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[uzivatel]

charmingcharlie wrote...

You mean I am butthurt about being priced gouged !!!!!!!!! well who would've have thought that eh.  I mean everyone loves being price gouged don't they  

Lets not be rude. Thats just how the system works - publishers ask as much as gamers are ready to pay - $60 is the magical price these days.

Oh and there is no "may" about it, publishers already make more money per copy out of the PC version even after you take the royalty fee out of the equation.  With this price increase they are making EVEN MORE money out of the PC version.

Any numbers to back up those claims?

uzivatel wrote...      Both sides want to make as much money as possible and the largest publishers have better negotiating position.

Yes and if EA wants to access the 40 million xbox customers then they will pay the royalty fee.  There are plenty of developers to publish games on the 360 but EA has to go through MS to access xbox gamers so they will pay the royalty fee like every other publisher pays the royalty fee.

And if Microsoft want Madden and FIFA on its system day one, they will be reasonable during the negotiations.

[TheMiroHa]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Tame1 wrote...

Why is it $59.99 to preorder on Direct 2 Drive? New PC games are $49.99 unless you're activision who senselessly charge $10 more. I didn't think BioWare would buy into this sham. It'll just lead more people to pirate, honestly.

You are talking about US-Dollars, right!?

I don't know about other areas, but here in Germany/Euro-EU, we pay that price in €. Which is about 1.3-1.4x the price you have to pay. Yeah, we pay 30-40% more. You can start calling it sham if you are being charged those prices.

Yeah, it's same price in Finland and Sweden too but luckily some online stores sell tax free many games.

[giuliano]

wow here games cost 3 times more than in the USA.

[trondjac]

Well, here in norway I preeordered ME2 from EA store, and I'd had to pay 75$ for the game, if you add in all the DLC i've downloadad youo can add another 29$. That would have me paying ca.104$ for a game.. So yes I would have had no problem with paying 59.99$, then I would save ca.15$, Nice :-D

[DOGGEH84]

I'm going for the the "Uber" edition actually. I'll pay through my nose for that. Start saving now if need be haha

[charmingcharlie]

uzivatel wrote...

Lets not be rude. Thats just how the system works - publishers ask as much as gamers are ready to pay - $60 is the magical price these days.

Yes and when publishers ask too much gamers complain like this and get faced by people like you that seem to love the fact you are being ripped off.

uzivatel wrote...
Any numbers to back up those claims?

Yes I posted them earlier but you obviously didn't read them, so I will do it again eh :-

  retail would pay these guys a maximum of 40 per cent of what they made.
So on a £29.99 game the publisher would receive about £12

Compare that to the digital model. On a £29.99 sale, the digital partner
will pay the publisher – or in many cases direct to the developer –
between 60 and 70 per cent, by the end of the month following the sale.

http://www.mcvuk.com...Retail-vs-Steam

Now at least 80% of all PC sales are via digital download.  That means on nearly every DD sale they make twice as much money as the retail version.  Now last time I checked consoles are still heavily purchased via retail but PC games are not hence a lil bit of simple logic tells us they make more money per copy already on the PC version than they do on the console version.

Oh and this doesn't include digital sales from EA's own website where I have no doubt they get 100% of the asking price for PC digital sales and it costs pennies in terms of bandwidth.

uzivatel wrote... And if Microsoft want Madden and FIFA on its system day one, they will be reasonable during the negotiations.

MS reasonable ?  there are many words you can use to describe MS but reasonable isn't one of them.  You are also forgetting the small matter that EA are currently in bed with Sony, bringing exclusive content to Sony's console.  There is absolutely no incentive for MS to give EA a "good deal".  I would wager EA needs access to MS customers a hell of a lot more than MS needs EA.  After all MS wasn't all that bothered about letting ME go multiplatform where they ?

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 25 décembre 2010 - 01:35 .

[uzivatel]

charmingcharlie wrote...

uzivatel wrote...
Any numbers to back up those claims?

