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[thanekicksazz]

Listen up bioware indeed. Look at the posters. Exactly what I wanted. People bringing light to this topic on biowares own forums a whole year before the game ships.



Here is what I say: Firstly, I do not want K/M support removed from Mass Effect. I played through both games a few times with that set up and enjoyed every second of it. I also had Mass Effect 1 on Xbox and played through that a few times and enjoyed that as well. I feel Mass Effect is the best gaming franchise going ATM (honorable mention goes out to GTA).



I have a nice HD widescreen hooked up to my PC. I have a few wireless Xbox 360 controlers that work well with my PC. I don't like feeling like I'm at work when I play games. The idea of sitting at a desk and playing a game with a keyboard and mouse is pretty lame to me now. Lame, but it still works and it works well in most cases.



Having said that I have "hacked" every single PC game I had that didn't work with my controler, and made it work, not always so good. I play alot longer with this set up. I think because I can RELAX! Mass Effect 1 had a ****ty native support patch. It was terrible and the game was unplayable like this. I found Xpadder and tried that out and wasn't impressed at all. I then found Pinnicle Game Profiler. It had a add on profile that worked with Mass Effect 1 but it was still not perfect. When you clicked the RB the powers/guns menu would pop up but unless you held the LT when you pressed the RB then the mouse pointer (controled with the L Thumb Stick) would just stay in one place and you could not select your powers. Obviously that was a pain in the ass and I got used to it and was able to finnish the game this way and enjoy it. I then tried bioshock 2. It was the best profile to date that I had tried and I loved it. The best was the Mass Effect 2 profile though. I had to edit it a little but a couple hours of playing with it and I was kicking serious ass. Ever since then I decided that I would do whatever I had to do to try and convince Bioware to ADD support for controlers as an OPTION for the PC version of Mass Effect 3. If they do not we will make one and anyone who wants it I will post a DL link at that time.



Why I don't want to play with a console:



- Console version has **** graphics compared to high end PC. Even the new PS3 version of ME2 is nothing in the visuals department compared to the PC. I've seen them side by side.

- I also own GT IV and EFLC. Both are terrible ports of amasing games and I have got them to run quite well, it's a great example of the visuals the PC is kicking out being far better than any console. Both games support my controler and even swiches the GUI to reflect the imput device. That was included out of the box. Plus I pretty much believe that game is unplayable with a keyboard and mouse. By that I mean that there are so many commands and stuff to remember on the keyboard that you will find yourself dying alot. Don't even try to fly a heli this way. With the controler I'm killing it and my game looks about 2 times as good as any console version. I love that.



If Bioware really really wants to make Mass Effect 3 even bigger than Mass Effect 2 is should have the option to use a pad without being hacked.



I would glady pay $100 + extra for DLCs for a Mass Effect 3 with controler support.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Lumikki wrote...

I don't mind if they add controler support, but I like my PC just the way it is, mouse and keyboard.

It has less to do with adding support and more to do with them not blocking off support in the PC version.


As I already said, the PC version of ME2 has code in it that allows it to support a controller due to the simultaneous development between it and the 360 version.  The only difference is that they blocked off access to the 360 controller support.  All they have to do is not block off that access to ME3 and allow people to use 360 controllers with the game natively, seeing as those are easily connected and supported by the the PC and Windows without any additional software.

Support for other branded controllers would come through community hacks, and Bioware wouldn't have to expend much effort at all.

[DarthCaine]

Mouse+keyboard >>>>>>>>>>> gamepad

(in almost EVERY game)

[ItsFreakinJesus]

DarthCaine wrote...

Mouse+keyboard >>>>>>>>>>> gamepad
(in almost EVERY game)

True, but not everyone huddles in front of a desk to play PC games now.  People hook them up to their TV's to game as a superior alternative to game consoles. 

[Tony Gunslinger]

I'm not a PC player, but I was wondering, does ME2 support the Logitech G13?

[RyuGuitarFreak]

charmingcharlie wrote...

