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[Last Vizard]

Legion didn't say how far they were with building it, but when you hear the reports about Geth ships on the move, i assumed that the Geth(with the help of converted heritics) we all returning to sphere to hurry construction so they are ready for the Reapers... might just be wishful thinking though.

[In Exile]

Vaenier wrote...
The Jupiter Brain sounds alot more feasable. Also alot more useful seeing how there arent that many Geth to fill a Dyson Sphere with.

? Geth are information. They could fill a thumbtack if it had the information.

[Last Vizard]

double post

Modifié par Last Vizard, 24 décembre 2010 - 01:08 .

[Pacifien]

Vaenier wrote...
So if a Dyson Sphere is impossible/impractacle for them to construct, how are they supoed to build multiple spheres for the M brain?

The Jupiter Brain sounds alot more feasable. Also alot more useful seeing how there arent that many Geth to fill a Dyson Sphere with.

A solid sphere isn't exactly what Dyson was proposing, but a series of shells is. A Dyson Sphere would be far more powerful than a Jupiter Brain ever could simply based on its energy source.

What is feasible and practical really isn't a concern considering this is science fiction. Doing the unfathomable is a staple of science fiction territory. Who is to say what the geth are capable of achieving?

[Spartas Husky]

Pacifien wrote...

Vaenier wrote...
So if a Dyson Sphere is impossible/impractacle for them to construct, how are they supoed to build multiple spheres for the M brain?

The Jupiter Brain sounds alot more feasable. Also alot more useful seeing how there arent that many Geth to fill a Dyson Sphere with.

A solid sphere isn't exactly what Dyson was proposing, but a series of shells is. A Dyson Sphere would be far more powerful than a Jupiter Brain ever could simply based on its energy source.

What is feasible and practical really isn't a concern considering this is science fiction. Doing the unfathomable is a staple of science fiction territory. Who is to say what the geth are capable of achieving?

I am imagining a Star Forge(S) type of brains all conected by beans of light syphoning a star for energy.... that is what I get the feeling the Geth are coming up with

[Bogsnot1]

Vaenier wrote...
Also, that picture is not a Dyson Sphere. That is a picture of a Forerunner shield world being constructed. A Dyson Sphere has a radius of 1 AU, earth's distance from the sun.

A dyson sphere doesnt have a set radius. It can be built around a planet, star, entire solar system, and theoretically, even around an entire galaxy. The more you contain, the more energy you can harvest from what is inside.
Galactic discovery of mass effect fields has rendered the need for a Dyson sphere in ME obsolete. The Geth, however, wish to forge their own path through technological advancement, so it stands to reason that a sphere, or something close to it, would be a research project the Geth would undertake.

Any race capable of building a Dyson Sphere does not need one.

Agreed, with one exception. A central hub, free from mass effect fields (thus free from reaper tech), being powered from all of the energy contained within a star, would be the ultimate homeworld for the Geth.

[jayred vas normandy]

from what i got from dialog , it would be a construct more along the lines of huge starship sized body of some kind that all the geth could then upload to. (Reaper body was offered to geth that followed him) dont think it as big as a star but the size of a reaper maybe

[jayred vas normandy]

Sovie offered geth reaper body

[Pacifien]

Believe me, if Legion meant the geth were making one massive platform for all of them to inhabit, the use of dyson sphere as an analogy is... a bit past exaggeration on his part then. I'd say a dyson sphere eclipses even the reapers' ambitions.

[Vaenier]

Pacifien wrote...

What is feasible and practical really isn't a concern considering this is science fiction. Doing the unfathomable is a staple of science fiction territory. Who is to say what the geth are capable of achieving?

If they can achieve that, they could magically wish away the Reapers from existance. Even Scifi has to submit to some realism.

[Pacifien]

They haven't even built the thing yet, what makes you think they are capable of doing anything to the Reapers at this stage?

[Vaenier]

Pacifien wrote...

They haven't even built the thing yet, what makes you think they are capable of doing anything to the Reapers at this stage?

Didnt Legion say the Geth were in the process of constructing it?

If they were constructing it, either they feel they can finish by the time the Reapers arrive and just hide in it, or they have ceased all construction in order to focus on defenses to stop the Reapers.

Modifié par Vaenier, 24 décembre 2010 - 03:41 .

