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[uzivatel]

charmingcharlie wrote...

It has been explained to you about a dozen times why the game should be cheaper on the PC but you don't seem to want to listen.  So here it is again, when you buy a game on your console a royalty fee of around $10 goes to your console manufacturer.  The PC does not have this royalty fee, so why should PC gamers pay the same price as console gamers then ?  If the console has that extra $10 cost why are PC gamers having to pay the same price when they do not have that extra cost ?

sinosleep wrote...

What part of ROYALTY FEE that isn't paid for PC games do you not understand? I fail to see what is so hard to grasp about the concept. Games cost more on consoles due to royalties. If said royalties aren't paid for on PC then explain the price hike. The cost of development means jack **** unless it's an across the board hike. Which it isn't unless they're selling the console versions for 69.99,

How is some royalty fee our concern? We are paying for a product - a game. And the game we get is no different regardless of platform, its arguably best on PC actually.

[charmingcharlie]

uzivatel wrote...How is some royalty fee our concern? We are paying for a product - a game. And the game we get is no different regardless of platform, its arguably best on PC actually.

Because now you are paying $10 MORE than console gamers for the same product.  How many different ways can this be said ?  Right now both console gamers and PC gamers pay the SAME price for the game which is $50.  Now console gamers have to pay an extra $10 tax to play the game on their console, PC gamers naturally don't have to pay this $10 tax because there is no console royalty fee.

Now with this $10 increase we have a situation where PC gamers are paying $60 towards publishers and console gamers are paying $50 towards publishers (the extra $10 they pay goes straight to MS/Sony).  We are being priced gouged it is as simple as that and if you can't see that then there is no explaining it to you.

As for the PC being arguably the best version, what the hell does that have to do with it ?  The reason why the PC version is the best and runs at 1080p and 60fps is because PC gamers invest in their PC and pay for their hardware up front unlike console gamers that get a cheap console and continue to pay for that console throughout it's life span in the form of the console royalty fee.

There are certainly sod all enhancements with the PC version of Mass Effect 2 other than the aforementioned higher res and frame rate which is down to PC tech.

[IBPROFEN]

charmingcharlie wrote...

I can't say this price increase sits easy with me either and I am still deciding whether to buy or wait for a price drop.  I don't necessarily have a problem with paying $60 for a game.  I do have a problem with paying the SAME price as console gamers for a game.

The price for games on the console include a $10 royalty fee to the maker of the console.  So if you buy Mass Effect 3 on the Xbox 360 then $10 of what you pay goes straight to MS and likewise with the PS3 version Sony gets $10 for every copy sold.

The PC has no platform holder and there is NO royalty fee which is why all PC games have been $10 cheaper.  Now they have raised the price to console levels I have to ask myself just exactly why should we be expected to pay the same price as console users when they have to pay $10 to their console manufacturer ?

So right now there is no way I am paying full price for ME 3, I will wait till the game approaches the price PC games should be which is at least $10 less than the console version.

Well, I play on PC which I be more than willing to pay tht extra $10.00 if it help to secure support for the PC gamer.
  As in COD:BO the PC player are still waiting on a patch to fix their game, While the consoles got theirs in a few days. 
 So, I say to Bioware Hey i can charge me $10.00 more as long as you give me the support that you give the consoles.

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

I'm not sure if the Xbox fee is $10 (I can check) but ME2 Xbox is being sold for $20 at Amazon. That would mean - well, "not much" for Bioware.

Bioshock 2 for the Xbox is $15.

[GraciousCat]

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

I'm not sure if the Xbox fee is $10 (I can check) but ME2 Xbox is being sold for $20 at Amazon. That would mean - well, "not much" for Bioware.
Bioshock 2 for the Xbox is $15.

I think it is, prices seem to be pretty consistent across the console platforms.

[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

Quit whining. At the end of the day, you know you'll be getting it.

[charmingcharlie]

IBPROFEN wrote...
Well, I play on PC which I be more than willing to pay tht extra $10.00 if it help to secure support for the PC gamer.  As in COD:BO the PC player are still waiting on a patch to fix their game, While the consoles got theirs in a few days.  

 So, I say to Bioware Hey i can charge me $10.00 more as long as you give me the support that you give the consoles.

I wouldn't know I wasn't stupid enough to pay the price Activision were asking for COD BO but your point is kinda moot when you are saying "I will pay $10 extra if it helps secure support for the PC gamer".  You paid $10 more for your COD BO and look where that got you.

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

I'm not sure if the Xbox fee is $10 (I can check) but ME2 Xbox is being sold for $20 at Amazon. That would mean - well, "not much" for Bioware. Bioshock 2 for the Xbox is $15.