I really can't be bothered to take this argument any further, those that want joypad controls in the game are not going to pay any attention to those that don't want joypad control and vice versa.  At the end of the day if you want joypad controls then you have the option of playing on the consoles.  I happen to want Bioware to concentrate on improving mouse and keyboard control which is why I game on the PC.

Yes, because you don't make any sense. The joypad controls are already there for the Xbox version, and there's A LOT of games out there which support the xbox controller by default. It's a standard for certain genres these days. Giving the options for at least the xbox controller wouldn't hurt. PC games are about choice and options and joypad is just another option. I'm with you about the controllers on ME2, hell I missed those hotkeys, but negating a feature doesn't help on anything. I for one prefer to play Gears of War on my 360 controller. This kind of hate and nonsense about anything console related is what make us PC gamers look bad sometimes.

[Chala]

you are answering like the OP wants to make obligatory the use of the controller, it's just an optional thing that don't hurt (execet when the game is an RTS, in that case a controller support is stupid). Also there are different kind of gamers, in my case when we talk about shooting I'm better with a controller than using a mouse

[thanekicksazz]

TG, Thats a fancy looking controler. I have a G11 gaming keyboard but it's nothing like that. Mass Effect 2 officialy does not support one single game pad. The 2 options I am aware of are xpadder (not recomended) or Pinnicle Game Profiler. The second one might have a profile for that controler if we are lucky. Other than that you can always create one yourself but it sure would be great just to be able to plug it in and play. I'll go by the pinnicle website and see if they have a image for the G13.

[thanekicksazz]

TG, Sorry, Doesn't look like there is currently and image for that controler. You could always create one.

[charmingcharlie]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...
Yes, because you don't make any sense. The joypad controls are already there for the Xbox version, and there's A LOT of games out there which support the xbox controller by default. It's a standard for certain genres these days. Giving the options for at least the xbox controller wouldn't hurt. PC games are about choice and options and joypad is just another option. I'm with you about the controllers on ME2, hell I missed those hotkeys, but negating a feature doesn't help on anything. I for one prefer to play Gears of War on my 360 controller. This kind of hate and nonsense about anything console related is what make us PC gamers look bad sometimes.

No it doesn't make sense for Bioware to waste time on doing joypad control for the PC version when the majority of PC gamers use a mouse and keyboard.  Tell me, what next ? would you like to be able to use your steering wheel to control the Normandy ?

If you want to play Mass Effect 3 with a joypad then there are consoles that cater for that.  I want a PC game and that means Bioware makes use of the PC's native control scheme rather than come up with some crappy control scheme that is meant to cater for both mouse/keyboard and joypad users.

It has nothing to do with me "hating" on consoles it has everything to do with wanting a PC game that uses the PC's facilities as much as possible.

[thanekicksazz]

Charlie, Grow up. Clearly if Bioware were to implement controler support the "mini-games" and "menu interface" would change respectivly. It's not hard to do. If you look at this thred the vast majority of people are cool with it. If you are not start a thred agaist or keep your mouth shut. I kinda do hope they add multiplayer so I can kill you.

[charmingcharlie]

thanekicksazz wrote...

Charlie, Grow up. Clearly if Bioware were to implement controler support the "mini-games" and "menu interface" would change respectivly. It's not hard to do. If you look at this thred the vast majority of people are cool with it. If you are not start a thred agaist or keep your mouth shut. I kinda do hope they add multiplayer so I can kill you.

Yeah right kill me with a "joypad" that would be interesting to see   I am merely stating that I do not want to see joypad support in the PC version of the game and the best you can come up with is insults, threats and telling me to keep my mouth shut.  Hm you lost the argument right there, the vast majority of PC gamers play games with a mouse and keyboard just because a few here are vocal about wanting joypad support does not mean the vast majority want it or care about it.

[Forsythia]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Yeah right kill me with a "joypad" that would be interesting to see   I am merely stating that I do not want to see joypad support in the PC version of the game and the best you can come up with is insults, threats and telling me to keep my mouth shut.  Hm you lost the argument right there, the vast majority of PC gamers play games with a mouse and keyboard just because a few here are vocal about wanting joypad support does not mean the vast majority want it or care about it.

