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[The Smoking Man]

SlipperehPuppeh wrote...

I think the point of the Paragon vs Renegade system is that you are supposed to choose - but people blindly and completely accept one side or the other. I think it's much better to play a Paragade than it is to play someone fully paragon or fully renegade.

Is your grandpa still excited about Mass Effect 3 after the whole ordeal of Renegade Shepard?

The reason people go fully one way or the other is due to the removal of the charm/intimidate skills in ME2, which shoehorns you into one of the either extremes if you want to use charm/intimidate dialogue options. If you import an ME1 save with really high paragon and renegade, going paragade is more doable, but you'll have to re-import the ME1 save, not the ME2 one, if you want to play again with that character, since paragon/renegade points don't carry over from ME2 imports (which is stupid).

[Daewan]

Merry Christmas, super cool grandpa and super cool grandson who shared the story with us! I appreciate effort you put into sharing your story with us.

[Nashiktal]

The fundamental flaw with the whole "Paragon and renegade" argument is that Paragon is associated with "nice" and renegade with "Ass". If bioware had actually followed the proper meaning of paragon and renegade, we wouldnt be having all these stupid arguments about paragon being stupid and renegade being idiots.



Paragon= model soldier/by the books. Not "saint"



Renegade= At all costs, do it my way. Not "ass"

[Fraevar]

Thank you for sharing this story. I am glad your grandfather made this astute observation about how morality is often mismanaged in games.



It always bothered me that Renegade Shepard never has to deal with actual consequences of their behaviour, but gets off scott-free. I was hoping loyalty in ME2 would have dealt with that issue but alas, was not to be.

[Hathur]

Xalena wrote...

awww I wish that my grandpa is like this xD mine just talks about fishing and his health problems. Wanna exchange? Joking joking my Shep was totally paragon in Me1 but in Me2 is paragade. I wonder what he thinks about squadmates, especially aliens in game. Thanks for nice read.

I would say Garrus is his favorite - I could swear I think I saw a tear well up in his eye at the end of Garrus' loyalty mission.

As you can imagine, Garrus' background would share similarities with a man who's seen human beings at their worst... and the struggle at times one must imagineably face not to become as cruel as the cruel people you're out killing on a near daily basis.

He never spoke of it, and I haven't the heart to ask him... but I've always suspected that Gramps had the opportunity to take vengeance on a captured German soldier... I like to think Gramps made the same decision Garrus did under the wing of a paragon Shepard

He laughs repeatedly at Mordin, really loves him as comic relief... Objected to Miranda and Samara a bit ("They shouldn't dress like that.. how are the men supposed to pay attention to what they're shooting?", lol).

He liked Joker because he constantly questioned orders and because Jeff scrutinizes everything... Gramps sees that as due diligence.

He called Illusive man Stalin and hopes he dies in ME3, hehe.

Doesn't seem to have an opinion on Jacob.. says "He's just, there." No lasting impression I guess... most of us can probably agree with Gramps on that heh.

He liked Tali because she comes across as a wandering, lost soul (from ME1) trying to find her place... then finds a place with Shepard where she learns and develops some inner strength. "She was so unsure of herself and meek in the first one (ME1).. but being near Shepard gave her some strength and confidence later on (ME2)."

Liara reminds him of a librarian he dated before the war, lol. No other real opinion on her other than he found how she changed so much in Me2 to be rather believable, considering the loss and grief she was put through.

He liked Ashley and Kaidan in ME1 - says they felt believable as soldiers and enjoyed how they were stark contrasts to one another. Kaidan thinks things through like a few sergeants Gramps knew (but criticizes Kaidan's lack of outward confidence.. crucial for leadership) and Ashley reminded him a lot of the hard-nosed ground pounders he served with, so he felt at-home when dealing with her.

Gramps thinks "a retarded chimp wrote the reuinion with Shepard" (when Ashely or Kaidan reunite with Shep on horizon). So he didn't like their brief portrayal in ME2. Says, "They're soldiers... they'd understand Shepard."

I'd tell you more what he feels about the others, but my father shooed Gramps away to go take his nap, hehe.

Gotta make sure the old fella lives long enough to see ME3 afterall

Modifié par Hathur, 24 décembre 2010 - 11:41 .

[Merllle]

I wish to sincerely thank you for sharing that story with us. That was an incredible read and an insight from a man who knew it all like none of us ever had and has an incredible life experience. Your grandpa sounds like an amazing person. Thank you for sharing it with us:)

[AllenShepard]

This is the best thread the new forums have ever seen.

[Spartas Husky]

garrus.... tali.... sucha wonderful explanation... man tear right there

[Hathur]

Daewan wrote...

Merry Christmas, super cool grandpa and super cool grandson who shared the story with us! I appreciate effort you put into sharing your story with us.

Thanks   I've always enjoyed sharing my grandfather's life experience to others.. I admire him - he's lived through things I could have never fathomed without his telling of it (and history books don't do it justice). He lived in a time where the mettle of men were put to impossible tests and burden -- I for one can't say I'd have come out alive and strong from it, like he did.

I'll never know suffering & hardhsip like his generation did... and I likely never will in my lifetime thanks to the Greatest Generation

As Gramps put it to me many years ago: "If you never need to call upon the best and worst of your generation like that again, all the hell and horror we went through will be goddamn worth it".

Modifié par Hathur, 24 décembre 2010 - 11:54 .

