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[MajesticJazz]

Here is the link to the article: http://www.gamezenith.com/?p=1042


Thoughts?

Modifié par MajesticJazz, 24 décembre 2010 - 07:29 .

[Code_R]

Woah now, get some paragraphs in there before the TLDR replies come in. As for your question - it's very likely ME1 will now be disregarded in the long run. From a money making point of view, a confusing PS3 title that makes links to a PC game they have not played isn't going to gel. This was exactly my worry when MS said that nobody on PS was going to get to play ME1. Undermined is an understatment.

Edit : oh you removed the wall, fair enough.

Modifié par Code_R, 24 décembre 2010 - 07:34 .

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

If it makes the comic, I would assume that it would be relevant. That's different from a decision - in other words, if the comic talks about Feros in-depth but doesn't let you make a choice, then Feros may still "matter." Conservation of detail and all that.

[Ruthless Xero]

Seeing as the Interactive Comic is only for PS3 owners, and if you don't import a save from ME1 to ME2 it goes under the assumption that you got the worst choices and ending in ME1, I'd say that this article is a load of crock. There's a whole bunch of extra stuff, minor though it may be, you get with importing a save. Plus, there was even a statue of Saren in Stolen Memory.

[sympathy4saren]

Saving galactic civilization down to saving Earth.



Yes, an appeasement has been made to others.

[Hathur]

While the comic book makes the best of a bad situation for the PS3 gamers, it still won't capture the context of ME1.



Mass Effect is powerful and emotional because it's the journey that we feel... when you're playing the same shepard (import) from ME1 in ME2, you feel attached even more so to that character "Man, the places I've been... things I've seen".... you lose that impact when you're simply told about it in short dialogue bubbles of a comic.



As the old adage goes... "Show.. don't tell" .... the comic tells, ME1 shows.

[MajesticJazz]

Ruthless Xero wrote...

Seeing as the Interactive Comic is only for PS3 owners, and if you don't import a save from ME1 to ME2 it goes under the assumption that you got the worst choices and ending in ME1, I'd say that this article is a load of crock. There's a whole bunch of extra stuff, minor though it may be, you get with importing a save. Plus, there was even a statue of Saren in Stolen Memory.

Actually you're wrong, the Interactive Comic will also be available for PC and Xbox 360 owners.

[Mister Mida]

It's certainly something that could happen, considering EA's history.

[Sparda Stonerule]

Ruthless Xero wrote...

Seeing as the Interactive Comic is only for PS3 owners, and if you don't import a save from ME1 to ME2 it goes under the assumption that you got the worst choices and ending in ME1, I'd say that this article is a load of crock. There's a whole bunch of extra stuff, minor though it may be, you get with importing a save. Plus, there was even a statue of Saren in Stolen Memory.

Well they did announce that the comic will be fore 360 and PC users as well. That was a couple days ago. But still my answer is no. Mass Effect is still important and is the only way to get the full experience.

Also whoever said that ME 3 is down to saving Earth I'd like to ask you to get out of here. If you honestly think you'll only be saving Earth you have no idea what's going on. That British soldier is only concerned about Earth, so he's saying if they don't get help soon then it'll be gone. That could just as easily mean Shepard has to choose some planets to save while sacrificing others.

These knee jerk reactions, both of them, before ME 3 has anything more than a minute and a half long trailer is just silly. I know the forum is for about discussing, but I would hope that assumptions would be left out... oh who am I kidding all forums are like this.

[Code_R]

LOL quality gaming might be dead if they go down that path perhaps.

[marshalleck]

"think about it, it just makes sense."



Always a compelling argument. /snicker

[marshalleck]

jollyorigins wrote...

Ruthless Xero wrote...

Seeing as the Interactive Comic is only for PS3 owners.

It's now available for 360/PC as well, so I can completely understand this article because EA are really undermining ME1 just because it's not "their" game. I'm actually terrified what will happen to Bioware after Mass Effect and Dragon Age are done because EA no longer want to do single player games as, apparently, they are dead.

Bioware has had one foot in the grave since they optioned a KoTOR MMO. I can't think of a worse genre to work in the very volatile field that is video game development. Honestly I think it's going to sink them. Nobody has been able to pull off a success in the last 6 years--at best, some merely survive.

[Code_R]

The Old Republic is certainly an odd choice considering the genre, it's not something that will mix well online without dropping a lot of the usual character dialogue choices or whatever. I'd hoped that it wasn't a real sign of things to come, but you never know I guess.

Modifié par Code_R, 24 décembre 2010 - 07:51 .

[Gemini1179]

A business is a business. Just like unique 'outfits' for companions which lead to 'Alternate Appearance Packs" (for purchase)... which we will be seeing in every BW/EA RPG game with companions from now on...