Then give me an example as to why controller support would harm the PC version of the game? I just cannot understand why you are so opposed to the idea. You want everyone to use mouse and keyboard, we just want choice.

Modifié par Forsythia, 25 décembre 2010 - 05:19 .

[thanekicksazz]

Charlie,Do you own a joypad? I play ME2 with one all the time and insanity is a breeze with it. Alot of people want it and thats just how it is. It will not ruin your experiance. I have faith Bioware is listening. I think you should accept that there is a good chance there will be controler support. I also can't remember the last time I played a PC game with the K/M. I'm willing to bet there are alot of people who would ditch the K/M setup in a second if the option were avalable to them. If Bioware for some reason does not add controler support I for sure will have a pinnacle profile made before the game has been out for 24 hours and still play with my controler. I'm just aiming for native support. And by the way, being told to grow up is not an insult. You are upset because a bunch of people want to use a controler to play PC games. Do you feel we are elitest or that we are below other PC gamers? Something about this idea certainly has you worked up. Maybe you can't find a nice Xbox 360 controler for wondows, I sure know they are rare now and it took me 2 months to find mine (brand new). I happend to see in another thred that someone thought that using the spacebar for 3 different commands wasn't so good and you agreed. Don't you think that mapping all these controls to different keys is going to effect your ability to play the game. For example you have a K/M and there are 17 keys on the keyboard you need to press to play the game effectly and you are in the heat of a battle and you press the wrong key coz god knows there are 80 others that do nothing. I imagine the guy sitting on his couch playing with his controler and not missing a beat does not have this problem coz there are only 13 buttons on the whole pad and it's easy to use. Who got killed and who survived? Seems like a no brainer to me.



Also remember that computers didn't have mice at the start only keyboards and GAME CONTROLERS! Mice came later. Consoles are not the place controlers originate, computers are, they have always been for computers and always will be. The reason consoles use controlers is because they are a far better way to play games and Mass Effect 3 is a game. When was the last time you played a game with your analog keyboard or mouse that was able to messure presure. I didn't think so.



Start your own thred if you like the K/M set up so much and we shall see just how many are for this idea and how many are against.

[Lumikki]

Forsythia wrote...

Then give me an example as to why controller support would harm the PC version of the game? I just cannot understand why you are so opposed to the idea. You want everyone to use mouse and keyboard, we just want choice.

Most of time extra choises doesn't harm anyway other players, if they are there or not. It depense how ever, how much does the extra work cost to make, because every day some deveopers has to work with game, it cost more money. That work is allways way from something else, what could be more usefull to majority, unless they actually add the cost of the game. Also do people want to pay more about the game, because those extra features what they don't need or want, is other question.

My point is that it depense how much work developers has to do for them, is the need of minority worth of that extra work. If it is, then adding it should not be problem to anyone, unless it affect to something else.

[Forsythia]

Lumikki wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

Then give me an example as to why controller support would harm the PC version of the game? I just cannot understand why you are so opposed to the idea. You want everyone to use mouse and keyboard, we just want choice.

Most of time extra choises doesn't harm anyway other players, if they are there or not. It depense how ever, how much does the extra work cost to make, because every day some deveopers has to work with game, it cost more money. That work is allways way from something else, what could be more usefull to majority, unless they actually add the cost of the game. Also do people want to pay more about the game, because those extra features what they don't need or want, is other question.

My point is that it depense how much work developers has to do for them, is the need of minority worth of that extra work. If it is, then adding it should not be problem to anyone, unless it affect to something else.

Thing is, controller support is already built in (console game), so it shouldn't be too much work. I agree with you, though, that it shouldn't be a priority for the developers and it should definitely not harm work on the main game. But I don't think anyone asking for controller support wants that anyway.

Modifié par Forsythia, 25 décembre 2010 - 05:30 .

[charmingcharlie]

Forsythia wrote...

Then give me an example as to why controller support would harm the PC version of the game? I just cannot
understand why you are so opposed to the idea. You want everyone to use mouse and keyboard, we just want choice.

