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[GehnTheGrey]

Hathur wrote...

GehnTheGrey wrote...
P.S
How do you get access to all the Mass Effect vids? I'd like to do some editing with them myself.

Heh, the hard way.. I play the game, record it with a program called FRAPS, using VirtualDub to edit / compress the files.. it's a lot of work, but I find it fun... like a personal log of my journeys through Mass Effect.

Ah I'm not adverse to a bit of hard work. Thanks alot man, i'll check FRAPS out!

[joltmajor]

Nice read.



I tried doing my play-throughs for ME1&2 in a mixed manner, ie magnanimous towards my allies, but ruthless vs. my enemies. Unfortunately, neither game rewarded for the more realistic style, and in fact, penalized for it by not allowing access to the higher paragon/renegade options. :/

[Hathur]

Bigdoser wrote...

Can I meet your grandpa? He sounds awesome. Its quite funny that a war vet would consider paragon shep a very good leader while some people on this board call paragon shep stupid. Anyway people have different prespectives.

I just asked him about this actually (I read some of the forum replies to him, he sends his thanks to everyone who wrote kind words)...

Anyhow, I discussed this idea of how paragon Shep is typically perceived as "stupid" ... or more accurately, has "Honor Before Reason"... namely dealing with how ME2 ends for a paragon vs a renegade.

He says that while from tactical and strategic perspective, he can see why some would condemn the paragon choice, he again told me of an important difference in the War between how Canadian troops treated captured German soldiers vs how Germans treated captured Canadians... It's a real-life example  of Honor Before Reason.

(The following is a summation of his explanation) - In the War, logic tells you that it's best to get whatever information you can get out of a capture soldier, then kill him.... keeping him alive means leaving behind additional (and needed) soldiers to guard them, feed them, transport them... take care of them, basically.

Killing the captured Germans would have been the logical course of action.

At this point in the war, Canadian forces were stretched thin and worked to near death by British command.... many Canadian units began to get captured / routed. The Germans executed over 70% of captured Canadian soldiers.

Canadian forces, stretched thin and overworked - took 99% of all surendering German forces alive and held as prisoners (individual soldiers did on occassion commit murder against captured enemy soldiers out of hatred and grief over lost brothers... but this was rare, isolated and the standing order was to always take surrendering soldiers alive).

The Americans & Brits also took their German prisoners alive, rather than executing them like the Germans were doing on a large scale.

"We'd be no better than the goddamned Krauts," <--- Gramps words. "You can't always pick the easiest or smartest choices in life.... sometimes 'right' trumps 'smart', at least if you want to live with yourself."

However, he does explain that his admiration for paragon Shepard had little to do with the strategic choices Shepard make, but more importantly, with how (as a Commander), she treated her subordinates throughout the storyline of ME1 & 2. The way she showed understanding, compassion, concern for their well-being and problems.... Shep was a commander who listened and cared about her troops, looked after them.

He disliked Renegade Shep because he brow-beats his men - puts them down, has no interest in their problems or concerns (or complains that he needs to deal with their problem, shows disinterest and even disdain at them) He treats them like instruments rather than people.... sadly, people existed like that in the second Great War, and it got a lot of good boys killed needlessly.

As gramps put it: "He's a jackass that couldn't muster enough confidence in his men to climb a tree to save a kitten in the real world, unless he did it at gunpoint."

[Bigdoser]

Very interesting, say thanks to your grandpa for the story.

[belwin]

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

Great story.
Thank your grandfather for serving for me.

^ this.

gives a new perspective on my paragon shep.

[Bigdoser]

belwin wrote...

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

Great story.
Thank your grandfather for serving for me.

^ this.

gives a new perspective on my paragon shep.

Indeed I think this topic gave alot of people a different prespective on paragon shep.

[Daniel Anteron]

Very cool story, and I totally agree with your grandpa. You can't treat the people who follow you like crap and expect them to do what you say. At least not for long. Tell him I said thanks for serving and fighting over there. The world is a better place because of men like him who stood up to the tyrany of the German people of that era.

[Arken]

joltmajor wrote...

Nice read.

I tried doing my play-throughs for ME1&2 in a mixed manner, ie magnanimous towards my allies, but ruthless vs. my enemies. Unfortunately, neither game rewarded for the more realistic style, and in fact, penalized for it by not allowing access to the higher paragon/renegade options. :/

I have not tried mixed on ME2 yet, but doing it in ME1 allowed me to still get the besieged base assignment.

On-Topic: To the OP, I guess your Grandfather's view on treating enemies is understandable, but I porobably wouldn't penalize those who killed German prisoners out of hate.

Personally this makes me wonder how in real life I would make these choices.