I am talking about new releases here, obviously when they drop game prices they don't still charge a $10 royalty fee.  Now Mass Effect 2 and Bioware 2 are no longer new releases and are available as a budget purchase.  It stands to reason that when a game drops to a certain pricing the console royalty fee is reduced somewhat on older titles.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 24 décembre 2010 - 08:30 .

[iggy4566]

Stop crying you'll get the game anyway.

[IBPROFEN]

I wouldn't know I wasn't stupid enough to pay the price Activision were asking for COD BO but your point is kinda moot when you are saying "I will pay $10 extra if it helps secure support for the PC gamer".  You paid $10 more for your COD BO and look where that got you.

  Not to being stupid has anything to do with it, with you want a game you'll pay the price.
 Think that if that $10.00 went to secure support for PC. That would make alot of people think about going back to PC gaming. Knowing that part of the NEW game price is actually going to pay for support of your game, after release date to insure that its fixed (patch,updates). That would help budget games after release and not have to wait to see how many more games to sell to keep up the the support.

[djarlaks10]

Here in Russia we pay $90 for a console game, so stop whining ok?

[sinosleep]

iggy4566 wrote...

Stop crying you'll get the game anyway.

People also said I'd pay for x-box live when I bought a 360. 5 years later they still haven't gotten a ****ing penny from me. I'll buy the game when some store online INEVITABLY has it for sale pre-launch.

djarlaks10 wrote...

Here in Russia we pay $90 for a
console game, so stop whining ok?

I don't live in Russia, so I couldn't possibly care any less what you pay.

Modifié par sinosleep, 24 décembre 2010 - 08:48 .

[djarlaks10]

People are always complaining about prices. If you don't want to pay $60 for a game then wait till the price goes down. Gaming companies care about making money, so if they feel that people will buy their game even after the price increase, then they will increase the price. There's nothing you can do, just get over it.

[matt-bassist]

you could pirate it, play it and enjoy it, and then wait for the price to come down, then buy it.

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

charmingcharlie wrote...
I am talking about new releases here, obviously when they drop game prices they don't still charge a $10 royalty fee.  Now Mass Effect 2 and Bioware 2 are no longer new releases and are available as a budget purchase.  It stands to reason that when a game drops to a certain pricing the console royalty fee is reduced somewhat on older titles.

COD:BO is a relatively new release and costs the same for PC, Xbox, and PS3, at least on Amazon.

The new Tron game does cost more for the consoles but the same for PC and the Sony PSP.

[charmingcharlie]

IBPROFEN wrote...
 Not to being stupid has anything to do with it, with you want a game you'll pay the price.
 Think that if that $10.00 went to secure support for PC. That would make alot of people think about going back to PC gaming. Knowing that part of the NEW game price is actually going to pay for support of your game, after release date to insure that its fixed (patch,updates). That would help budget games after release and not have to wait to see how many more games to sell to keep up the the support.

But with your previous post you were complaining about the LACK of support from Activision for COD OB on the PC.  You paid an extra $10 for your PC purchase and you got WORSE support for your game.  Just paying more does not guarantee you squat it just makes companies like Activision and EA go kerching all the way to the bank.

Meanwhile whilst you are quite happy to be price gouged by companies like Activision we have companies like CD Projekt doing dedicated PC games like "The Witcher 2" and supporting the PC platform and they are doing it for the princely sum of $50 per game.

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

COD:BO is a relatively new release and costs the same for PC, Xbox, and PS3, at least on Amazon.

The new Tron game does cost more for the consoles but the same for PC and the Sony PSP.

You never mentioned COD:BO or Tron in your previous post.  You said you found it hard to believe MS charges a $10 royalty fee for games like Mass Effect 2 and Bioshock 2 when they can be bought for $15.  I stated they are old games and it is unlikely MS charges a massive royalty fee like that for older games.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 24 décembre 2010 - 09:03 .

[uzivatel]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Because now you are paying $10 MORE than console gamers for the same product.  How many different ways can this be said ?  Right now both console gamers and PC gamers pay the SAME price for the game which is $50.  Now console gamers have to pay an extra $10 tax to play the game on their console, PC gamers naturally don't have to pay this $10 tax because there is no console royalty fee.

You dont pay $10 to Microsoft/Sony. The publisher does pay something to them - we dont know how much and the price is obviously not set at $10.

Now with this $10 increase we have a situation where PC gamers are paying $60 towards publishers and console gamers are paying $50 towards publishers (the extra $10 they pay goes straight to MS/Sony).  We are being priced gouged it is as simple as that and if you can't see that then there is no explaining it to you.