It depends on how Bioware approaches it, the way I see it there are three options :-

1) Keep the PC interface that is suited to mouse and keyboard play and just enable joypad support.  If they do it this way then joypad users will be at a disadvantage and I certainly wouldn't want to navigate the PC interface with a joypad.

2) Produce a separate interface for joypad users which is enabled when a joypad is detected.

3) do some sort of hybrid that caters for both the mouse/keyboard and joypad.

Now of those options, option 1 is the most preferable to me but I can't see Bioware doing it because it will fall below their "quality standards".  Option 2 wouldn't be a problem but it would mean extra work for Bioware to bring the joypad interface from the console to the PC and I am not sure Bioware is willing to commit the resources for that.

The final option is the one I most certainly DO NOT WANT it they try to create a hybrid interface that can be controlled with either a mouse/joypad then the mouse will suffer.  If you want an example look at the matching symbols mini game.  It is much faster on the PC version because we can whizz the cursor around which the joypad users can't.  Then there are the hotkeys, joypad users can't use them so in any hybrid interface I can see them being removed.

At the end of the day I want a PC game that makes use of the PC control scheme.  I am not against  people using a joypad there are choices open to you if you wish to use a joypad it is called a console.  I want a PC game on the PC that uses the PC's unique and responsive control scheme why is that so hard to understand ?

Oh and thanekicksazzI yes I do own a joypad I just never use it.  As for your comments about the keyboard it shows how little you know with regard to keyboard control.  I don't have a problem finding any keys on the keyboard to play my game it isn't rocket science you know.

Now you obviously have a major thing for joypad control and that is up to you.  The fact you brought up the "oh blah blah my joypad buttons are pressure sensitive" shows you are not open to discussion on the subject.  Oddly enough mouse control is more precise and faster but we won't go there .  If you wish to play Mass Effect 3 with joypad control then you have a choice it is called the console.

I don't want to play with a joypad I want to experience Mass Effect 3 on the PC using the PC's native control scheme.  I can't get that on the console now can I ?  As for me creating a topic, there is no need for me to do that.  I am simply voicing my view that I do not want joypad control in the PC version of the game,

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 25 décembre 2010 - 05:48 .

[Forsythia]

Thanks for the response, charmingcharlie. Instead of just stating "No controller support in the PC version of ME3" you actually made clear why you don't want it. And I must say, I mostly agree with you, as I do not want this to compromise a PC interface either.

[thanekicksazz]

Option 2 sounds like what I would like to see. At most this would be a few extra lines of code and the interface for the "console"mini games. True the bypass mini game is crap with a contoler, i still use my mouse for that but the hotkeys work fine. They are mapped to the A.B,X.Y buttons and pressing will give you one effect while holding gives you the other, that covers all 8 hotkeys. I am not open to not having it, true. But it is not the end of the world and don't knock it till you try it. In all honesty I don't see how it would effect the game in the least.



You have assumed that a game having controler support would change it it ruin the game itself but you do not work for bioware and clearly have no idea how the games ini file actually works. The commands are all there already. It just has to be enabled and in Mass Effect 2 when you enabled it through a hack the game would freeze. Don't you tell me to get a console if I want to play with a controler either, I have a 360 and if i wanted sub par graphics I would use it. We both love the PC version right? The only thing that can come from adding controler support is a more solid game that is more accessable to more people. Mice are more presise, but i never found I needed one to kick just as much ass.



If you think for a second people will be playing computer games with keyboards and mice 10 years from now you are crazy. I think alot of people fear change.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

I like how people continue to gloss over the fact that the controller support coding and HUD for controller support will be included in the PC version of Mass Effect 3 as it was for Mass Effect 2, but will simply be disabled in the PC version.



All versions of the game will share the same code, which means all of the controller settings will be included in the games code for all versions of the game. So really, with the change of a little variable in the code, the PS3 version and 360 version could have keyboard and mouse support in seconds, and the PC version could have controller support with no extra effort on the part of Bioware.



Well, that's a lie, someone would have to make the graphics and tweak the coding so the options would show up in the games actual option menu, but that takes little effort in comparison to actually making a control scheme that works.



