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[Gleym]

I'd consider forking over $60 for a game if it wasn't hashed out in under a year of development, meaning it's prone to be riddled with flaws, plus half the game missing so they can charge another accumulative $30-40 for DLCs that add everything they removed.

[SirVincealot]

Internet providers are busy funding very powerful lobbyists in Washington to turn the Internet into a Frankenstein of the "best" features of the Apple app store and your basic cable bill. They are working with some powerful friends in order to bring this about, among them Google and members of congress.



In fragrant opposition with everything that has made the Net what it is, the Chicago school of Economics is trying to have its way, attacking on multiple fronts (the "evil" of Wikileaks, the "evil" of software pirates, the "evil" of pornography, etc) with the ultimate goal of killing net neutrality. Deep packet inspection, pipe throttling, IP masks, content-sensitive denial of service; the very best computing minds are on board creating currents to herd all the little fishes.



If you're posting here, you have access to a somewhat unregulated platform from an unmonitored access point: games going up $10 ought to be rather low in your list of issues.

[sinosleep]

I can't care about net neutrality AND being price gouged? I really don't see how one relates to the other. That's no different from the "I pay through the nose in Serbia so you shouldn't care you aren't getting ripped off as bad in the US" argument.



Are there more important things? Yes. Does that in any way shape or form effect whether or not getting screwed out of 10 bucks is getting screwed out of 10 bucks? Nah, not really.

[ianmcdonald]

I don't know. I think it'd be pretty easy to have an extra $10 set aside by the time the game comes out.

Modifié par ianmcdonald, 12 janvier 2011 - 05:11 .

[AdamNW]

Console owners have to pay an extra ten dollars per game for version worse than the PC version. Not to mention you can actually use your computer for many other things than just gaming.



You're better off.

[sinosleep]

We're not getting a better game, we have a better user interface with which to use said game. PC ports of console games these days are rather ****, usually resulting in....

low res textures
console biased UIs (no keyboard shortcuts on menus)
low res cinematics

and a host of other issues while most of the advantages have nothing to do with the actual developers of the game.

We have higher resolutions because we have newer video cards not cause of the devs
We have a better control scheme cause the PC uses a keyboard and mouse not cause of the devs
We have more modding due to the community NOT the devs.

So no, we shouldn't have to pay extra for things WE provided all on our own any damned way.

p.s. Dragon Age doesn't count, it was developed as PC first game and NOT a console port like ME 1 and ME 2.

Modifié par sinosleep, 12 janvier 2011 - 05:26 .

[iggy4566]

sinosleep wrote...

We're not getting a better game, we have a better user interface with which to use said game. PC ports of console games these days are rather ****, usually resulting in....

low res textures
console biased UIs (no keyboard shortcuts on menus)
low res cinematics

and a host of other issues while most of the advantages have nothing to do with the actual developers of the game.

We have higher resolutions because we have newer video cards not cause of the devs
We have a better control scheme cause the PC uses a keyboard and mouse not cause of the devs
We have more modding due to the community NOT the devs.

So no, we shouldn't have to pay extra for things WE provided all on our own any damned way.

p.s. Dragon Age doesn't count, it was developed as PC first game and NOT a console port like ME 1 and ME 2.

And you said that you weren't crying about it you should take a chill pill because your gettin way too worked up about this most likely non final price. 

PS: try to be less of a prat and just cause you game on a PC doesn't mean your entitled to something.

Modifié par iggy4566, 12 janvier 2011 - 09:01 .

[kill_switch_423]

amers1015 wrote...

kill_switch_423 wrote...

So...the complaint is that you will have to pay the same amount as us console gamers? (I'd be PC if I had the capability, but my comp is too weak... >.>

Edit:  Ok, so.... why should PC games be any cheaper? If there is a valid, factually-based reason, then go ahead and complain.  However, I see no reason that the PC version should be priced differently.

They should in all fairness be $10 cheaper based on the fact that every time a console game is purchased $10 has to go immediately to Sony or MS.  There is no such issue with the PC.  So why *would* I think it's fair to pay the same price?  Console gamers chose their platforms and I chose mine.  There are added expenses with consoles that PCs don't have.  So where is the extra $10 going that they are charging PC gamers?  Do I get something that the console players don't?  If not, I fail to understand this move. 