Yes I posted them earlier but you obviously didn't read them, so I will do it again eh :-

  retail would pay these guys a maximum of 40 per cent of what they made.
So on a £29.99 game the publisher would receive about £12

Compare that to the digital model. On a £29.99 sale, the digital partner
will pay the publisher – or in many cases direct to the developer –
between 60 and 70 per cent, by the end of the month following the sale.

http://www.mcvuk.com...Retail-vs-Steam

Now at least 80% of all PC sales are via digital download.  That means on nearly every DD sale they make twice as much money as the retail version.  Now last time I checked consoles are still heavily purchased via retail but PC games are not hence a lil bit of simple logic tells us they make more money per copy already on the PC version than they do on the console version.

Oh and this doesn't include digital sales from EA's own website where I have no doubt they get 100% of the asking price for PC digital sales and it costs pennies in terms of bandwidth.

Did you take random numbers from random Russian publisher and project those on Mass Effect?

MS reasonable_?  there are many words you can use to describe MS but reasonable isn't one of them.  You are also forgetting the small matter that EA are currently in bed with Sony, bringing exclusive content to Sony's console.  There is absolutely no incentive for MS to give EA a "good deal".  I would wager EA needs access to MS customers a hell of a lot more than MS needs EA.  After all MS wasn't all that bothered about letting ME go multiplatform where they_?

Of course they are reasonable, they stopped their own sports franchises and allowed EA to run their own service on top of Xbox LIVE. EA may be big friends with Sony, but that means Sony had to do them some even bigger favour...
As for access to customers ... well, if they delayed launch of one version of their big games, it would not hurt them (people would buy the game later), but it would hurt the console manufacturer. If they did not release their games,they would lose a lot during the first year, but most of the Madden, FIFA, NHL or NfS fans would move to another platform.

Modifié par uzivatel, 25 décembre 2010 - 02:50 .

[charmingcharlie]

uzivatel wrote...

Did you take random numbers from random Russian publisher and project those on Mass Effect?

Obvioulsy no matter what I show you it will not be enough proof for you.  There is an article by a publisher stating they get more money (nearly twice as much) from a digital sale over a retail sale.  That easily supports my point that publishers get more money from the PC version per copy instead of conceding that you just go "oh blah blah random numbers from random publisher blah blah".

uzivatel wrote...    Of course they are reasonable, they stopped their own sports franchises and allowed EA to run their own service on top of Xbox LIVE. EA may be big friends with Sony, but that means Sony had to do them some even bigger favour...

Prove it then, come on prove that EA get some sorta extra special wonderful deal from MS that no other publisher gets.

uzivatel wrote...  

As for access to customers ... well, if they delayed launch of one version of their big games, it would not hurt them (people would buy the game later), but it would hurt the console manufacturer. If they did not release their games,they would lose a lot during the first year, but most of the Madden, FIFA, NHL or NfS fans would move to another platform.

Erm nope  you are under valuing just how much publishers like EA need access to the 40 million customers on the xbox 360, just like they need the 40 million customers on the PS3.  We have just seen how much EA needs both PS3 and 360 customers with the fact they have gone out of their way to get ME 2 on the PS3.  Publishers need access to both markets a hell of a lot more than MS or Sony need them.  Publishers are ten a penny but there are only 3 console manufacturers.

Christ I don't even know why we are debating this crap ?  The console royalty fee exists for all publishers and all you have so far is "yeah well maybe blah de blah".  You have yet to provide ANYTHING to back up your assertion that some publishers don't have to pay the royalty fee.

[uzivatel]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Obvioulsy no matter what I show you it will not be enough proof for you.  There is an article by a publisher stating they get more money (nearly twice as much) from a digital sale over a retail sale.  That easily supports my point that publishers get more money from the PC version per copy instead of conceding that you just go "oh blah blah random numbers from random publisher blah blah".

Relevant numbers from BioWare/EA would obviously shut my mouth.

Prove it then, come on prove that EA get some sorta extra special wonderful deal from MS that no other publisher gets.

I am not the one claiming EA is paying $10 per copy loyalties to Microsoft. I am the one saying thats Microsoft and EA business, a business they dont talk about in public (a business that does not really matter to end users).

Publishers are ten a penny but there are only 3 console manufacturers.

There may be many publishers releasing shooters, RPGs, casual games etc., but there is only one publisher with NFL and FIFA licenses.