[soignee]

AllenShepard wrote...

This is the best thread the new forums have ever seen.

Pretty much this, thanks for sharing =)

[Phaedon]

He called Illusive man Stalin and hopes he dies in ME3, hehe.

Enough to try to re-rate this thread 5 stars.

[Ahglock]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Thank you for sharing this story. I am glad your grandfather made this astute observation about how morality is often mismanaged in games.

It always bothered me that Renegade Shepard never has to deal with actual consequences of their behaviour, but gets off scott-free. I was hoping loyalty in ME2 would have dealt with that issue but alas, was not to be.

People say the same thing about paragon shep.  How would ME1 end if the renegade fans wrote the paragon ending.  "Critical Mission Failure" perhaps. 

Life is rarely one of the other.  Sure the allied forces treated prisoners well by comparison, but we still bombed the hell out of dresden, threw people into a meat grinder on D-Day because victory at any cost was acceptable etc.(even though it was absurdly well planned it still was a meat grinder and they knew that in advance, would FULL paragon shep give those orders, or would he give orders for a less costly but likely less successful attack?)  If the ****'s or Japan had developed the A-Bomb but did not have time to delploy it would we leave it to rot after we took over because they used questionable methods to create it?

It is like in D&D when people insist on playing there Paladins as Lawful Stupid instead of Lawful Good.  You can do the right thing and not be an idiot about it, and you an be an ends focussed individual without being an ass. 

[skcm]

soignee wrote...

AllenShepard wrote...

This is the best thread the new forums have ever seen.

Pretty much this, thanks for sharing =)

Agreed.  Thank you so much, and thanks to your Gramps for serving, as well as making me want to play through another Paragon run.

P.S. I'm jealous.  My family members play WoW and Mahjongg.  D:

[Seinta]

To be honest i thought that this will be a boring thread, but i was wrong.

Your grandpa is awesome and its good to hear his opinion.

And your awesome cuz you share all of this with us.

[blocks]

This is awesome, I've thought for a while that renegade shepard was done wrong, more of just an **** than a real badass. Then again paragon shep is irritating too if you ask me :/ neither really fit with me but oh well, good game anyways.

[mattylee10]

Nice to get an opinion on Mass effect from someone who's served in the military during a major conflict, thanks for sharing. Hope your granddad enjoys ME3 when it comes out.

Also hope someone from Bioware reads this and takes note.

[DKnightPortela]

As an ex soldier first and foremost thank ya grandfather for serving for me, he did his duty, passed the torch to the generations until it came to me, i did my job and now its up to the newer generations. From one soldier to another i admire your grandfather. Do tell him that.

For his inside he is DEAD ON, i have been in these forums many times saying that when you portray military you have to TALK TO SOLDIERS! Devs are civilians that never get military experience.

I also agree that renegade shep is an ass. I woulndt move a muscule for him/her, as i didnt for the so many sargeants and officers that i got that i was sure would get me killed, and followed the ones if need be to hell itself for they were my brothers.

Modifié par DKnightPortela, 25 décembre 2010 - 12:25 .

[Dead2Rights]

Awesome thread. Wish I had would have gotten the chance to talk to Grampfather about his expierences during the war. As others have said tell him thanks for serving.

[AntiChri5]

This is why i am only able to be renegade to my crew on one Shepard, and i only managed to get through that playthrough by sincerely hoping he dies in ME 3.

I mean, they are my crew. If you can't treat the men and women under your command with respect and dignity then frankly you have no business leading them.

I predict that Epic Gramps will have his own fangroup before this thread ends.



And i really want to know what he thinks of Ronald Taylor (Jacobs dad).

[Yenkaz]

As for TIM - He is the only reason that I have always, unconditionally, refused to let the Reaper space station remain.

In lieu of the Stalin comparison - it felt like handing nuclear technology to Stalinist Russia in the middle of WW2 while stopping the allies from ever obtaining them - sure it would help the war effort but what about afterwards?

Same for saving the Council - This is war, you do not alienate your allies to save yourself when the entire galaxy is at stake.

I would say that I could never go 100% paragon, usually 75/25 - particularly some of the pre-emptive quicktimes were just fighting smart, not really being cruel (and sometimes snarking at the Turian Councillor just felt that good - even if he is playing the role of "bad councilman".)

Modifié par Yenkaz, 25 décembre 2010 - 12:49 .

[drwells123]

Hathur wrote...

As Gramps put it to me many years ago: "If you never need to call upon the best and worst of your generation like that again, all the hell and horror we went through will be goddamn worth it".

Heh that reminds me, what's he think of Zaeed?

Great thread and thank you for sharing. You should have your Grandpa get an account on here

[WyldeChylde]

Wow. Just: Wow.

Thank you for sharing your story, Hathur. Your grandpa sounds like an awesome guy. Have a Merry Christmas! 

[Seagloom]

I caught this off of my feed and just wanted to add to the choir of positive comments. It was a fascinating read for your grandfather's insights into WW2 alone. The Mass Effect commentary was an added bonus. Thanks for sharing.

[Schneidend]

So...because you showed your grandfather a narrow view of Renegade Shepards by just picking every dickbag option the game offers, and your grandfather didn't like it...Renegade is bad?



All due respect to your war veteran grandfather, that's moronic.

[Pacifien]

How is it moronic that someone would create an opinion off the information he's been given? Blame the information for being limited, I suppose.