Ah, very well then.  I didn't realize M$/Apple didn't take the same levy for PC games.  Fair enough, complain as you will.  

Though one could argue that PC Versions are arguably superior, therfore worth the extra ten bucks, but meh.  Another argument.

[Ozzyfan223]

I don't get it. Its 10 DOLLARS. Man, so much fuss over an insignificant amount. I think you should show support for bioware and buy it and not pirate it.

plus, we console gamers have been paying 60 bucks since 2005, so get over yourselves PC gamers

[Flatfrogger]

LOL at all the console gamers in this thread "wub wub we pay 60 on consoles so you pay 60 on PC cause it no fair wub wub"

[charmingcharlie]

kill_switch_423 wrote...

Though one could argue that PC Versions are arguably superior, therfore worth the extra ten bucks, but meh.  Another argument.

The PC version is arguably superior because PC gamers invest in their  hardware, we don't expect to get a device for a few hundred dollars and then make do with it for 5 - 6 years.  Yeah sure Bioware optimise the game well but then they do that on the console as well.  The fact we can run the game at 1080p and over 60fps is because we paid a pretty packet for our fancy graphics cards and hardware.

Ozzyfan223 wrote...
plus, we console gamers have been paying 60 bucks since 2005, so get over yourselves PC gamers

Yes we know console gamers have been paying 60 bucks since 2005 because for the 2,000th time you guys have to pay a $10 royalty to your console manufacturer.  If you didn't have to pay the $10 to your console manufacturer you would be paying $50, the same price as PC gamers.

However here  is something for some console users to ponder on.  When EA and Activision start seeing the revenue from a $60 PC game they are going to start thinking "hm we should get the same revenue from console users too" and it won't be long before you guys are paying $70 for your games.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 12 janvier 2011 - 10:47 .

[FearMonkey]

Yeah, unless ME3 PC is going to be $50 on PC, I'll probably wait for a Steam sale or get the PS3 version which would actually be worth the $60 because of the royalty being paid to the platform-holder.



If I wasn't able to pre-order DA2 for $50 (I pre-ordered before the price hike to $60), I'd be waiting on that one too.

[shnizzler93]

Read sig.

[VampireCommando]

They could release a uber edition of ME for like £300 and I'd still buy it, I have a freaking N7 tattoo for christ's sake I'd pay anything for ME3

[RVallant]

Internet.



I never pay "full price" for games anyway. Competition on the internet usually means you can get a game brand new for 20-30 pounds. Even top games like COD (even though I personally think they're nothing special) go on sale immediately after launch at any supermarket.

[TheSeventhJedi]

Let's throw something new into the mix.

Let's assume that EA is motivated by greed, hence the price gouge.

The question you must ask yourself is, do you want BioWare to continue making PC games?

You vote with your wallet, and don't buy it till there's a price drop to 30$ or something. Good for you. You're an upstanding person of integrity. You also show, through logic, why everyone should do as you just did. Because of your charisma, everyone thinks like you. No one buys it the day it comes out. Amazing! You've just voted with your wallet.

Well, when that happens, don't be surprised when EA votes back with their wallet and says, "Hey BioWare, we really just don't make enough money to port to PC - don't do it anymore." If EA is looking for more money, and they don't get it, they won't just stop and say, "Silly us, we were greedy. Sorry everyone! We'll stop caring about multi-million dollar paychecks and go back to driving our sensible sedans!" Share-holders don't care about your crusade, they assume the game or market is bad, and get out of it. They'll go to where the money is. If everyone waited until movies came out on DVD, movies wouldn't get made anymore, because the theatre is where they make their millions.  (Obviously there's a little bit of hyperbole - but really, are straight to DVD releases even worth calling "movies?")

So, by all means, vote with your wallet. Deny yourself ME3 on release day so that you can stand up to the man. However, might I recommend that you don't denigrate those who gladly pay that fee for you, because their money might be keeping your entertainment alive.

Modifié par TheSeventhJedi, 12 janvier 2011 - 11:17 .

