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[thanekicksazz]

Yeah, it takes me months to get a really good setup with a controler, I actually feel my PC setup of mass effect 2 is better than the 360 controls. Bioware could do this in a couple hours if that. All they have to do is have the game swich to a different cfg and UI for mini games and the menu screens when a controler is detected. Every single GFWL does this. All the menus and mini games are already made. It's just a question of adding the support.



@merchant2006



All 8 quick slots are mapped to the controler. the x,y,a,b, buttons control this. 2 powers to each button. For 1 you press the button, for the other you hold the button. It works well and the hold only takes about 1 second to register.

[charmingcharlie]

thanekicksazz wrote...
have no real idea what they are talking about and simply repeat the same false information they have been hearing for years.

Oddly enough the same can be said about the bull you are spouting.  There clearly isn't much support for joypad controls in the PC version yet you keep bumping your topic when no one else really gives a crap.

thanekicksazz wrote...  If any of you are open minded, some of you clearly are, and would like to know more about playing PC games with your controler I suggest checking out Pinnacle Game Profiler website/forums where you will find a whole bunch of people who play PC games with controlers all the time and have never "lost' coz their controls were inferior to their keyboards and mice. Ohhh if anything it's much more relaxing and avoids the issue of back problems, carple tunnel, and eye strain from sitting too close to a screen all day.

You claim to be open minded but all I have seen you do is slag off mouse and keyboard control because you don't like it.  Yet again you are blaming keyboard and mouse control for back problems, carple tunnel and eye strain.  Hm been using a mouse and keyboard for well over 15 years and I have yet to suffer those problems.  Might I suggest you make an appointment with your doctor immediately because a healthy person should not be suffering so badly using a simple control method.

Now you want joypad control in Mass Effect 2 (judging by the fact you only have 11 signatures suggest you are heavily in the minority) that is fine but at least put some effort into doing it without insulting the control method that the majority of PC gamers prefer and would rather have Bioware concentrate their energy and resources on.

[Bozorgmehr]

xentar wrote...

Despite the undoubted advantages, those take a lot of space, require time to set up and might require a change in furniture.

The controller is the most comfortable mechanism to operate sitting on your couch - that's the only advantage it has.

It's a compromise, just like your mobile phone isn't perfect to browse the internet, take pictures or watch a movies. But a desktop, SLR camear and a home-cinema set don't fit in your pocket.

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Christina didn't say it wasn't possible, just that it was difficult.

indeed, but I'd rather have the dev invest time in improving the game, instead of 'wasting' precious time designing a secondary system for the very few people who prefer a controller over Keyboard & Mouse. If it was very easy I wouldn't mind at all.

thanekicksazz wrote...

Crimson, I have them both on PC and 360.

So what's your problem then? Play on 360 if a controller is your thing. Consoles are also cheaper than a pc gaming rig.

With a controler you can make shepard walk slow. You can't with a PC.

Try holding the L-CTRL button.

thanekicksazz wrote...

If any of you are open minded, some of you clearly are, and would like to know more about playing PC games with your controler I suggest checking out Pinnacle Game Profiler website/forums where you will find a whole bunch of people who play PC games with controlers all the time and have never "lost' coz their controls were inferior to their keyboards and mice. Ohhh if anything it's much more relaxing and avoids the issue of back problems, carple tunnel, and eye strain from sitting too close to a screen all day.

Keyboard & Mouse are superior to controller, that's not an opinion that's a fact.

Modifié par Bozorgmehr, 09 janvier 2011 - 05:13 .

[thanekicksazz]

Yes, it's a shame Microsoft stopped making wireless xbox 360 controlers for windows and wired xbox 360 controlers. I had a hell of a time finding one but it was worth it. I assume the sales were bad. Console gaming is slowly killing PC gaming and has been doing so for quite some time. If it were not for the great PC graphics I doubt I would be here right now trying to get BW to add controler support for Mass Effect 3. Alot of people own computers but few of them use them to play games and of those that do few of them play thir games with controlers. One way or the other I will be playing Mass Effect 3 on PC with my controler. No one can blaim me for trying to get BW to include this functionality out of the box. Insted of being able to enjoy Mass Effect 3 a week after I buy it (ok thats a lie, i would play with the K/M if that was the only option at the time) I could enjoy it from day one. You know what I mean?