Modifié par uzivatel, 25 décembre 2010 - 04:19 .

[charmingcharlie]

uzivatel wrote...

Relevant numbers from BioWare/EA would obviously shut my mouth.

They are relevant you just refuse to accept them, that is an article from a PUBLISHER stating that they get twice as much from DD as they do retail you just refuse to accept that it will be a similar situation with EA.

uzivatel wrote...  I am not the one claiming EA is paying $10 per copy loyalties to Microsoft. I am the one saying thats Microsoft and EA business, a business they dont talk about in public (a business that does not really matter to end users).

Guess what, I am not claiming EA is paying $10 per copy to Microsoft ........... I am stating that ALL PUBLISHERS have to pay this royalty of between $7 - $10.  You just refuse to accept it and come up with some "magical oh EA has a get out of royalty fee card" and have shown no evidence to support that EA gets out of paying royalty fees whilst every other publisher does.

If you need further proof that all Publishers pay a royalty fee then how about this :-

Another way to look at it is to say publishers such as Activision and Electronic Arts receive $45 after retailers take a $15 cut. Publishers turn around and pay a $7 licensing fee to console manufacturers such as
Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo. The cost of making, packaging and shipping game discs to stores carves up another $4. Finally, not all games sell, so the expense of returning unsold inventory eats up another $7.

http://latimesblogs....video-game.html

How about :-

Whilst a PC DVD/CD-ROM game can cost around £0.50-£1.50 (77c - $2.30)  to manufacture, full-price console games cost up to around £7.00 ($11) (Sony and Microsoft handle all software manufacturing for their consoles and include a royalty in the manufacturing price).

http://www.gamesinve...els/Publishing/

uzivatel wrote... There may be many publishers releasing shooters, RPGs, casual games etc., but there is only one publisher with NFL and FIFA licenses.

Yes and EA needs to sell games to pay for those NFL and FIFA licences, they don't get those licences for free you know.  The Xbox platform is the biggest platform in the US which is the primary market for NFL games.  So if EA wants to sell an American Football game to the largest market for American Football games (ie America) then they have to deal with MS.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 25 décembre 2010 - 04:55 .

[Pacifien]

So out of curiosity, has BioWare announced somewhere their recommended final price for Mass Effect 3 on the PC or is this a number dictated by various stores listing a pre-order price which, I believe, would be subject to change on their whim?

[charmingcharlie]

Pacifien wrote...

So out of curiosity, has BioWare announced somewhere their recommended final price for Mass Effect 3 on the PC or is this a number dictated by various stores listing a pre-order price which, I believe, would be subject to change on their whim?

No they haven't announced the price of Mass Effect 3 yet, but if you look at other products from Bioware such as Dragon Age 2 is being priced the same on all three platforms.  Then there is the fact that EA's Medal of Honour was also priced the same on all platforms.  I would say going by that it is pretty obvious that Mass Effect 3 will be $60 across all platforms as well.

Naturally if that isn't the case and ME 3 is actually going to be priced appropriately then there is no problem and there is no harm done.  However there is also no harm in letting it be known if you have a problem with paying console level pricing for a PC game.

[Shadesofsiknas]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

So out of curiosity, has BioWare announced somewhere their recommended final price for Mass Effect 3 on the PC or is this a number dictated by various stores listing a pre-order price which, I believe, would be subject to change on their whim?

No they haven't announced the price of Mass Effect 3 yet, but if you look at other products from Bioware such as Dragon Age 2 is being priced the same on all three platforms.  Then there is the fact that EA's Medal of Honour was also priced the same on all platforms.  I would say going by that it is pretty obvious that Mass Effect 3 will be $60 across all platforms as well.

Naturally if that isn't the case and ME 3 is actually going to be priced appropriately then there is no problem and there is no harm done.  However there is also no harm in letting it be known if you have a problem with paying console level pricing for a PC game.

I certainly wont be paying that amount for the game. If that means waiting to get it cheaper so be it. I refuse to be gouged on prices just for lols by E.A. or any other game publisher.

Modifié par Shadesofsiknas, 26 décembre 2010 - 02:58 .