[FOZ289]

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

I don't get it. Its 10 DOLLARS. Man, so much fuss over an insignificant amount. I think you should show support for bioware and buy it and not pirate it.

plus, we console gamers have been paying 60 bucks since 2005, so get over yourselves PC gamers

If the game is being distributed digitally, there's no reason for it to cost $60 because there are no manufacturing costs.  The extra $10 is just totally obligatory nonsense so they can grab more money out of the people buying games at launch, I don't know if it's even necessary to make a profit.  Not like it even matters, the 360 sales are going to be high enough.

[Gleym]

TheSeventhJedi wrote...

Let's throw something new into the mix.

Let's assume that EA is motivated by greed, hence the price gouge.

The question you must ask yourself is, do you want BioWare to continue making PC games?

You vote with your wallet, and don't buy it till there's a price drop to 30$ or something. Good for you. You're an upstanding person of integrity. You also show, through logic, why everyone should do as you just did. Because of your charisma, everyone thinks like you. No one buys it the day it comes out. Amazing! You've just voted with your wallet.

Well, when that happens, don't be surprised when EA votes back with their wallet and says, "Hey BioWare, we really just don't make enough money to port to PC - don't do it anymore." If EA is looking for more money, and they don't get it, they won't just stop and say, "Silly us, we were greedy. Sorry everyone! We'll stop caring about multi-million dollar paychecks and go back to driving our sensible sedans!" Share-holders don't care about your crusade, they assume the game or market is bad, and get out of it. They'll go to where the money is. If everyone waited until movies came out on DVD, movies wouldn't get made anymore, because the theatre is where they make their millions.  (Obviously there's a little bit of hyperbole - but really, are straight to DVD releases even worth calling "movies?")

So, by all means, vote with your wallet. Deny yourself ME3 on release day so that you can stand up to the man. However, might I recommend that you don't denigrate those who gladly pay that fee for you, because their money might be keeping your entertainment alive.

So in other words, I should fork over my money to them for a potentially flawed or improperly finalized product, just because I might want them to continue making more potentially flawed or improperly finalized products. That's like saying I should be pleased I'm being served sh*t, just because otherwise I might NOT be getting served sh*t. I swear, sometimes this blind allegiance to Bioware is freakin' hilarious to me. I'm a huge fan of their work and I've played their games for over a decade, but I'm not so utterly gormless as to believe they can do no wrong.

If the quality of the work does not match up to the price I'm being offered, then I fail to see why I should be forced to pay it 'just because otherwise you may never get another game like it'. Maybe I don't WANT a game like it? Maybe I want a BETTER game? One that's worthy of such an obnoxious raise in price? Oh, but that would imply that the customer has standards, which is just silly. A customer shouldn't have any other standard other than bending over and taking it, evidently.

[sinosleep]

iggy4566 wrote...

And you said that you weren't crying about it you should take a chill pill because your gettin way too worked up about this most likely non final price. 

PS: try to be less of a prat and just cause you game on a PC doesn't mean your entitled to something.

Repeating the same moronic line over and over and over again every time you quote me doesn't make it any more true.

If you'd been paying any attention to the thread at all you'd know EA has already released several PC titles for 59.99, and that Dragon Age 2, another Bioware title will be released for 59.99 as well. So we have every reason to believe that ME 2 will be released for 59.99 considering EA's past history.

And another thing, it's PRECISELY because I game on a PC that I'm entitled to get my games for 10 dollars less. We don't pay licensing fees like console gamers do and more and more of us aren't paying any shipping/manufacturing/printing (manuals) costs either since PC gamers have a FAR larger digital distrubtion netork then console gamers do.

Companies like EA and Bioware already make MORE money per sale from PC gamers than they do from console gamers. Screwing us out of another 10 dollars is ENTIRELY unnecessary.

Modifié par sinosleep, 13 janvier 2011 - 12:15 .

[Schneidend]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, companies will charge whatever their research shows we're willing to pay. If ME3 and DA2 end up being $60 on PC, then so be it. If sales suffer, they'll drop the price. If sales remain acceptable, they will not lower the price for some time.

[Mymph]

The day Bioware starts coming out with DLC that costs 10$ for a PoS mini pet ( or something similar) I will start doubting them. Untill that day comes im willing to pay the extra 10$. Considering EA has a nasty reputation im willing to bet its their fault and not Bioware's and considering im a BIOWARE fan I will pay and support BIOWARE.