Again, the PC gamers would be paying the same $60 as console gamers.

As for the PC being arguably the best version, what the hell does that have to do with it ?  The reason why the PC version is the best and runs at 1080p and 60fps is because PC gamers invest in their PC and pay for their hardware up front unlike console gamers that get a cheap console and continue to pay for that console throughout it's life span in the form of the console royalty fee.

Console manufacturers are making money on each console at this point. And the early adopters already paid for the hardware.

There are certainly sod all enhancements with the PC version of Mass Effect 2 other than the aforementioned higher res and frame rate which is down to PC tech.

Then both versions are the same, yet one is cheaper and the other more expensive.

Modifié par uzivatel, 24 décembre 2010 - 09:05 .

[djarlaks10]

charmingcharlie wrote...

IBPROFEN wrote...
 Not to being stupid has anything to do with it, with you want a game you'll pay the price.
 Think that if that $10.00 went to secure support for PC. That would make alot of people think about going back to PC gaming. Knowing that part of the NEW game price is actually going to pay for support of your game, after release date to insure that its fixed (patch,updates). That would help budget games after release and not have to wait to see how many more games to sell to keep up the the support.

But with your previous post you were complaining about the LACK of support from Activision for COD OB on the PC.  You paid an extra $10 for your PC purchase and you got WORSE support for your game.  Just paying more does not guarantee you squat it just makes companies like Activision and EA go kerching all the way to the bank.

Meanwhile whilst you are quite happy to be price gouged by companies like Activision we have companies like CD Projekt doing dedicated PC games like "The Witcher 2" and supporting the PC platform and they are doing it for the princely sum of $50 per game.

If CD Projekt wasn't a relatively small and unknown Polish company, I can assure you that the price for "The Witcher 2" would have been the same as for COD BO. They don''t have such a massive base of consumers as Activision, so if they put a higher price for their game than only their biggest fans would buy it.

[darth_lopez]

Tame1 wrote...

Why is it $59.99 to preorder on Direct 2 Drive? New PC games are $49.99 unless you're activision who senselessly charge $10 more. I didn't think BioWare would buy into this sham. It'll just lead more people to pirate, honestly.

it's not a sham and most highly anticipated games across all platforms tend to be 59.99 You can thank blizzard and the SC 2 crowd for effectively killing our new release Low Prices of 49.99.

Despite a 10 buck increase i'd still totally buy ME 3 that price to me just means giving Bioware the extra money for ME 1 that they didn't get from me yet. Considering i bought it from Game Stop at 20 bucks. And considering this is the end of the shepard arc and probably a beastly game, considering that they've most likely been working on it simultaneously with ME 2, given how well ME 2 sets up ME 3, It will most likely be well worth your Pesos so no complainy at least not at BW if you want to complain at someone go yell on the Blizzard-Activision Forums.

[Shadesofsiknas]

uzivatel wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

Because now you are paying $10 MORE than console gamers for the same product.  How many different ways can this be said ?  Right now both console gamers and PC gamers pay the SAME price for the game which is $50.  Now console gamers have to pay an extra $10 tax to play the game on their console, PC gamers naturally don't have to pay this $10 tax because there is no console royalty fee.

You dont pay $10 to Microsoft/Sony. The publisher does pay something to them - we dont know how much and the price is obviously not set at $10.

Now with this $10 increase we have a situation where PC gamers are paying $60 towards publishers and console gamers are paying $50 towards publishers (the extra $10 they pay goes straight to MS/Sony).  We are being priced gouged it is as simple as that and if you can't see that then there is no explaining it to you.

Again, the PC gamers would be paying the same $60 as console gamers.

As for the PC being arguably the best version, what the hell does that have to do with it ?  The reason
why the PC version is the best and runs at 1080p and 60fps is because PC gamers invest in their PC and pay for their hardware up front unlike console gamers that get a cheap console and continue to pay for that console throughout it's life span in the form of the console royalty fee.

Console manufacturers are making money on each console at this point. And the early adopters already paid for the hardware.

There are certainly sod all enhancements with the PC version of Mass Effect 2 other than the aforementioned higher res and frame rate which is down to PC tech.

Then both versions are the same, yet one is cheaper and the other more expensive.

No offence meant! But all this has gone completely over your head hasnt it?

[massive_effect]

Dem_B wrote...

I am willing to pay for quality, but sorry Mass Effect 2 full of bugs and is still a lot not fixed. For bugs and errors I do not want to pay good money. This is honestly. I do not want to pay for a stripped-down game. Must be quality and I'll pay. 

