effect. There has been not one ounce of documentation to suggest ME3 will have such a comic to accommodate lazy players. It is an insult to even suggest any company in this industry be it Bioware, Square-Enix or EA would consider it.

Sigh another thread ruined because someone cannot retract their arrogance enough to respect not everyone is in agreement with you and no nothing you have offered is fact. It is speculation, albeit with a "more than likely" aspect attached but speculation nonetheless.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 23 décembre 2010 - 08:10 .

[GodWood]

Elite Midget wrote...
ME3 is already styated to happened 'AT LEAST' a few years after ME2.

No.

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...

I agree 0% with you. It seems that you're clouded by fanboyism, hate, and desire to get 'your' way instead of listening to logic, fact, and common sense. All I'm doing is trying to 'ease' the pain when Biolware announces the new Squaddies and how the old Squaddies aren't return to Squaddie status. There are just too many factors that makes intergrateing them into Squaddie Status for ME3 impossible unless they retcon all of ME2. Thus the best you can hope for is Cameos or even Temp Squaddie Status.

You're the one setting yourself up to dissapointment when Bioware reveals their plans.

If Fans continue to believe what they 'want' to believe while ignoreing what Bioware is telling them than they may be pushe away from ME3 despite it going to be a great game.

People change, people leave, but that doesn't mean you should lie to yourself and demand they stay under your thumb instead of growing in importance as Bioware desires them too.

I'm sorry I can't hear your "facts and common sense" but I can't over the sound of Bioware caving into all the "whinners" who want their ME2 squad back, you know the majority of these forums, professional reviewers, critics, and basically everyone who isn't you. Maybe I could hear you but "bioware always caves" so I can't. I guess you will just have to keep beating your head into a wall with that "logic" of yours. Oh well that sucks. Also three flags is not too many factors.

[Elite Midget]

Bamboo can lie to themselves but it is Bamboo that will be dissapointed when the truth is announced. Better to prepare for the 'worst' the compensates all scenerio's than living in a pipe dream where only 'your' way is the right way.



You can't change the fact that many can die in many ways, that Bioware dropped many hints on why they will leave you, the fact that ME3 starts years after ME2, and finally that many say that they 'will' leave you no matter what unless you shag them. Even than they don't say that they would stay on as a 'Squaddie'.



Bioware has a history of discarding the old with the new. Especially with their most recent games.



How is it 'nonesense' when I'm stateing the most realistic, cost effective, appeases all fans as much as possible for all scenerios, and 'doable' path that Bioware can take without throwing out their promise of each game being a standalone experience. If anything, it's nonesense to believe that it's 'They all live despite all these factors or the 'favorites' live over the 'non-favorites' even if it discriminates against some fans' instead.

[Elite Midget]

GodWood wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...
ME3 is already styated to happened 'AT LEAST' a few years after ME2.

No.

You didn't 'read' Retribution did you?

Read tha before dismissing what is the truth, hmmm?

[Alienmorph]

Elite Midget wrote...

I agree 0% with you. It seems that
you're clouded by fanboyism, hate, and desire to get 'your' way instead
of listening to logic, fact, and common sense. All I'm doing is trying
to 'ease' the pain when Biolware announces the new Squaddies and how the
old Squaddies aren't return to Squaddie status. There are just too many
factors that makes intergrateing them into Squaddie Status for ME3
impossible unless they retcon all of ME2. Thus the best you can hope for
is Cameos or even Temp Squaddie Status.

You're the one setting yourself up to dissapointment when Bioware reveals their plans.

If
Fans continue to believe what they 'want' to believe while ignoreing
what Bioware is telling them than they may be pushe away from ME3
despite it going to be a great game.

Over the years people
change and people leave but that doesn't mean you should lie to yourself
and demand they stay under your thumb instead of growing in importance
as Bioware desires them too.

You know that BW announce
something like 2 months after the release of ME2 that ME3 will be based
on 1000 variables and that will be based on every vaguely important
decision you took in the previuos game, right? And considering that
characters are the most importan variable... well, do your counts. And
before you ask, go on Gamespost or on any other important videogaming
site and check the ME3 related articles if you don't believe me.

GodWood wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...
ME3 is already styated to happened 'AT LEAST' a few years after ME2.

No.

Considering the events narrated in novels and comics it's alredy estimated that ME3 will be set something from 6 months-1 year after ME2. Maybe 2, doing a pessimist evaluation. Surely not 5-10 years after.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 23 décembre 2010 - 08:20 .

[Elite Midget]

Bamboozalist wrote...

I'm sorry I can't hear your "facts and common sense" but I can't over the sound of Bioware caving into all the "whinners" who want their ME2 squad back, you know the majority of these forums, professional reviewers, critics, and basically everyone who isn't you. Maybe I could hear you but "bioware always caves" so I can't. I guess you will just have to keep beating your head into a wall with that "logic" of yours. Oh well that sucks. Also three flags is not too many factors.

I feel sorry for you. When ME3 is revealed and we get a new Squad I have a feeling that you will become nothing but a troll spewing rage against Bioware for not bring back the dead as your Guns to orer around instead of them growing as Characters. Doesn't matter what 'we' want if it contradicts what 'Bioware' wants. Look at WoW. MANY Fans wanted a Warcraft 4 and instead got an MMO. It didn't matter what 'many' wanted because it came down to what 'Blizzard' wanted which was an MMO.

You know nothing. I wanted 'none' of them killable but that doesn't change facts. They 'are' killable and what I so 'wont' change what direction that Bioware has plannecd for them. You need to wise up and understand that as well. What 'you' want isn't what 'Bioware' wants. Deal with it. I know this is will take time for ou to comprehend but I'm hopeful you will before ME3 hits.