[Evil Johnny 666]

charmingcharlie wrote...

cachx wrote...

Did you expect that they would stay at that price until the end of time?

I can understand getting angry, but come on, things get raised in price all the time.

Then why hasn't the console version gone up to $70 ?  In reality I could easily afford the $60 they are asking BUT the reason the PC version has always been $10 cheaper is because of the console royalty fee (how many times does this have to be said ?).  There should always be a $10 difference between the PC version and the Console version because $10 of the console price goes straight to the console manufacturer, the PC has no such royalty fee.

Do I expect PC games to stay at $49.99 forever ?  no of course I don't but I expect them to be $49.99 whilst console games are $59.99.  The day they raise console prices to $69.99 then that will be the day I will be prepared to pay $59.99 on the PC.

What is also ironic is that it's the best selling games which are sold at 60, not games from small developpers who really need it because of high development costs. Now you may argue "AAA" games cost more to make, but for the sales they get, their expenses are already at least paid once. Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops sold ridiculously well, still Black Ops was sold at 60 bucks? I seriously hope no will use the "development costs" for such example. It's pure greed, there's nothing else to it. Again, look how Activision charged 1200 microsoft points for a map pack which half (or more, can't remember) were maps taken from CoD 4 with limited changes.

Mymph wrote...

The day Bioware starts coming out with DLC
that costs 10$ for a PoS mini pet ( or something similar) I will start
doubting them. Untill that day comes im willing to pay the extra 10$.
Considering EA has a nasty reputation im willing to bet its their fault
and not Bioware's and considering im a BIOWARE fan I will pay and
support BIOWARE.

Publishers are the ones setting prices, Bioware has nothing to do about it. Neither DLC prices. Bioware may be money-hungry pigs for all we know, but it's something we'll never know. If they start throwing useless DLC for 10 bucks at us, it may be very well (and probably) EA telling them to do so.

Modifié par Evil Johnny 666, 13 janvier 2011 - 01:02 .

[Evil Johnny 666]

TheSeventhJedi wrote...

Let's throw something new into the mix.

Let's assume that EA is motivated by greed, hence the price gouge.

The question you must ask yourself is, do you want BioWare to continue making PC games?

You vote with your wallet, and don't buy it till there's a price drop to 30$ or something. Good for you. You're an upstanding person of integrity. You also show, through logic, why everyone should do as you just did. Because of your charisma, everyone thinks like you. No one buys it the day it comes out. Amazing! You've just voted with your wallet.

Well, when that happens, don't be surprised when EA votes back with their wallet and says, "Hey BioWare, we really just don't make enough money to port to PC - don't do it anymore." If EA is looking for more money, and they don't get it, they won't just stop and say, "Silly us, we were greedy. Sorry everyone! We'll stop caring about multi-million dollar paychecks and go back to driving our sensible sedans!" Share-holders don't care about your crusade, they assume the game or market is bad, and get out of it. They'll go to where the money is. If everyone waited until movies came out on DVD, movies wouldn't get made anymore, because the theatre is where they make their millions.  (Obviously there's a little bit of hyperbole - but really, are straight to DVD releases even worth calling "movies?")

So, by all means, vote with your wallet. Deny yourself ME3 on release day so that you can stand up to the man. However, might I recommend that you don't denigrate those who gladly pay that fee for you, because their money might be keeping your entertainment alive.

Because EA would never think of lowering the price of their PC games? Porting a game doesn't cost much you know, they'll still make money even if they sell the game at 30$, 30$ is more than 0$. Like you said, they'll go where the money is.

[sinosleep]

Not to mention that if they haven't abandoned the console market yet even though they make ZERO dollars from the MULTI-MILLION dollar used games market (although they're trying really hard with things like the cerberus network and 15 dollar multiplayer codes) they're certainly not going to abandon a market where total sales may be less, but they make more per sale made and DOESN'T have the used game market consoles do just because sensible consumers decide to wait for reasonable prices that they'll get their cut of. 

Modifié par sinosleep, 13 janvier 2011 - 06:51 .

[InvincibleHero]

I'll just wait until in comes into my price range. As a benefit you also have patches ready if you wait to purchase a game.