The bugs are your PCs fault. There's no such thing as a "bug free" PC game. There are too many variables.

That's why I'm a console gamer. To be a PC gamer, you have to find joy in tweaking your PC to no end.

[charmingcharlie]

uzivatel wrote...You dont pay $10 to Microsoft/Sony. The publisher does pay something to them - we dont know how much and the price is obviously not set at $10.

We really need a face palm emoticon on this board.  Right so the publisher pays the royalty fee anddddd what do you think the publisher does ?  Oh yeah the publisher includes the cost of the royalty fee in the price the end consumer pays.  The royalty fee doesn't magically disappear, the consumer pays the royalty fee.

As for the cost of the fee it is believed to be between $7.50 and $10 per copy.  However console manufacturers are reluctant to allow what they charge to be made public.

uzivatel wrote... Again, the PC gamers would be paying the same $60 as console gamers.

Yes we are paying $60 for a game that costs less than the console version to make.  So they are price gouging PC gamers as there is no console royalty fee.

uzivatel wrote...Console manufacturers are making money on each console at this point. And the early adopters already paid for the hardware.

Erm where did you pull "early adopters already paid for the hardware" both MS and Sony make minimal returns on console hardware sales.  In fact the PS3 was making a loss for Sony of around $400 when it was launched it was only last year that they broke even and have started making a small enough profit on the console now after they removed several features from the PS3.  In short both Sony/MS use the console royalty fee to help fund their consoles.

uzivatel wrote... Then both versions are the same, yet one is cheaper and the other more expensive.

Yes and the reason one is more expensive than the other is down to the extra costs of the console royalty fee.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 24 décembre 2010 - 09:18 .

[sinosleep]

massive_effect wrote...

The bugs are your PCs fault. There's no such thing as a "bug free" PC game. There are too many variables.

That's why I'm a console gamer. To be a PC gamer, you have to find joy in tweaking your PC to no end.

This is one of the most common misconceptions about PC gaming. I've been a PC gamer for over a decade, I've NEVER had to do any intensive tweaking to run a game at a high level. I've done tweaking to make them look better or run smoother at MAX settings, but never have I had to do some obscure tweaking to simply say run a game at high settings at 30/60 fps.

And when you do get bugs at least on PC either the community or the publisher will patch things much more quickly than they tend to do on consoles (Dragon Age dexterity fix anyone). Console manufacturers make developer's jump through a million hoops to release a patch, whereas hot fixes and patches come through the pipe with no issues on PC. 

Modifié par sinosleep, 24 décembre 2010 - 09:23 .

[IBPROFEN]

Well, Charming that wasn't complaining about COD:BO support, Look what IW and activision done to COD:MW2 with their IWNet(peer2peer). I got it because of MP server games instead of P2P gaming.



But your complaining about tht $10.00 dollars more for PC is a rip-off to PC users. I think PC gamers should be thankful tht companies still want to make games for us. Because we all know consoles games are quick and easy money.

AS I said before, wouldn't you be willing to pay that $10.00 extra if you knew it was going for future support of the game, if that game has got good replay ability like ME does.

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

charmingcharlie wrote...

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

COD:BO is a relatively new release and costs the same for PC, Xbox, and PS3, at least on Amazon.

The new Tron game does cost more for the consoles but the same for PC and the Sony PSP.

You never mentioned COD:BO or Tron in your previous post.  You said you found it hard to believe MS charges a $10 royalty fee for games like Mass Effect 2 and Bioshock 2 when they can be bought for $15.  I stated they are old games and it is unlikely MS charges a massive royalty fee like that for older games.

First, you've made claims that MS and Sony both charge $10 per game, but COD:BO - a recent game, released in November - has the same price per platform. 

Second, you've maintained that MS (and presumably Sony) charge $10 per game but now say they don't (for older games.)  Which is it?

It is conceivable that the publisher is eating the extra cost of console games and charging extra for PC games - retailers do this, they charge the same for cash and credit cards, even though they must pay interchange rates to Visa/MC. 

[Pyrate_d]

sinosleep wrote...

Pyrate_d wrote...

hey

companies try to make money

this isn't greed, it's capitalism

welcome to the world

It's greed when you're only ****ing over one segment of your buyers.

No, then it's price discrimination.

They are trying to maximize profit. This is not greed, it's the basic idea behind capitalism. If people buy the same number of copies for a higher price, bioware/EA would be intelligent to charge that higher price.

this idea that profit maximization = greed is just incredibly silly