As far as I know I'm not the only one, but bioware is the only company that I know of that have no PC games that support controlers out of the box. Some EA games do (call of duty: black ops). EA hasn't even brought out any sports games on PC since NHL 09 (sucked on PC). I don't know if any of you out there have NBA 2K11 for PC but this games is incredable, it's like the mass effect of sports games, it supports controlers and I think would be impossable to play without one. Thats as good as any aguement I have seen for controler support for PC games.



I even went so far as to rip the mini games and menu from the 360 versions of both games and try to add them to the PC versions. I was sucessful in both attempts but the games froze and became unplayable. Mass Effect 1 worked fine but the menus were missing the power icons and well, you can't use powers if you don't know which one is which. Currently I still use the mouse for the bypass mini-games and the mining game. The rest of it works prefect. It was alot of work though.

[Crimmsonwind]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

Keyboard & Mouse are superior to controller, that's not an opinion that's a fact.

See, I don't think so, though. I think it's a matter of comfort, and a matter of what equpiment you have. A high-end gaming controller can be just as effective as a high-precision gaming mouse. There are a lot more keys on a keyboard, so it's easier to map keys and do things quickly, but if you're a terrible typist like me who needs to look at the keyboard because you tend to get lost if your hand moves too much, a controller is much easier to manage.

[thanekicksazz]

@charlie. I'm not sick, I don't have any of those problems, but lots of people do and I doubt you can deny that.



Also if you payed attention I do not want controler (not joypad) support for Mass Effect 2. I did alot of work to get it working well with my controler already and it doesn't make sense for BW to go back and do work in Mass Effect 2. Even though they did do this for Mass Effect 1. The work they did do was complete crap and I had to use the native controler support and my pinnacle profile at the same time to make it playable.



Also I will continue to bump this thred if that is what needs to be done. I'm no quiter. Also all my information is based on my own experiance. I've said it before but I have played though both games 10+ times with both k/m and my controler and I happen to know there is almost no difference.



Also it insults you that I want to play with a controler. If you don't like the idea you could have always kept your opionion to yourself. I started this thred. I didn't ask what people thought. Unless you are for the idea and want to sign the petition you should have moved on. It was you (and others) attacking those who didn't fit with your idea of what PC gaming should be.



Until you play Mass Effect with a controler you shouldn't have an opinion because you simply do not know. And before you try DO NOT TELL ME TO GET A CONSOLE!

[Crimmsonwind]

You asked what people thought when you posted on a public forum. I'm beginning to regret agreeing with you.

[thanekicksazz]

@boz



L-CTRL you say. I didn't know that.

I'll give it a try next time I fire up ME2.

[charmingcharlie]

thanekicksazz wrote...

Also it insults you that I want to play with a controler. If you don't like the idea you could have always kept your opionion to yourself. I started this thred. I didn't ask what people thought. Unless you are for the idea and want to sign the petition you should have moved on. It was you (and others) attacking those who didn't fit with your idea of what PC gaming should be.

No it does not insult me that you want to use a joypad, I personally don't care what control scheme you want to use.  What I do find annoying and aggravating is that you continually attack the preferred control system of PC gamers in this topic.  You constantly try to show that some how the mouse is inferior when most leading developers actually think the joypad is a poor way to control games, such as :-

“I've heard from reliable sources that during the development they
brought together the best console gamers to play mediocre PC gamers at
the same game... and guess what happened? They pitted console gamers
with their ‘console’ controller, against PC gamers with their keyboard
and mouse. The console players got destroyed every time.”

http://www.t3.com/ne...e-gamers?=47435

“The keyboard/mouse interface is definitely still the superior interface
for a competitive first-person shooter experience, much better than an
analog joypad,” he told PC Gamer.

http://www.maximumpc...ics_level_three

thanekicksazz wrote... Until you play Mass Effect with a controler you shouldn't have an opinion because you simply do not know. And before you try DO NOT TELL ME TO GET A CONSOLE!

