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[Quietness]

DOGGEH84 wrote...

I'm going for the the "Uber" edition actually. I'll pay through my nose for that. Start saving now if need be haha

already have a sum of money set aside just waiting for it to be announced, i would love to see people scream to high hell and back once the price is released for that thing compared to 59.99 heh.

[Xeranx]

Mongerty wrote...

If you think the $10 hike we saw in 2006 was for the licensing fee to the consoles, you are sadly mistaken. The "official" reason was because games cost more and take more time develop nowadays. I don't think that explains it, but it certainly isn't licensing fees.......Maybe some of the advertising.....

Also, Wii games are still $49.99.

Just an honest question:  Why do games take more time to develop if new tech is produced that makes the developers job easier to produce content at a faster rate?  I mean if I do a picture quality portrait with paint (which obviously takes more time) would I be justified in charging more money if I can print out several portraits, in several sizes and all it cost me was the push of a button to capture?

It seems that the more efficient we become at performing our tasks the more we want to get paid when, more likely than not, we're doing less work instead of more.

[Shadesofsiknas]

scyphozoa wrote...

I understand a lot of you value posessing your own money rather than giving it to someone. I have been a gamer since I was 5 and I'm an apsiring game designer. Maybe this skews my perspective from just being a consumer. However, I pride myself on buying products, at launch, with pre-order at full price.

Not because I'm rich (I'm not - I buy maybe 3-5 games per year at most) but because I want to support companies that provide excellent quality games in an industry that has no quality control or scale of value. The price of ME3, a game I will surely play for many years to come, at 60$ is the same price as hundreds of absolute garbage games.

So while as consumers, I understand your desire to save and keep your money. As a fan of gaming, you should know, its not so easy to chalk up a price increase to "greed." The game industry is as cutthroat and ruthless as any industry can be. Ask Red Dead Redemption developers, they sold 5+million copies and over 60% of the developing team got fired.

So while you guys might think EA is invincible and Bioware will never falter, they need our money and I am happy and proud to compensate them for excellent quality products. As long as the products are excellent, I will support their creators.

I would be more agreeable with the price increase if it was Bioware that would directly profit from it. But its going staright into EA coffers and there is no garauntee that it will go toward Biowares future game budgets.

[iggy4566]

sinosleep wrote...

I give up.

You guys have fun continuing to miss the goddamned point.

Have fun being butthurt.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Sorry but I cannot buy this argument. Whether or not it is EA, Bioware or Sony/Microsoft that receives the extra $10. It is a tad annoying people screaming "we should pay less!" What does it matter? Simply because you have a PC, you pay less? Nonsense. If I have to pay $60 for the 360 version. You can suck it up and pay the same or don't and not play.



Why do I find it somewhat irritating? PC is the superior version. So you already have something better than a console player and here you are complaining. In any event, I will probably pick up the PC version and pay that $60 as though it was a console purchase. No big deal, I would have paid as much if I picked it up for the 360.

[sinosleep]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Sorry but I cannot buy this argument. Whether or not it is EA, Bioware or Sony/Microsoft that receives the extra $10. It is a tad annoying people screaming "we should pay less!" What does it matter? Simply because you have a PC, you pay less? Nonsense. If I have to pay $60 for the 360 version. You can suck it up and pay the same or don't and not play.

Why do I find it somewhat irritating? PC is the superior version. So you already have something better than a console player and here you are complaining. In any event, I will probably pick up the PC version and pay that $60 as though it was a console purchase. No big deal, I would have paid as much if I picked it up for the 360.

Why don't you try actually reading what the argument is before dismissing it?

Modifié par sinosleep, 26 décembre 2010 - 04:10 .

[AntiChri5]

Might want to edit that post a bit before a moderator spots it Sino.

[Bourne Endeavor]

sinosleep wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Sorry but I cannot buy this argument. Whether or not it is EA, Bioware or Sony/Microsoft that receives the extra $10. It is a tad annoying people screaming "we should pay less!" What does it matter? Simply because you have a PC, you pay less? Nonsense. If I have to pay $60 for the 360 version. You can suck it up and pay the same or don't and not play.

Why do I find it somewhat irritating? PC is the superior version. So you already have something better than a console player and here you are complaining. In any event, I will probably pick up the PC version and pay that $60 as though it was a console purchase. No big deal, I would have paid as much if I picked it up for the 360.

Why don't you try actually reading what the argument is before dismissing it?

