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[GodWood]

Your grandpa sounds like a cool dude.

But, in defence of renegade Shepards (I am one) you can still play renegade who is good to his companions and ruthless to his foes.

[darth_lopez]

Excellent Story Sir.

i'd still say that Paragade is the way to go ingame and ini life though.

Edit: Also in agreement with God Wood, you can be an inspirational paragon Shep to your Team Compelling them to follow you but be relentless to your foes, and in the instances where you are talking about loss of life, (for example the death of the council, or human forces at the battle of the citadel) Even renegade Responses tend to be good ones

Modifié par darth_lopez, 25 décembre 2010 - 08:20 .

[Bigdoser]

As I said you can still be a tough as nails commander and still care about your squad/team.

[Pedro Costa]

I still prefer the paragade. Goodie two shoes paragon!Shep is too soft, ubber Mr.Badass renegade!Shep is too much of a jerk for my tastes.

[Conestoga Joe]

Weskerr wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

Interesting, i dont want to sound evil, but your not that Creative Writer are you? About two weeks ago, somone with a similer name posted a long story about how Thane and His son reminded this person about his father and his own life, and how his father had since passed away, it got allot of responces, but then turned out to be a fictional story. Are you that same person?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is suspcious of the OP''s honesty. The way he presented his story seemed to have all the nuances that a writer employs to tell a good story, not a true story. The way he described how his grandfather spoke to him came off as cliche and hackneyed to me. I don't believe this is a true story.

[Spartas Husky]

Conestoga Joe wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

Interesting, i dont want to sound evil, but your not that Creative Writer are you? About two weeks ago, somone with a similer name posted a long story about how Thane and His son reminded this person about his father and his own life, and how his father had since passed away, it got allot of responces, but then turned out to be a fictional story. Are you that same person?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is suspcious of the OP''s honesty. The way he presented his story seemed to have all the nuances that a writer employs to tell a good story, not a true story. The way he described how his grandfather spoke to him came off as cliche and hackneyed to me. I don't believe this is a true story.

I personally dont care whether or not is true. Its entertaining either way. If is true, he has a very kool grandpa. If is False, he invented and very kool character. :wizard:

[Cra5y Pineapple]

I knew that D-Day info would come in handy. Just discovered you're Canadian from the fact your Grandpa landed on Juno beach. Of course It seemed likely considering where Bioware is stationed. Pity, my Grandpa didn't go to D-day, he fought in the Pacific. which is suprising considering he's British along with the rest of my family but what'd'ya'know. The UK did fight in the Pacific.
I agree with your pa, renegade Shepard is a dick, he needs to learn to treat his crew right.

Mind you, paragon I find too mary-sue-ish-boy-scout.
Both are unrealistic in different ways, and I honestly say; It's either renegon, paragade, or neutral. Otherwise you're a bad/annoying person.

Modifié par Cra5y Pineapple, 26 décembre 2010 - 12:39 .

[Aurica]

Hathur wrote...
"We had ****s like that in the war, boy." He says to me angrily (whilst pointing at renegade Shep). "Commanding officers who behaved like that in the field often found themselves inexplicably alone in a field... your history books only tell you about the so-called 'glory', boy... they don't tell you that these soldiers were humans... with morale.. and fear... and when you treated free men like cattle, not all would take it quiet... the history books don't tell you of CO's who were mysteriously left alone in enemy territory... or found a bullet in the ass from an 'accidental' rifle discharge."

Wow your Grandpa sounds rather cool that he is taking an interest in such things as well.  Personally I think your grandpa is right here.  People aren't going to take it lying down if the CO is douche bag that sends them to their deaths. When there is an opportunity they can and will stab you in the back for being cruel to them.

[Pathogen69]

very interesting read. there are still some leaders in the military today that treat the men under them like cattle. some people only care about what will get them promoted with total disregard to the people they have to step on to do so. i saw it a lot when i was in the military. my shepards pretty much directly reflect the way that i lead the guys under me when i was in the service. i placed the concerns of the men under me above my own, sometimes against the wishes of those above me. the hallmark of any good leader is basically this, "if you look out for your guys, they'll look out for you."

[chris2365]

It's nice to see that even the seniors appreciate Mass Effect!

[Terastar]

If you want to look up some history then look up Custer=tyrant/ruthless vs. Hal Moore= paragonish. Both commanded the US 7th Cavalry Regiment about 100 years apart.

Tell your Grandpa right on!!!!

[Nashiktal]

Again I say, we wouldnt be having arguments like this if P and R were done properly.

[Eradyn]

Nashiktal wrote...

Again I say, we wouldnt be having arguments like this if P and R were done properly.

I agree.  Unfortunately the dialogue wheel, as it stands, is simply too limited to allow greater, and more accurate, freedom of expression to drive character development.  Both Paragon and Renegade options seem to be playing catch-all for too broad a range of personality/character types.  We need more options and flexibility.

Another unfortunate by-product is where they both ultimately end up portraying caricatures of "Mary Sue/Gary Stu goody goodies" and "sociopathic a-holes."  You really have to play the wheel to get a more substantial character...and it can be difficult when certain conversation paths are blocked because you didn't pure P or R throughout the game.  I was lucky because my import gave me a boost...although in the end there were still a few options I couldn't choose because I didn't have enough P or R.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Wow. That was a fascinating read. Though in defense of Renegade Shep, it is possible to play a "Renegon" Shepard sort of in the vein of Garrus. Garrus at the beginning of ME1 definitely skews toward compassionate Renegade, someone who is ruthless to his enemies and caring to his allies. And yeah, the Paragon/Renegade morality system is bull.