Nope I have never played the PC version of Mass Effect with a joypad because I realise that Bioware designed the PC version with the PC's control interface in mind and that is what I and the majority of other PC gamers USE.

[thanekicksazz]

@Crimmson



I started this thred. I asked that people who didn't agree with me about this not post, they did anyways and they were as rude as could be about it. If I look like an ass thats unfortunate but I didn't attack these people. They attacked me. I have never once said that keyboards/mice suck. Only that I like to play with a controler and that alot of the information these people spred or perpetuate is not accurate in the least. If you really want to support what I'm trying to do sign the petition. This topic is nothing new, it existed with ME1, DA: O, ME2. and those are just the games I'm aware of that BW makes. It's a pretty basic feature.



I've never complained about the quality of the game, although many of the K/M camp do, nore have I complained about the K/M setup. I just want to play with my controler and will go to any extreem to see that happen.

[Bozorgmehr]

Crimmsonwind wrote...

Bozorgmehr wrote...

Keyboard & Mouse are superior to controller, that's not an opinion that's a fact.

See, I don't think so, though. I think it's a matter of comfort, and a matter of what equpiment you have. A high-end gaming controller can be just as effective as a high-precision gaming mouse. There are a lot more keys on a keyboard, so it's easier to map keys and do things quickly, but if you're a terrible typist like me who needs to look at the keyboard because you tend to get lost if your hand moves too much, a controller is much easier to manage.

I wasn't clear enough, my bad. Earlier in this thread I mentioned K&M setup is superior playing RPG, Shooter and/or Strategy games. Racing and Sport games favor controllers. But overall the K&M setup offers faster and more accurate controls - try to operate your OS using a controller, or software like Adobe CS

[thanekicksazz]

@charlie.



No one asked you anything. I don't care if you don't like it. I think it's telling that you quote and link PC Gamer, is there a bigger PC fanboy site? Also that T3, I never heard of them and their site layout is so crappy, having said that I think it is highly suspect that this story cannot be found on any other websites.

[thanekicksazz]

By the way, look at this:



http://www.t3.com/ne...ntroller?=52275



Same T3 site. Apperently this is already banned in tournament play.

[thanekicksazz]

I found more on that story charlie. They tested it with shadowrun. Ahhhhahhaaa. Shadowrun SUX!

[thanekicksazz]

@boz



I sometimes control my PC with my controler and it is alot slower. I never tried adobe cs5 that way but I would imagine that to be impossable.

[charmingcharlie]

thanekicksazz wrote...

By the way, look at this:

http://www.t3.com/ne...ntroller?=52275

Same T3 site. Apperently this is already banned in tournament play.

Why does that exist then ?  I mean surely if the joypad is great for  controlling games there should be no need for that.  As for it being banned by MLG that is simply down to the fact it has autofire and two buttons you can map a sequence of actions too.  If they released a mouse with autofire and you could map a sequence of actions to the buttons it would get banned too.

That joypad wasn't banned because it was "too good" it was banned because it used two mechnisms that are considered cheats.

thanekicksazz wrote...

I found more on that story charlie. They tested it with shadowrun. Ahhhhahhaaa. Shadowrun SUX!

The game sucked on both the PC and Xbox but Microsoft still found that PC gamers wiped the floor with Xbox gamers because of the mouse and keyboard.  I mean come on here why do you think cross play barely exists between the PC and 360 ?  The tech is there and the network is there but for some reason developers are not keen to do it.  The reason is simple if you do crossplay you can only do it if you either gimp the PC end or give the xbox end an unfair advantage (such as auto aim) to balance out the accuracy of the mouse.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 09 janvier 2011 - 06:30 .

[Crimmsonwind]

Why do you have to keep throwing around the word fanboy? You're a fanboy yourself. People have preferences, and yeah, some of the people stating their opinions are being less than polite. But you're just exacerbating the situation, kickazz.

[MaaZeus]

Im more worried about Mouse Acceleration and Mouse Smoothing. Bioware, keep that BS away from PC games! They make aiming inaccurate and annoying!

[Crimmsonwind]

MaaZeus wrote...