I have. The argument is you disagree with paying the same price as console gamers due to there not being a license fee for PC games. While the argument has merit, I will concede. You have the superior version of the game. So I am not about to offer any sympathy because you now have to pay the same price as I do.

Good job on the edit, by the way. I just missed quoting you. Either way. Your creditability is lost the moment you spew off with childish name calling.

Edit: Just rereading the TC's post. I noticed the pirate reference. If piracy rose, then EA may counter by claiming the PC is no longer a viable source of profit and just not release anything. So I would not advise doing that.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 26 décembre 2010 - 04:18 .

[sinosleep]

Having the superior version of the game is ENTIRELY irrelevant, not to mention not entirely true.

There is ONE point and ONE point only to be made in this thread and you already conceded that it is one with merit. Anything and everything not dealing with that point directly is secondary at best.

p.s. I resort to childish name calling when I'm dealing with children that make completely irrelevant comparisons that have no bearing whatsoever on what the actual arguement is.

Modifié par sinosleep, 26 décembre 2010 - 04:18 .

[Kronner]

PC version does not even have the proper PC interface, it has crappy console UI. It is half-assed port.

It is superior only because average PC is far better than any console today so it looks better (while PC still suffered - low-res textures, craptastic quality videos, restricted freedom in recruiting squad - because of console tech. limitation). And mouse + keyboard beat the hell out of a controller in TPS games.

None of the PC's advantages is BioWare's doing.

Modifié par Kronner, 26 décembre 2010 - 04:23 .

[Wittand25]

I do not know if it came up yet, but there is a thing called best price guaranty. This means that the price for a preorder can go down, but not up. So it is reasonable and sensible for every retailer that offers preorders to first set the price as high as possible and then lower it according to competition.



In other words the price for ME3 at any retailer but the EA store is not fixed yet and will be lowered before release.

[AntiChri5]

Do not forget that this is a luxury item, and the people producing and distributing it will always charge whatever they can get away with.

What is up to you is whether or not you think they can get away with it.

You could always just get it off steam dirt cheap if you wait a while.

[sinosleep]

Kronner wrote...

PC version does not even have the proper PC interface, it has crappy console UI. It is half-assed port.

It is superior only because average PC is far better than any console today so it looks better (while PC still suffered - low-res textures, craptastic quality videos, restricted freedom in recruiting squad - because of console tech. limitation). And mouse + keyboard beat the hell out of a controller in TPS games.

None of the PC's advantages is BioWare's doing.

EXACTLY. The ME 1 port actually had more keyboard functionaility than the ME 2 port. And the price comparisons make just as little sense. It's not my fault the games industry has decided to put absurd prices on games in your country, and just because they do doesn't make it alright for them to start doing the same here. It's BS either way and saying "I get screwed worse than you get screwed" doesn't change that, we're BOTH still getting screwed.

Modifié par sinosleep, 26 décembre 2010 - 04:33 .

[MassEffect762]

AntiChri5 wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

I give up.

You guys have fun continuing to miss the goddamned point.

The point is pretty simple.

They are tagging an extra ten dollars on to the price.

Why?

They like your money.

10.00 bucks?!

That's the PC bragging fee. lol.

[Bourne Endeavor]

sinosleep wrote...

Having the superior version of the game is ENTIRELY irrelevant, not to mention not entirely true.

There is ONE point and ONE point only to be made in this thread and you already conceded that it is one with merit. Anything and everything not dealing with that point directly is secondary at best.

p.s. I resort to childish name calling when I'm dealing with children that make completely irrelevant comparisons that have no bearing whatsoever on what the actual arguement is.

It does have relevance to the argument of stop complaining. Console players pay to their respective platform's creator and PC players pay to EA. It may be greed on EA's part but it all amounts to the same. Each platform has an extra cost. You can debate the fair factor but do not expect console gamers to offer much sympathy, hence the backlash you have received primarily from them.

And by resorting to such insults. You relay a lack of intelligence yourself. Regardless of the merit of your point.

@Kronner
I know it has nothing to do with Bioware however it is the better overall version because of console limitations. In any event, I do not disagree with you or the belief this is merely EA being greed. (Shocker that is) That said, you cannot expect console gamers to offer much sympathy about it.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 26 décembre 2010 - 04:39 .

