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[marshalleck]

IRMcGhee wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Sure, we have seen more than a short CGI trailer. We read the description, the official description, of the friggin game.

Apparently many haven't.

Yet some of those who have think they know the entire plot from a couple of lines of a marketing blurb, and start 101 "dumbed-down, EA are evil blah blah blah" threads. 

People start "EA ruined Bioware 4EVER!!!" threads over any little thing. Just shrug it off and laugh at them. 

[samurai crusade]

I would like a special Thorian story-line or something like that to reward players who have played ME1. I don't think it's a pointless prequel. There were still plenty of side-stories and galactic adventures that PS3 players will never experience. There are people you run into in the galaxy that carried over from ME1 that I'm sure you wont see in the PS3 version.

[Sith Reaper]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Sure, we have seen more than a short CGI trailer. We read the description, the official description, of the friggin game.

Apparently many haven't.

Right. Because those two sentence descriptions tell everything about the game.

Here is Mass Effect 1's description:

"As the first humans on the galactic stage, you must uncover the greatest
threat to civilization. Their job is complicated by the fact that no
one will believe the truth, but the world must be convinced of the grave
threat at hand."

Would we be able to tell the epic that it became from that description? Would we be able tot tell from the one minute trailer they released a year before release? No, not in the slightest. I think people forget that before Mass Effect came out, people were very worried about how it would turn out. Look where it is now!

Earth being the only planet in ME3? That's a conclusion with no backing whatsoever. The trailer shows Earth, so that must mean it's the only one, right? Exploration has always been a part of Mass Effect, if it wasn't included, a main feature of the game, the galaxy map, would be removed. That will probably not be happening. Furthermore, I don't see how tying up plot lines such as the quarians and so on would be done by staying on Earth.

As to EA undermining Mass Effect 1: give me a break. Microsoft is not letting go of the rights to Mass Effect 1, so the next best thing BioWare can do is to deliver some of the experience to the PS3 users via the comic, and give some choices to them. Does that mean the others don't matter? Absolutely not! You'll find many minor choices end with things like 'We'll fight again, I know it!' Rescuing Kirrahe, etc.

Point being: those who played Mass Effect will definitely get their due for it, the comic is there to give PS3 players the chance to have some choice in Mass Effect and enjoy some of the story as they might never be able to play it. I see the comic as a way of showing that it DOES matter in ME3, there would be no reason to include it if it didn't!

[GhostwriterDoF]

Older games are still selling folks. Great games with Single-Player elements have strong residual sales for up to 5 years and continue 10 to 12 years or more. Multiplayer based games don’t have the longevity in residual sales and can’t compete on that level. The only exception for MP games’ longevity in sales and re-playability other than having Mod Tools might be if some studio comes along and creates a really good dedicated coop Player against AI type environment.

Any Game Developers that are thinking about abandoning AI support for their productions are flirting with disaster in trying to compete with other studios, especially now where some Developers are planning on taking AI to a new era of design and implementation.

Since I’m running Win 7, I’ve been hesitant on getting ME1, being unsure about the digital purchase content, and because I don’t know if I want to be editing my Registry just to install Bring down the Skies. I’m also not sure if I get a used hard copy of ME1 that I will be able register it with a different email than that the original owner. Bleh.. If there weren’t so many install issues to consider, I would already have played through ME1 with both the DLCs.

I might wait till Bioware releases all three ME games (or a ME1 and ME2 Gold pack which includes all content for both games) in a new hard copy DvD for the PC. Or if Bioware cleans up the installs for the Digital Purchase products (Including the publicly released Bring Down the Skies DLC).

Now that Dragon’s Age Origins Ultimate has been released, I’m actually looking at that instead of ME1.. But wouldn’t you know it, they didn’t include the Blood Dragon Armor!



Again, it’s the Holidays, gifting, giving and new gaming days, yet still we return to the great games of our yesterdays. Mods in Modding Communities are still being created and updated for many of these old frames of our Christmas past, for which we awaited and anticipated the newest releases, expansion packs and mod tools.