As for ME1 mattering? Not anymore. All the 'little additions' to ME2 resulting from decisions in ME1 are nothing more than fluff. Rana Thanoptus, Fist, Helena Blake-> and the rest of the interesting and unique characters you met in ME1 that can come back in ME2 are nothing more than a few lines of dialogue, with the exception of Conrad Verner, Shiala, and Gianna.

[Code_R]

And Conrad has been broken since release - I doubt he will be in ME3 now.

[marshalleck]

Code_R wrote...

And Conrad has been broken since release - I doubt he will be in ME3 now.

And people still fail to understand--Conrad is broken because he was broken in ME1, resulting in him being broken in ME2. To fix him, they'd have to go back and push out a patch to ME1, a game which is obviously well past its live support.

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 décembre 2010 - 07:55 .

[matt-bassist]

oh who am I kidding all forums are like this.
- Sparda Stonerule

so true man. human beings naturally assume the worst when they are ill-informed. we have yet to see ANYTHING about ME3 except a short CGI trailer, and from this as well as the PS3 release of ME2, a lot of people have locked into FREAKOUT mode.

what is so bad about Bioware creating a cool interactive comic for PS3 users to catch up on the story? shouldn't you be relieved that they are doing this? i mean, despite catering to a large market, and gettng them up to speed, they're also ensuring that ME1 DOES matter.

If anything, the interactive comic is doing the exact opposite of undermining ME1; it's enabling Bioware to keep the whole trilogy cohesive.

So, in other words, stfu and stop freaking out.<_<

Modifié par matt-bassist, 24 décembre 2010 - 08:03 .

[Uszi]

I disagree with about every premise in the first few paragraphs.



Like he starts by asking that I grant him that A New Hope was more Memorable than Empire Strikes, back, which I cannot. Empire > A New hope. 'Nuff said.



Then he states that EA is conspiring to make ME1 an unnecessary prequel. Which I see no evidence of.



At this point, I stopped reading, due to the odor of copious B.S.

[marshalleck]

Uszi wrote...

I disagree with about every premise in the first few paragraphs.

Like he starts by asking that I grant him that A New Hope was more Memorable than Empire Strikes, back, which I cannot. Empire > A New hope. 'Nuff said.

Then he states that EA is conspiring to make ME1 an unnecessary prequel. Which I see no evidence of.

At this point, I stopped reading, due to the odor of copious B.S.

 

You missed the best supporting argument he had: "just think about it, it makes sense."

[ItsFreakinJesus]

jollyorigins wrote...

Ruthless Xero wrote...

Seeing as the Interactive Comic is only for PS3 owners.

It's now available for 360/PC as well, so I can completely understand this article because EA are really undermining ME1 just because it's not "their" game. I'm actually terrified what will happen to Bioware after Mass Effect and Dragon Age are done because EA no longer want to do single player games as, apparently, they are dead.

No, they no longer want single player only games.  All of their games from now on will have some sort of online or multiplayer component.

That doesn't necessarily mean multiplayer deathmatch, it could simply be some sort of community aspect, co-op, or a constant stream of DLC.  Games with story modes will still come out, it's just that, in the future, the story mode won't be the only thing on the disc.  Look at Uncharted 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4 for example.  Both games have extensive single player portions, but also have a multiplayer component.  EA wants to do more games like that.  

And really, it makes sense as multiplayer is the way the market is going, but there's still going to be a large market for single player experiences.

Instead of making two different products to do the same thing, they can accomplish the same goal using one game. 

For example, if EA wanted to make a sci-fi shooter to compete with Halo, instead of creating a new game, they could, for example, take Mass Effect 3 gameplay engine, strip the RPG stat and gameplay mechanics out, and toss it back inside of the Mass Effect 3 package, giving them the sci-fi shooter that they would have wanted. 

The plus side is that it wouldn't impact the Mass Effect 3 game proper even though both would run on the same engine (similarly to the single player and multiplayer portions of Medal of Honor, which was done by two different development studios), they'd save money on development since they wouldn't have to start from scratch, and they have a popular franchise to infiltrate the market with, giving them a better shot at having a successful multiplayer component.




On to the original topic, Mass Effect 1 does matter, otherwise they wouldn't have made a comic for the game

[sympathy4saren]

Sure, we have seen more than a short CGI trailer. We read the description, the official description, of the friggin game.



Apparently many haven't.

[Lumikki]

Not much to say, same old stuff. Someone blaming someone else when they get disapointed that something is't the way they wanted.

[IRMcGhee]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Sure, we have seen more than a short CGI trailer. We read the description, the official description, of the friggin game.

Apparently many haven't.

Yet some of those who have think they know the entire plot from a couple of lines of a marketing blurb, and start 101 "dumbed-down, EA are evil blah blah blah" threads.