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[LadyJaneGrey]

Vodinoi wrote...

Do you like DA: Origins adult content? Does anyone have ideas for such content? What kind of adult content you are using for your game? What would you like to see?

Did anyone else think of Calvin and Hobbes?  Their defintion of  "adult content" was the parents paying bills.

[Rvlion]

To be perfectly honest, when first encountering a piece of the "adult" content I was a little dissapointed. Not that I wanted to see them going at it, but like some have said... Lose the underpants and bra. Sex for me is total nudity, the whole cutscene like it is now is more like a piece of extended foreplay. Also a cutscene in one of the tents would also be a lot more realistic. Having some quality time with Morrigan at that seperate camp fire looks fun, but with the other compagnions and the 2 dwarven merchants at 10-20 meters away it does look a bit strange. Other then lose the underwear I have no need for extended adult scenes. I hate this in regular movies, see them as time that needed to be filled up with something useless.

[abaris]

BUT, I think that needs to be truly for adults only. There is nothing that I can see other than the author's disclaimer stopping kids from downloading that mod. I am a believer in sheltering minors from stuff that they might not be ready to see, so I certainly don't think that the official version of the game needs to have anything R or X rated in it, even if the game rating is M or 18+, because those game ratings are mostly for parents to look at, and I don't think they get enforced very well.

But isn't that a little bit contradictory?

On a different board I read some post of a mother asking for some non adult content because she wanted to play with their kids.

So, to get that straight: It's perfectly OK for kids to see chopped off heads and abundant blood splatter (features of the vanilla game), but it might seriously hurt them to see breasts or some hint on sexual intercourse.

[Corker]

mousestalker wrote...

Erika T wrote...

The romance adds a lot to the game, but I enjoy more the road to sex than sex itself in the game, if you know what I mean. Once you had sex with someone, thats really it for romancing (except for morrigan) which is kind of a shame. I think there should be more romancing and less consummating

Every time you sleep with Zevran his approval goes up one. Romance with Zevran gets better with time it seems.

Also, there's a pretty key bit of dialogue with him you'll never get if you don't ask him to tent time after he's hit Love.  He pulls a freak-out like Morrigan, too.  So yeah, there's some stuff you'd miss if you hit it and quit it.

[mousestalker]

I'd love adult content. The single best movie I've seen in years was the "King's Speech" and it's all adult content. It's completely written for grown ups. Children would be bored senseless by it. If I could play a computer game that was as adult oriented as that movie I would be very very happy.



But that's not what you meant, is it?



I'm married. I can see all the nakedness I want on a daily basis. If ever I would want more, the Internet can deliver any variation on physical contact the human mind can conceive of and more (Rule 34 and all that). What's interesting and fun is how we all relate to each other. We don't really need to test the limits of the uncanny valley to get rich, deep, satisfying stories about relationships. If I have one fear about DA2 and sex it's that the game developers will cross into Team America territory in showing what happens. I'd rather it be left mostly to the imagination.



/incoherent rant



PS You kids get offa my lawn!

[Dawnhorn]

I'm cautious with it:



ME 1 did it correctly because it wasn't awkward. DA:O seemed uncomfortable being in underwear during an intimate scene. To me, I'd rather eliminate the scene if it's not done correctly. Likewise, if it's too over the top that it is explicit, I'd lean toward striking that out as well.



If it's appropriate and flows, I'm for it. If not, I'd say don't even attempt.

[SPCTRE]

I find the "adult content" to be pretty tame for a 18+ rated game (German rating).



While I don't play DA:O to watch pr0n-like cutscenes , I would certainly prefer a more "adult" approach as well as more elaborate camerawork.



Think "Basic Instinct". That's the artistic standard I would want them to shoot for.

[abaris]

I always find it quite bizarre that there's so much fuzz about so called adult content, which basically means sexual and not one peep about chopped off heads and gore.



Don't get me wrong, I'm not bothered by either, but as I said above: A nudity concerned mother seems rather hilarious, considering its perfectly OK with her to take her kiddies on a head chop expedition.