[Ahglock]

Are they making a extra $10 bucks. Well not exactly, but close. PC is the smaller market and the game is designed for the X-box so there are additional costs going into giving the PC users a game at all. Not $10 worth mind you but there are additional costs to get a PC user a game at all.



Does the cost have anything to do with the price, again not really. If you want to feel cheated go right ahead, but end of the day prices are set by what they think the consumers will pay. $60 for a game is what they think you will pay. There is no set formula for what is a acceptable profit margin. Do I feel cheated in the slightest that they might make more profit off of me a PC gamer. Nope. $60 is a fair price for what I'll be getting, heck if I play it half as much as ME2 it will be a steal of a deal at $60.You can add up all the extra $10ish they make off us PC users double it and they still will be making less money off of us than the console market.



End of the day it does not matter to me if they make X profit off me or Y profit. All that matters is whether the cost I am paying is worth the product I am receiving. If ME3 is as good as previous ME games I am getting a heck of a lot more value out of the game than $60 so it is worth the product I am receiving. If you are more concerned with sticking it to the man than you are with getting a getting your moneys worth, more power to you.

[sinosleep]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

It does have relevance to the argument of stop complaining. Console players pay to their respective platform's creator and PC players pay to EA. It may be greed on EA's part but it all amounts to the same. Each platform has an extra cost. You can debate the fair factor but do not expect console gamers to offer much sympathy, hence the backlash you have received primarily from them.

And by resorting to such insults. You relay a lack of intelligence yourself. Regardless of the merit of your point.

How does it have any relevance when you already conceded what we're actually complaining about is a valid point? It has no relevance whatsoever. You are paying 10 dollars for LICENSING, we are paying 10 dollars FOR NOTHING, not close to the same thing.

Modifié par sinosleep, 26 décembre 2010 - 04:45 .

[Agamemnon2589]

Sino, you should just stop. Seriously. These people are never going to get it, and all you're going to do is give yourself a headache. This is the part where you should just turn the other cheek and walk away. Think Gandhi, man.

Modifié par Agamemnon2589, 26 décembre 2010 - 05:09 .

[Ahglock]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

Sino, you should just stop. Seriously. These people are never going to get it, and all you're going to do is give yourself a headache. This is the part where you should just turn the other cheek and walk away. Think Gandhi, man.

People get it.  They just don't agree with it.  You want to place cost based on the profits the evil corporations are making.  i place costs on the value fo the product to me. 

[Pedro Costa]

Kronner wrote...

PC version does not even have the proper PC interface, it has crappy console UI. It is half-assed port.

It is superior only because average PC is far better than any console today so it looks better (while PC still suffered - low-res textures, craptastic quality videos, restricted freedom in recruiting squad - because of console tech. limitation). And mouse + keyboard beat the hell out of a controller in TPS games.

None of the PC's advantages is BioWare's doing.

This is so true it pains me.

[kstarler]

I think the most valid point that I've read here is one that folks seem to be missing. If PC prices are setting the standard, and there is in fact a $10 liscensing fee for console, then PC prices rising to $59.99 means console players should anticipate a $10 increase as well. The base price of the game will have risen, and past experience shows that the game companies pass the liscensing fee onto the player. And the same goes for folks in countries outside of the US, because the base price of the game will have risen.

Personally, I already plan to buy DA2 in the summer next year and ME3 in 2012 sometime, mainly because I wait for patches/bugs to get worked out so I don't have the headache of buying a game and it not working on my system. So, in that regard, I won't be paying $60 for either game. But that doesn't invalidate the point that everyone, not just PC gamers, should anticipate a price hike coming in the near future.

Modifié par kstarler, 26 décembre 2010 - 06:08 .

[PlasticVenom43]

Did any of you ever consider that they made the game for the console first, and in order to appeal to a larger crowd they ported the data and controls over to the PC, which can be a very difficult process?



I would add $10 just because I went out of my way to help you. If you honestly don't want to spend $60 on a game that was made by a company to ensure that everyone has a chance to play it on their preferred platform then please play it on the console.



If you can't do that, then please stop bickering. One person's opinion will hardly, very ever, overshadow the other potentially thousands of people that have enjoyed Mass Effect series.

[sinosleep]

If porting to the PC had anything to do with costs PC games and console games would have been the same price AGES ago.

[uzivatel]

Ahglock wrote...

People get it.  They just don't agree with it.  You want to place cost based on the profits the evil corporations are making.  i place costs on the value fo the product to me.

Pretty much this.