[Elvis_Mazur]

I enjoyed the little history; your grandpa really said some valid points. I tend to agree with some of the thoughts of the renegade side; never let anyone get in the way of the mission is just an example of that. But I always tended to be more paragon than renegade when dealing with those under my command, and I because of this I enjoyed even more what your grandpa said.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Wow, that last post about gramps was very thought provoking. His way of seeing things is so... down to earth, compared to much of the adrenaline-junky frag-fest obsessed youth of today. I could probably sit and listen to this guy talk all day.

Another good read in this thread. Thank your grandpa for serving for us in the war.

[Praetor Knight]

The realities of warfare is something, I too did not like taking renegade options towards my squad, and I also found it unbelievable that the squad and crew would trust Shep if treated poorly, and then you get into that gray area when you treat others outside your unit poorly.



@Hathur, Thanks for sharing! Your grandpa sounds like an awesome dude, and he likes Sci-Fi too. : ) I think it's great to hear that from someone who had to lived through it, words of wisdom. And thank your grandpa for his service, for me.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Thank you (and your grandpa) for the post, Hathur. Made me proud I'm roleplaying a paragade FemShep.

[Xalena]

awww I wish that my grandpa is like this xD mine just talks about fishing and his health problems. Wanna exchange? Joking joking my Shep was totally paragon in Me1 but in Me2 is paragade. I wonder what he thinks about squadmates, especially aliens in game. Thanks for nice read.

[DrBobcat]

You have quite an awesome grandpa. Glad to hear such a unique perspective on the story, characters, and so on.

[Monochrome Wench]

Renegade Shepard is an ass lots of the time for no good reason, same as most evil PC options for Bioware games.

[FireEye]

I love your Grandpa.

[Spartas Husky]

lol epic man epic. I can't even imagine at my grands looking at me play videogames............

[SlipperehPuppeh]

Dude, your grandpa sounds really cool. I wish you guys a merry Christmas. Also, tell him I said thank you for serving in the military during WWII. 

I agree with him. Many Renegade decisions just seem stupid. Especially when relating to your squad mates. I almost never pick renegade options when it comes to my squad, and I barely ever pick any of the other options unless a character is REALLY pissing me off...

I've tried playing fully Renegade Shepards before - I just can't do it. I'd never treat someone under my command or authority that way in real life. Why would I do it in a video game?

I think the point of the Paragon vs Renegade system is that you are supposed to choose - but people blindly and completely accept one side or the other. I think it's much better to play a Paragade than it is to play someone fully paragon or fully renegade.

Is your grandpa still excited about Mass Effect 3 after the whole ordeal of Renegade Shepard?

Modifié par SlipperehPuppeh, 24 décembre 2010 - 10:59 .

[supakillaii]

I. . . .

Can you say thank you to him for me?

[Dionkey]

This is a great thread. Your grandfather sounds like a great man, nice to see a change of the same old rehashed theories on here.

[horacethegrey]

This an awesome quote. 

Hathur wrote...
As gramps put it: "He's a jackass that couldn't muster enough confidence in his men to climb a tree to save a kitten in the real world, unless he did it at gunpoint."

Very nice read Hathur! And it's nice to see your grandpa, being a WW2 vet, taking the time to give his thoughts on a game like Mass Effect. My grandpa was a WW2 vet too, but he never shared any of his experiences to me before he died.

Modifié par horacethegrey, 24 décembre 2010 - 11:08 .

[MoogleNut]

Your Gramps is awesome, thanks to you both for a great, insightful look into the realities of command - I always play paragon (FemShep too, cus, y'know, am a girl) and the way he described her and the real life Commanders she can be equated to really makes me feel good about the reasons I play her as I do - pretty much the way I would react myself if placed in the same situation.



Although she does let the odd renegade option slip through now and then (only for those idiots who deserve it, never for her crew - her extended family), she always has time for her crew and thinks nothing of going out of her way to help those that need it.



Had more words in my head to say but am a little drunk since it's Christmas Eve so will just say Happy holidays to you both (however you celebrate them) and I hope your Grandpa is looking forward to seeing Paragon Shep save the galaxy as much as the rest of us....from Paragons everywhere we salute you!

[Zombie Chow]

This is the very best ME story ever.

Hathur wrote...

3) He likes Mass Effect 1 & 2... I made FRAPS recordings of my playthroughs as a paragon and put them on dvds so he could watch them like a movie... he absolutely loves the universe and characters... he's seen the Mass Effect story through the eyes of a female Shepard (as that was my primary character).

4) He's always asking me "When's the next one coming?" (ME3) .. and when will I record / edit all the videos, lol (I edit out the combat, he doesn't care about gameplay stuff.. only dialogue and story).

You frap out ME1 & ME2 for your grandpa?  You are like the best grandson ever.

Dude, I'm seriously ashamed of myself for my lack of filial piety.

[NuclearBuddha]

This is an awesome story. Thanks for sharing.