[Pacifien]

Legion mentions the dyson sphere in relation to the geth needing to find purpose in their existence. The dyson sphere is a long-term goal in that regards, I suspect. Achieving it is probably akin to spiritual transcendence, or a technological singularity as I mentioned earlier.

[Vaenier]

Pacifien wrote...

Legion mentions the dyson sphere in relation to the geth needing to find purpose in their existence. The dyson sphere is a long-term goal in that regards, I suspect. Achieving it is probably akin to spiritual transcendence, or a technological singularity as I mentioned earlier.

I thought he was talking about current projects. My bad.

That is one very long term goal. I think they should focus on the problem at hand in ME3 first. We need some giant warships, not space stations

[Pacifien]

Vaenier wrote...
I thought he was talking about current projects. My bad.

That is one very long term goal. I think they should focus on the problem at hand in ME3 first. We need some giant warships, not space stations

Blame Shepard, he was the one asking about it.

[didymos1120]

Vaenier wrote...

Didnt Legion say the Geth were in the process of constructing it?

He did:

[Bogsnot1]

Vaenier wrote...
That is one very long term goal. I think they should focus on the problem at hand in ME3 first. We need some giant warships, not space stations

Especially when half completed space stations can be blown up with the help of ewoks.

[xlavaina]

I hope that everyone understands how big a Dyson sphere is... It has to be large enough to completely enclose a star. The sheer amount of resources needed to build that would be staggering. Hundred's of planets worth. Additionally, how would one protect the sphere from destabilization? Solar flares would undoubtedly knock the sphere out of position after a while. You'd need thrusters (or in the ME world, extremely powerful mass effect fields) so powerful they'd soak up oceans worth of fuel at a time just to stabilize the sphere, if that itself is even possible.



I just can't see that being done, even as far as the ME universe is into the future.



As stated so well before in this thread "Any race that can build one doesn't need it". This is so true.

[didymos1120]

xlavaina wrote...

I hope that everyone understands how big a Dyson sphere is... 

OK, so, none of that matters because the geth aren't building a Dyson sphere.  Exact quote, from the vid above (bolding mine):

"A megastucture. The closest analogue you have is a Dyson sphere."

It's actually a giant computing complex they're making so that god knows how many individual geth runtimes will all be able to be uploaded and run simultaneously, thereby forming one enormous geth superintelligence, at which point they'll figure out their next move.

Modifié par didymos1120, 24 décembre 2010 - 05:58 .

[Pacifien]

xlavaina wrote...
Additionally, how would one protect the sphere from destabilization?

Don't build it as a solid sphere for one.

[Pacifien]

I imagine the most important aspect of the dyson sphere analogy is Legion's comment on the geth's biggest limitation: proximity to each other. To maximize their potential, the geth would need to situate themselves in a manner that provides greatest computational speed and power with a source of energy to suit all their needs. This is why people theorize about dyson spheres as this is exactly what a dyson sphere is supposed to achieve.

Modifié par Pacifien, 24 décembre 2010 - 06:02 .

[Bogsnot1]

Pacifien wrote...

xlavaina wrote...
Additionally, how would one protect the sphere from destabilization?

Don't build it as a solid sphere for one.

Geodesic Dome is the answer.
http://en.wikipedia....i/Geodesic_dome

As for keeping it in place, magnets. Great big electromagnets to actually contain the plasma of the sun in a sphere and not allow flares to pop out. Sufficient sensors to monitor distance, tied in to the power level of the magnets to strengthen or weaken as required, would maintain a stable orbit. You wouldnt need to use any form of fuel, as both light and heat energy extracted from the inside of the sphere would be monumental.

[Googlesaurus]

Legion wasn't very clear on the purpose of the analogy.

[didymos1120]

Googlesaurus wrote...

Legion wasn't very clear on the purpose of the analogy.

It doesn't really matter what precisely was meant by that.  The important thing is that it is an analogy, and that means that whatever it really is, it's not a Dyson sphere.

[Iakus]

Pacifien wrote...

I imagine the most important aspect of the dyson sphere analogy is Legion's comment on the geth's biggest limitation: proximity to each other. To maximize their potential, the geth would need to situate themselves in a manner that provides greatest computational speed and power with a source of energy to suit all their needs. This is why people theorize about dyson spheres as this is exactly what a dyson sphere is supposed to achieve.

Maybe instead of a Dyson Sphere we should just call it a Dyson Server?