Kkinda hard to beat logic, common sense, and truth when all you have is a pipe dream of 'your' ideal ME2->ME3 import.

[Elite Midget]

Remember 'all the variables' from ME1->ME2? What did it give us? Cameo's for everyone could die and the such. The Gameplay and te Story Arc of ME2 was 'not' severely effected. So don't try and throw these 'variables' when we 'all' saw what those variables meant for importing to ME2.



Ashley/Kaiden was more important than Garrus in ME1 yet they got a short Cameo and that was it. So that throws out your 'characters are important' variable when those that 'can' die were forced into Cameo Roles despite their 'importance'.

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

I'm sorry I can't hear your "facts and common sense" but I can't over the sound of Bioware caving into all the "whinners" who want their ME2 squad back, you know the majority of these forums, professional reviewers, critics, and basically everyone who isn't you. Maybe I could hear you but "bioware always caves" so I can't. I guess you will just have to keep beating your head into a wall with that "logic" of yours. Oh well that sucks. Also three flags is not too many factors.

I feel sorry for you. When ME3 is revealed and we get a new Squad I have a feeling that you will become nothing but a troll spewing rage against Bioware for not bring back the dead as your Guns to orer around instead of them growing as Characters. Doesn't matter what 'we' want if it contradicts what 'Bioware' wants. Look at WoW. MANY Fans wanted a Warcraft 4 and instead got an MMO. It didn't matter what 'many' wanted because it came down to what 'Blizzard' wanted which was an MMO.

You know nothing. I wanted 'none' of them killable but that doesn't change facts. They 'are' killable and what I so 'wont' change what direction that Bioware has plannecd for them. You need to wise up and understand that as well. What 'you' want isn't what 'Bioware' wants. Deal with it. I know this is will take time for ou to comprehend but I'm hopeful you will before ME3 hits.

Kkinda hard to beat logic, common sense, and truth when all you have is a pipe dream of 'your' ideal ME2->ME3 import.

Remember how you said that Bioware always caves to the whinners? Well I guess that means we're getting our ME2 squad. Sorry I would like to argue but your own words just proved me right.

Also the novel takes place ONE year after ME2 not several.

You're entirely right Elite Midget bioware always does cave, that's exactly why we're getting our ME2 squad back.

[Elite Midget]

The Whinners they cave in are the Casuals 'not the hardcore'. Thus they will 'not' compromise ME3 by trying to appease the vocal minority. I'm sure 'many' of the Whinners would 'love' to see how the Deceased have evolved and changed after growing independent of Shepard.



quite frankly, their deaths have sealed their fates to a higher purpose than being Shepard's Gun.

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...

Remember 'all the variables' from ME1->ME2? What did it give us? Cameo's for everyone could die and the such. The Gameplay and te Story Arc of ME2 was 'not' severely effected. So don't try and throw these 'variables' when we 'all' saw what those variables meant for importing to ME2.

Ashley/Kaiden was more important than Garrus in ME1 yet they got a short Cameo and that was it. So that throws out your 'characters are important' variable when those that 'can' die were forced into Cameo Roles despite their 'importance'.

You're forgetting that Bioware already addressed why that happened. Specifically because it was the second game in the trilogy, they then said with ME3 they don't have to worry about the next game so they can make them impact it a lot more than in ME2. There is a FACT for you and your diluted "truth".

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...

The Whinners they cave in are the Casuals 'not the hardcore'. Thus they will 'not' compromise ME3 by trying to appease the vocal minority. I'm sure 'many' of the Whinners would 'love' to see how the Deceased have evolved and changed after growing independent of Shepard.

quite frankly, their deaths have sealed their fates to a higher purpose than being Shepard's Gun.

Once again showing how utterly wrong you are, seriously you really need to teach me how to be that wrong. The vocal minority is the ones who don't want the squad back, the majority of people including critics don't want the squad reduced to NPCs, so sorry, you're just wrong. You're in the minority. So yes Bioware will be caving just like you said because of the whinners, congratulations, part of your argument was so wrong that it imploded and ended up being right.

[Melra]

Also, do these people look like they'll be done with Shepard, after Collectors are dealt with?

[Alienmorph]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

The Whinners they cave in are the Casuals 'not the hardcore'. Thus they will 'not' compromise ME3 by trying to appease the vocal minority. I'm sure 'many' of the Whinners would 'love' to see how the Deceased have evolved and changed after growing independent of Shepard.

quite frankly, their deaths have sealed their fates to a higher purpose than being Shepard's Gun.

Once again showing how utterly wrong you are, seriously you really need to teach me how to be that wrong. The vocal minority is the ones who don't want the squad back, the majority of people including critics don't want the squad reduced to NPCs, so sorry, you're just wrong. You're in the minority. So yes Bioware will be caving just like you said because of the whinners, congratulations, part of your argument was so wrong that it imploded and ended up being right.

It's the classic structure for a trilogy-based franchise. You do the first chapter standalone, seeiyng if it reaches success, than you made the other two thinking them as an unique thing. It is done since the times of the first Star Wars trilogy. The amount of "useless cameos" in ME1 should be considered a proof of how much BW wants to make a saga that can be seen as unique long story, and not as line of 3 standalone games with the same protagonist. In the moment they proceeded with ME2 and 3 they planned how to finish everything keeping the focus on the important things... even if you're right and every squadtame will become NpC they'll still be relevant in terms of plot development, and not just cammoed. Ash/Kaiden had a small rhole just because the Alliance itself was secondary, but in ME3 this will change, so yoy can be sure that the VS will have some hudge relevance.