Seeing as how the newer games are gravitating to be less and less content while their costs continue rising, I also say long live the Games of Yesterday!

A Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and Good Modding to all here in the ME / DA Community, and a nod to all here from Modding Communities active around the world for the new and older games.

[Nashiktal]

Assume the worst, hope for the best. Worked for me since I grew out of childhood. If its bad, you are not disappointed, if its good, well pleasant surprise isnt it?

[Hwalkerl]

Wow I hope this doesn't effect the prospect of a movie based on ME1...

[Dionkey]

I don't understand how EA has any hand whatsoever in ME's plot.

ME1 had a simple plot to base off so casuals could understand it pretty easily without going too in depth but at the same time had a rich amount of content for hardcore players to dig in on. ME2's plot was obviously worse and riddled with holes but I don't think EA had a hand in it. The marketing campaign and overhaul for sure but not the plot, that was biowares doing. EA only got them to open it to a wider audience, the plot had no role in that.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Quote" When Bioware did mention ME1, it was always in a very condescending way
when in reality; Mass Effect 1 had the better story, narrative, and
immersion.
....
If you own a Xbox 360, but do not own ME1, well EA would rather you use
the interactive comic to “relive” the ME experience rather than go out
and purchase Mass Effect 1 because they get nothing out of it. It is sad
because Mass Effect 1 has this magic that Mass Effect 2 just did not
have.I really felt like I was introduced into this brand new galaxy and its
struggles in ME1, something that I did not experience with ME2. Mass
Effect 1 was very mystical and if you read the Mass Effect: Revelation
novel, Mass Effect 1 is an even more rewarding experience.
" Endquote

Seriously. This. Truth.

This article nails it on the head. We'll probably never get any kind of confirmation, but the conclusions and observations that are made in this article are dead on the mark. Bioware should heed this article. Its proof that people outside this forum have serious misgivings about the direction of Mass Effect trilogy and how it took a nose dive in immersion and magic from ME1 to ME2.

But hey, its ok, just slap another "mission complete" screen or another "dynamic loading screen" or make us "PRESS F TO END MISSION" or mine some more unremarkable ugly as shi* planets in the downgraded ME2 galaxy map or "explore" 20 square feet in a straight line with the hammerhead. It'll make it all better.

<_<

[chaosapiant]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't separate the games at all. What we have so far is just 66% of one big game. I never play one over the other, I always start characters fresh and play them through both games, just like I did/do in Baldur's Gate.

[Schneidend]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Saving galactic civilization down to saving Earth.

Yes, an appeasement has been made to others.

I'm not entirely certain about this admittedly minor detail...but if I recall Earth is in the Milky Way Galaxy. Y'know, where this "galactic civilization" you're referring to also resides. Are you suggesting we save everything BUT Earth?

Anyway, as to the OP, I don't even have to read the article to know it's inane. The interactive comic is Mass Effect 1 content re-packaged so PS3 owners get a chance to make those decisions. So, obviously ME1 still matter if they're still making content about it.

[InfiniteCuts]

*shrugs* there's no way to prove these type of claims... but I certainly wouldn't put it past EA. It's really not as wild a theory as some are making it out to be... makes a lot of sense from a business perspective alone. In the process, however, they are indeed ruining their IP if they actively work to differentiate the series from its origin.

Two things would pretty much solidify this theory for me: 1. If the overall tone/appearance or any relevant plot points in the comic differ significantly to Mass Effect and 2. if there are any kind of internet-based marketing gimmicks tied to EA accounts. Thus far, Mass Effect is the definitive experience in this series to myself and many others... dismiss it at your own peril, BioWare.

Modifié par InfiniteCuts, 25 décembre 2010 - 03:16 .

[Hwalkerl]

InfiniteCuts wrote...

*shrugs* there's no way to prove these type of claims... but I certainly wouldn't put it past EA. It's really not as wild a theory as some are making it out to be... makes a lot of sense from a business perspective alone. In the process, however, they are indeed ruining their IP if they actively work to differentiate the series from its origin.