Really, I'd like it if we stopped having morality meters in video games altogether. I can understand it in certain IPs with more black-and-white morality (Star Wars comes to mind), but in both Mass Effect and in Fallout, I felt the world was grey-and-grey enough where morality meters were simplistic. I'd have liked a system like Dragon Age--one "persuade" skill that you can choose to upgrade or ditch, and you use that for all talking options. No tracking of morality, just companion influence tracking.

[Felene]

I envy you OP. I never actually get to "known" my Grandpa. Only a few survive war, and fewer survive old age. Wish him well. Tell your Grandpa I say hi and happy holiday!

In theory, true renegade Shepard won't bother with loyalty quests, unless someone RP with a back story or something.

So in short, yes, CO like renegade Shepard do get people kill and in some cases, get themselves kill too.

One of the reason I play Paragade, good to followers, cruel to enemies.

[Meshakhad2]

A truly fascinating read. And interesting to get a real soldier's perspective on a fictional one.



Thank your grandfather for his service.

[Silentmode]

Great story.

Your grandpa seems like a very interesting man, you're lucky. My grandfather who recently passed also served in the War but I can't remember a single time I ever talked to him about it and only found out he did serve second hand. My father who served during Vietnam (though he never was deported due to injury) says that grandpa never really got specific about what happened to him during the War with him either, I guess he just didn't want to talk about it which is understandable.

And besides that I'm really the only serious gamer in my family and most of them still look at it as inmature and childish, so naturally none of them have any interest in Mass Effect.

I agree with your grandfather entirely. Paragon Shep is a rational, responsible, leader of men. Renegade Shep is a compulsive, reckless, lone wolf. Renegade Shep would make a good bounty hunter or mercenary but not a good CO.

Edit: I also wanted to say that when I read the thread title I thought it was going to be a flame thread about how only old and boring people like Paragon Shep and younger and kewler people like Renegade.

Modifié par Silentmode, 26 décembre 2010 - 08:19 .

[Praetor Knight]

Silentmode wrote...

Great story.

Your grandpa seems like a very interesting man, you're lucky. My grandfather who recently passed also served in the War but I can't remember a single time I ever talked to him about it and only found out he did serve second hand. My father who served during Vietnam (though he never was deported due to injury) says that grandpa never really got specific about what happened to him during the War with him either, I guess he just didn't want to talk about it which is understandable.

And besides that I'm really the only serious gamer in my family and most of them still look at it as inmature and childish, so naturally none of them have any interest in Mass Effect.

I agree with your grandfather entirely. Paragon Shep is a rational, responsible, leader of men. Renegade Shep is a compulsive, reckless, lone wolf. Renegade Shep would make a good bounty hunter or mercenary but not a good CO.

Edit: I also wanted to say that when I read the thread title I thought it was going to be a flame thread about how only old and boring people like Paragon Shep and younger and kewler people like Renegade.

Awesome, this thread should at least be stickied.

There are too many excellent posts not too be.


Seriously,

Praetor


Thank you Hathur and your grandpa.

[Zulu_DFA]

I'm curious what are exactly the renegade actions of Shepard that the Grandpa disapproves of?



I mean Renegade Shepard does punch people, but never his crew. He never orders anybody to hit the deck and give him fifty. Not even Johny Gauche for his left-handed salute in the server room.



I think this stuff is totally made up.

[supakillaii]

What'd he say of hte "Hold the line" speech, as asked few pages ago?

[Phaedon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I'm curious what are exactly the renegade actions of Shepard that the Grandpa disapproves of?

I mean Renegade Shepard does punch people, but never his crew. He never orders anybody to hit the deck and give him fifty. Not even Johny Gauche for his left-handed salute in the server room.

I think this stuff is totally made up.

Full Renegade is never an ass towards his crew? rofl

Modifié par Phaedon, 26 décembre 2010 - 01:19 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

I always see Renegade Shepard as a comic relief person, Honestly would anybody follow this guy into combat?

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 26 décembre 2010 - 01:46 .

[Pyrate_d]

Male shepard doesn't have the charisma to make a paragon playthrough interesting, so I end up going mostly renegade. There are a few decisions that are just too renegade to be fun for me, but in general it's nice to shoot off the funny one liners

[lv427]

Awesome post. And I think it's great that you put in the time and effort to share the experience of ME with your grandfather.

[didymos1120]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I'm curious what are exactly the renegade actions of Shepard that the Grandpa disapproves of?

I mean Renegade Shepard does punch people, but never his crew. He never orders anybody to hit the deck and give him fifty. Not even Johny Gauche for his left-handed salute in the server room.

I think this stuff is totally made up.

Wrex:  C'mon, Full-On RenShep!  Please! Help me understand why we gotta do this.  Just gimme something!

Full-On RenShep: STFU.  Do what you're @#%$ing told.

Wrex: Seriously!?

Full-on RenShep: Yep.

Full-on RenShep's Gun: BANG!

Wrex:  Ack!  *dies*

Full-on RenShep:  Can somebody dump this thing in the swamp?  Kthx.  Stupid krogan.

Modifié par didymos1120, 26 décembre 2010 - 03:18 .