So really, adding keyboard support to a console or controller support for the PC is something one person could do 10 minutes before their shift ended.

[charmingcharlie]

[quote]thanekicksazz wrote...

Option 2 sounds like what I would like to see. At most this would be a few extra lines of code and the interface for the "console"mini games. True the bypass mini game is crap with a contoler,  But it is not the end of the world and don't knock it till you try it. In all honesty I don't see how it would effect the game in the least. [/quote]

Unfortunately Option 2 also happens to be the most expensive and time consuming option to take.  It is not just a case of "editing a few lines of code" they would have to bring the entire console interface over to the PC version and then test it extensively to ensure it works  They would also have to re-balance the entire game to accomodate joypad users.

[quote]thanekicksazz wrote...      You have assumed that a game having controler support would change it it ruin the game itself but you do not work for bioware and clearly have no idea how the games ini file actually works.[/quote]
I am not assuming anything about Bioware I know what Bioware are capable of, they are capable of crippling the PC control interface just for convenience.  If you need an example then how about the fact we only get to use ONE key for several actions, that is pretty unheard of in the PC world.   How about the fact we couldn't even assign guns to the number keys !! something that pretty much every game since games began have allowed you to do.  They did it that way because they couldn't be bothered to create a PROPER PC control interface and just gave us some half arsed version.

For ME 3 I want to see a PROPER PC control interface one that is designed for the mouse and keyboard because I want to play the PC version of Mass Effect 3 and not a console version with pretty graphics.

[quote]thanekicksazz wrote...   We both love the PC version right?[/quote]

Nope it sounds to me as if you want the console version but with PC quality graphics, it doesn't sound to me as if you "love the PC version" at all.

[quote]thanekicksazz wrote...  If you think for a second people will be playing computer games with keyboards and mice 10 years from now you are crazy. I think alot of people fear change.[/quote][/quote]

If you think for one second people will be playing computer games with joypads in 10 years time then you are crazy.  I will say the joypad will die a hell of a lot quicker than the mouse and keyboard will though.  The joypad is already on it's last legs with it being phased out in favour of  Kinect and Move.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 25 décembre 2010 - 08:32 .

[thanekicksazz]

As many people including myself have already pointed out the PC version already has the exact same controler and HUD as programed in the xbox 360 version. The issue is not close to as complex as you would like to think it is and that is why we are able to play ME1 & ME2 with a controler right now. What is missing from the PC version are the graphical tweaks such as the console version bypass and hacking games and having the ability to turn the support on. You could turn the support on in ME1 and it worked ok and the game didn't crash but at the same time it was flawed. In ME 2 the support could be turned on the same way but the game would freeze and you would have a incomplete powers menu, it would be missing the individual powers "icons" because the graphics for the 360 menu were no where to be found in the games code. We even tried ripping it from the 360 version and getting it to work with the PC but we had little success.



I guess it's fair to say that I want the console version with better graphics, after all they are all identical otherwise. Don't fool yourself. I've looked at the programing of both versions and they are identical in programing. Would you believe that in both cases it appears that the PC version was actually the 360 version with a little more polish to take advantage of the capabilities of the PC. So in short you should know you are playing a modified 360 game every time you boot that sucker up. I'm pretty happy with Mass Effect either way.



Charlie is a troll and PC fanboy who has his facts mixed up. In most every way the PC is better than consoles and all but to take it as far as to hate people who want to use a controler to play their games is childish and assinine. You can't even say controler, You call it a joypad, that ended in the 80's.



And I also doubt people will be useing "joypads" in ten years but it doesn't change the fact that mice and keyboards are going to be killed off by the same beast. Motion senseing, voice recognition, touch screens. Oh oh, here comes more of that change.



By the way charlie, I saw one of your youtube videos, I like the colors you used for your armour, the white and green and all. It looked sharp.

[thanekicksazz]

Perhaps a petition is in order. I'll set it up and post a link, you will only be able to sign your name and give an e-mail address though. No comments.

[thanekicksazz]

Ok, so the petition link is



http://www.ipetition...e3ctrl-rplease/



And you can leave comments. Tell your friends.