But maybe that's just my European point of view.

[Realranger55]

How come you never see these discussions about similarly rated films?

[yarrum k]

As long as the sex is optional it does not offend me in any way.



The relationship part just seems to be another way to build the team and it seems to work okay.



One famous game even has children which I find amusing for an RPG.

[AngleWyrm]

There's sex in this game? Oh goodie, I've got to play some more!

Realranger55 wrote...
How come you never see these discussions about similarly rated films?

Check out the movie Splice. That was hot.

Modifié par AngleWyrm, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:36 .

[abaris]

One famous game even has children which I find amusing for an RPG.

Which would that be?

[Darkly Tranquil]

Realranger55 wrote...

How come you never see these discussions about similarly rated films?

Because many people, particularly those of a conservative bent, have great difficulty is understanding that the gaming industry has grown up and so has its audience. Kids are no longer the main target audience for video games (except perhaps for Nintendo). Various studies I have seen indicate that adults aged 21-34 constitute the primary audience for video games.

People do not bat an eyelid at the idea of people seeing sex and violence in movies because they know that some movies are for kids and others are for adults. But due to their preconceptions about the nature of video games and their intended target audience, they have a much harder time getting their heads around the idea of sex (particularly) in videogames (violence seems to be okay, go figure).

As for the original question...

I'm absolutely fine with adult content provided that it is within context and not gratuitous. Dragon Age is meant to be 'dark fantasy', so mature/adult themes including adult relationships and sex fall within the scope of the genre. As long as the adult content handled tastefully, it should be fine.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

I haven't read all the comments, but my two cents:

One problem I see when it comes to adult content in video games vs. adult content in movies is that video games are not rated the same as movies are. 

For example, if a movie were to be made of Rumbles Roses XX with all the outfits the game includes but no cussing or anything, the movie would be rated PG-13.  However, the game itself remails MA because of that "partial nudity" in the skimpy swimsuits.  Or even better example, look at an existing games vs. movie franchise... Dead or Alive.  The DoA movie is PG-13, yet the games remain MA.

Part of this "problem" is the way video games are viewed by the powers that be.  Much as us adult gamers hate it, many people still think video games are for kids, and to me the ESRB tends to rule more with that in mind. 

EDIT : As another example I just thought of that is glaring and even Bioware related, look at Mass Effect 1's romance scenes vs. ME2 and DA:O's.  When ME came out the anti-adult video games crowd cried foul at the OMG NUDITY of the SIDE of Liara's breast being shown (no nipples) and so now in ME2 and DAO we have them staying in their underclothes, because Bioware did not want that kind of negative reviews harming ME2 and DAO like it did ME1.

EDIT 2 : Though I just again thought... what about Mother? I mean seriously... nice job on her breasts, Bioware.  Yet, the non-monster characters have to wear a bra at all times?

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:51 .

[DRAGON HANTER]

IT have some more realistic sozial aroundments than other Gamings. If you do not mess the mage in play. or that power behound" The possibilitys to Medivel time.!

[eucatastrophe]

Using some mods here, but really, they aren't all that great. For the love scenes, I find that a no-clothing mod along with DA's original scenes has the best effect.

Fade-to-black is so much more impactful than seeing everything IMO.

[AngleWyrm]

Can you link the no clothing mod? I prefer bare ****** over American modesty.

Modifié par AngleWyrm, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:01 .

[abaris]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

I haven't read all the comments, but my two cents:

One problem I see when it comes to adult content in video games vs. adult content in movies is that video games are not rated the same as movies are. 

And that's exactly where hypocrisy kicks in with a vengeance. Pretty much every game is about fight something to achieve a goal with more or less graphic death scenes and gun- or sword-slinging.

Well, according to these concerned lobbies that's perfectly OK, but beware of bare privates. That would seriously hurt the kids.

[Sandbox47]

No. More adult content is needed. There is not nearly enough. Also, the outfits are too ugly. (I know it might sound sarcastic, but it's not. I do really think this way)

[Marvin_Arnold]

abaris wrote...