Im more worried about Mouse Acceleration and Mouse Smoothing. Bioware, keep that BS away from PC games! They make aiming inaccurate and annoying!

Hah, as long as they don't screw up like Dead Space and the V sync problem, I think we'll be alright.

[thanekicksazz]

I think if microsoft tested say Halo 1 or 2 which I believe are both on PC and xbox it would be quite a different story or at the very least about the same on both sides. Taking a game that is as bad as shadowrun and then making statements based on the performance of people (apperently the BEST console gamers and some casual PC gamers, who dermined these peoples skill levels anyways?) on a game that isn't even out yet is a pretty crappy way of determining that PC gamers are far better than those who use controlers to play their games.



Kinda like taking Jeff Gordon or some other race car driver who is deemed to be good and then some random guy off the street, putting Jeff in a Pinto and the other guy in a Corvette and then intentionaly tampering with the breaks of both cars, and then when Jeff wins declaring the Pinto better than the Corvette.



Anyways this thred is about bioware adding controler support to the PC version of Mass Effect 3. It is not about which control setup is better or anything like that. I really do not understand how people will take something so simple and basic and start fights that have nothing to do with the thred. If you wish to discuss the pros and cons of various control setups I suggest you do it elsewhere from now on.



Start your own thred, seriously! But unlike you I promise not to bud in and put in my two cents where it is not wanted.

[charmingcharlie]

thanekicksazz wrote...

Anyways this thred is about bioware adding controler support to the PC version of Mass Effect 3. It is not about which control setup is better or anything like that. I really do not understand how people will take something so simple and basic and start fights that have nothing to do with the thred. If you wish to discuss the pros and cons of various control setups I suggest you do it elsewhere from now on.

You are the one that started the "fight" you are the one that keeps slagging off the preferred control scheme for the majority of PC gamers.  If you don't want people coming in here providing proof against your OPINION that the mouse is inferior to the joypad then perhaps you should stop slagging the mouse and keyboard control scheme off because you personally do not like it.

[shinobi602]

Wait...are people here seriously against adding controller support? Note the "add", not "take away" anything.

I'm confused, why would anyone not want more options for others? How would adding controller support sacrifice anything? Haven't plenty of devs had controller support for a long ass time? What did they sacrifice? Nothing. It's not like you can't have one without the other, they're not mutually exclusive.

[Timberley]

@shinobi:  Long story short (from what I can determine from all of the sniping going on); the OP wants native controller support along with some folk, others don't, but that's mainly because they don't want the PC version of ME3 to suffer any compromises to GP difficulty, control capabilities (i.e. mapping more keyboard buttons than the controller has), and overall quality of the PC experience.  As far as I can tell anyway... I'm sure someone'll correct me if I'm putting words in their mouth.

The rest has dissolved into flame war (pretty much), with the OP calling anyone who uses keyboard & mouse set up on their PC a 'PC fanboy', whilst being a slavish fanboy to controllers on the PC...  The irony seems to be lost on him.

As someone who has used both keyboard & mouse, and controllers (for X360, PS3 and PS2), I'm firmly in the keyboard & mouse camp when it comes to my preferance for playing games like the Mass Effect series.  But, if folk want to hook their PC gaming rig up to the large screen TV and play using a controller then they can do that.  But, at the risk of sounding like a PC-purist, is this not why consoles were created in the first place; so folk can sit on their settee and play games in what they consider a relaxed atmosphere?

Oh, and MaaZeus, I agree with you about mouse acceleration.  It's really irritating to see the crosshair jump about when you think you've snapped to the best point to line up a head shot and the acceleration has taken over and decided that's not the case.

Tim

Modifié par Timberley, 10 janvier 2011 - 06:37 .

[Whereto]

If bioware are to be believed, it isnt easy to add it. Unless any off you have experience or knowledge of how add a controller into the Unreal Engine 3, i suggest you all stop criticizing what you don't know. Not everything in this world is a conspiracy theory, somethings are that was cause lots of people dont want it. If they could do it easy, i would say why not? but really why would you want it? you just going to be playing with a inaccurate and non-mappable controller. Not much logic there if you ask me.

[Toothpicker]

I would like the option, please.