[Lord Jaric]

Having to pay $60 for ME3 PC version, my god, that's like having to pay $60 for ME3 Xbox 360 and PS3 version, how outrageous.

[iggy4566]

Lord Jaric wrote...

Having to pay $60 for ME3 PC version, my god, that's like having to pay $60 for ME3 Xbox 360 and PS3 version, how outrageous.

I know.

[Xeranx]

I'll definitely wait for the price to drop. I don't see the point in paying more for the exact same thing everyone else gets. It's like going to the mall to buy a shirt for $50 when you can go to a T.J. Maxx for the same shirt for half the price. It looks like you're paying for the venue where the shirt's retailed which is exactly the point being brought up.

[sinosleep]

Lord Jaric wrote...

Having to pay $60 for ME3 PC version, my god, that's like having to pay $60 for ME3 Xbox 360 and PS3 version, how outrageous.

Since you CLEARLY haven't read the thread and don't know jack about what you're talking about here's what you REALLY pay for when you buy a game

console game

49.99 for the game
10.00 to sony/nintendo/microsoft in licensing fees

PC game

49.99 for the game

THERE IS NO LICENSING FEE, as such, PC games are USUALLY only 49.99 instead of the 59.99 console games retail for.

Any increase to match console prices would be dicking PC gamers out of 10 dollars FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER.

So here is what it looks like when PC gamers get stuck paying console prices for games due to greedy companies like EA and Activision who have decided to ram it up the rears of a segment of their consumers

console game

49.99 for the game
10.00 to
sony/nintendo/microsoft in licensing fees

PC game


49.99 for the game
10.00 FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER

If you can't see the difference between paying 59.99 for a console game and 59.99 for a PC game you have no business commenting on anything in this thread.

Modifié par sinosleep, 26 décembre 2010 - 04:28 .

[IBPROFEN]

Well, if all this is true.

I think that ppl could say that PC game prices set the standard for pricing all games. Which would look like that the consoles(XBox & PS3) are fixin' to be hit with an increase in their game prices. Cause then pubs could say well, if PC is paying $59.99, then we need to charge $69.99 to make sure we get our fee.

[Mongerty]

sinosleep wrote...

console game

49.99 for the game
10.00 to sony/nintendo/microsoft in licensing fees

PC game

49.99 for the game

THERE IS NO LICENSING FEE, as such, PC games are USUALLY only 49.99 instead of the 59.99 console games retail for.

Any increase to match console prices would be dicking PC gamers out of 10 dollars FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER.

So here is what it looks like when PC gamers get stuck paying console prices for games due to greedy companies like EA and Activision who have decided to ram it up the rears of a segment of their consumers

console game

49.99 for the game
10.00 to
sony/nintendo/microsoft in licensing fees

PC game


49.99 for the game
10.00 FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER

If you can't see the difference between paying 59.99 for a console game and 59.99 for a PC game you have no business commenting on anything in this thread.

If you think the $10 hike we saw in 2006 was for the licensing fee to the consoles, you are sadly mistaken. The "official" reason was because games cost more and take more time develop nowadays. I don't think that explains it, but it certainly isn't licensing fees.......Maybe some of the advertising.....

Also, Wii games are still $49.99.

[sinosleep]

charmingcharlie

Has already provided various links that show that licensing fees do in fact directly impact the cost of games on consoles. Here's another..

http://www.forbes.co...thisSpeed=20000

PC games have been cheaper than their console counterparts for some time now, licensing fees are part of the reason why. Any increase to the PC price is nothing more than a money grab unless the console prices are increased in kind.

Modifié par sinosleep, 26 décembre 2010 - 05:27 .

[AntiChri5]

Oh no.



Ten whole dollars.



You poor things.



Try paying $120 for a new game.



You can **** then.

[sinosleep]

I give up.

You guys have fun continuing to miss the goddamned point.

Modifié par sinosleep, 26 décembre 2010 - 05:33 .

[Meshakhad2]

I paid $49.99 for ME2. Another ten bucks won't make a difference.

[AntiChri5]

sinosleep wrote...

I give up.

You guys have fun continuing to miss the goddamned point.

The point is pretty simple.

They are tagging an extra ten dollars on to the price.

Why?

They like your money.