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

I haven't read all the comments, but my two cents:

One problem I see when it comes to adult content in video games vs. adult content in movies is that video games are not rated the same as movies are. 

And that's exactly where hypocrisy kicks in with a vengeance. Pretty much every game is about fight something to achieve a goal with more or less graphic death scenes and gun- or sword-slinging.

Well, according to these concerned lobbies that's perfectly OK, but beware of bare privates. That would seriously hurt the kids.

Actually, it's as bad in the movies as well. Have people getting killed in the most grotesque or intrusive way (see "Mars Attacks" (but that's just one example)) and you still get a 12 or PG-13 rating, whereas a single exposed nipple can boost the rating up into the stratosphere and have whole mass organizations picket your home and office...
(We sure know why we kicked those puritans out of Europe...too bad for the US, though.)

Modifié par Marvin_Arnold, 14 janvier 2011 - 12:49 .

[mousestalker]

eucatastrophe wrote...

Using some mods here, but really, they aren't all that great. For the love scenes, I find that a no-clothing mod along with DA's original scenes has the best effect.

Fade-to-black is so much more impactful than seeing everything IMO.

I agree. Computer animated love scenes are generally lacking. You have uncanny valley problems, clipping, lining up different body sizes, it's an endless list. My suspension bridge of disbelief usually comes crashing down once I see the polygons of body parts (Alistar with a dwarf is especially cringeworthy unmodded).

[seramiran]

I'm glad that others have pointed out that 'adult content' has several meanings.

For me it's a matter of complexity, not shock. Are the ideas complex? If yes, then it's adult content.

Yet ... We start teaching our children about honesty, courtesy, truth, good, and bad before we send them off to kindergarten. That they can learn these things at a young age shows that it is the complexity, not the subject that makes the difference between childish and adult things.

Usually, as in this thread I think, 'adult content' refers to sex, from dialog to nudity and on. Violence gets it's own set of hang-ups. If you want to shield your kids from either, then pay attention to what they do; don't censor the rest of us. To object to naked skin while not worrying that your kid just decapitated a fully armored warrior or burned some rogue to a crisp is creepy to me.

The game has adult content because it addresses ideas of honesty, loyalty, respect and requires that your actions have consequences. That you can build relationships of friendship and romance adds greatly to the game, all are difficult and interesting concepts.

As before, these are also the lessons we start teaching our children when very young. Again, it's degree. In this game, the ideas are more complex than usual and perhaps more appropriate for older teenagers on up.

And after that long preamble (thank you to anyone still reading) my answer is I use a nudity mod, better sex scenes, have the same sex restrictions lifted, and a couple armor sets that are really too silly to use.

I am often impressed by the ideas people have for mods, and that they are willing to share them. I wouldn't presume to make requests.

[abaris]

And after that long preamble (thank you to anyone still reading) my answer is I use a nudity mod, better sex scenes, have the same sex restrictions lifted, and a couple armor sets that are really too silly to use.

Pretty much the same here although I never got the armor sets to work properly.

On the other hand I turned persistent gore off. Not because I was shocked or anything like that, but because I felt it didn't feel real.

Not to derail this topic, but I think it shines a bright light on the hypocritical mainstream about games, movies and tv. Doesn't anyone else feel its a little bit odd, that in series as CSI even the bodies on the slab are covered whilst the audience can freely watch the post mortem in all its gory details?

[seramiran]

I can't make up my mind on the gore. A splash or a stain makes sense, but to be splattered front and back, like a painting, is a bit much. And I just discovered that dog will clean you up!!! Creepy that.



Yep. The shining light genitalia in NCIS is hilarious. Watching a bullet travel through the body, seeing injuries recreated in gory detail is both interesting and cringe worthy.



There is an absurd disconnect between what is really harmful and what is upsetting.

[BladeParker]

Realranger55 wrote...

How come you never see these discussions about similarly rated films?

Short answer... Dumb parents think every video game is made for kids.