Two things would pretty much solidify this theory for me: 1. If the overall tone/appearance or any relevant plot points in the comic differ significantly to Mass Effect and 2. if there are any kind of internet-based marketing gimmicks tied to EA accounts. Thus far, Mass Effect is the definitive experience in this series to myself and many others... dismiss it at your own peril, BioWare.

I highly dount that Microsoft has Creative rights to the content and ideas within the franchise.  I think what the author is alluding to in the article is the idea that Microsoft has sole distribution rights with significant roaylity benefits tied into the sale of ME1 products partially because they were producers.  I think the story did not suffer because it could not draw correlations but did so because of "sub par story stucture" from the first game.  I think EA/Bioware have sole creative control now being the fact that microsoft had a stake in ME1,  yet bioware probably had written in the contract any sequals/prequals/off shoots are solely it's property and with respect to creative contorl they were also sole owners.  Like the article aludes maybe EA/Bioware is trying to distance itself from the first product because of profit margins related to the sale of the game which are considerably less when the product is partly owned by another company. But still I don't understand how this would effect sales of ME2 beauce if anything it would draw more people into the franchise.  Not sure whats happening behind the scenes.  Maybe Microsoft didn't want to foot the "exclusive" ownership bill,  it is quite expensive to by exclusivity rights to a franchise.

W/E I just hope content related to ME1 is not tied into any contractual agreement with microsoft or else the "Movie may suffer" if it tries to draw certain plot points from ME1.  

Yet I do agree as many others do with you about the immersion and ME1 being the pinnacle of the fanchise so far even though certain elements were improved in ME2 others were either completely forgotton or removed and the main plot line was forsaken for piece-mail subplots, which weren't bad but take away from the grand opera I was expecting from the franchise!

Modifié par Hwalkerl, 25 décembre 2010 - 03:39 .

[sympathy4saren]

Mass Effect is the definitive game in this series sofar. Not ironically, it was before the fps crowed got involved.

[Sparda Stonerule]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Mass Effect is the definitive game in this series sofar. Not ironically, it was before the fps crowed got involved.

First of all it has Third Person elements. Not first. That's something your type has an ongoing issue with. Differentiating between gameplay styles. Second I didn't know we were making silly baseless statements. So I'll add one, it seems like a lot of fun. Mass Effect was a decent game but it catered to RPG fans who only want the same old same old which would lead the genre to stagnation and utter tedium. 

Man no wonder you guys say things the way you do, it's really fun to vent about stuff that doesn't matter on a forum.

[Hwalkerl]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Mass Effect is the definitive game in this series sofar. Not ironically, it was before the fps crowed got involved.

I think Bioware realized that FPS is such a huge market portion and that to incrase the flow of the game by increasing the linearity of the levels and focusing on combat it would draw more of that type of player in.  Thats why you find so many individuals claiming that ME2 was better.  Although combat improved immersion was lost and the franchise fell from grace,  for the great rift between the balance of RPG elements to FPS elements came into light and the Gamers from ME1 now feel almost betrayed.  This is what happens when companies look at the bottom line they cater to what is popular even though they may forsake their niche market which they caterted to so well. I hope with you that immersion along with more RPG elements with wide open spaces are brought back and the main story takes the forfront in ME3 or else there never will have been a frans=chise in my mind only the first game.  The best game ME1!

[Schneidend]

How, exactly, are ME1's combat areas any more or less linear than ME2's? Are there branching routes that take you through the content differently on Eden Prime or the Prothean Superhighway and I just never found them?



"Immersion." The use of a meaningless buzz word can only weaken your argument, I'm afraid. How exactly was your "immersion" lost?



The balance of RPG elements to FPS elements? Well, I can see where you would see a disparity between the two, as there were no first-person shooter elements at all in ME2. If you're referring to how the level up/skill system and inventory system were changed, well, those are still RPG elements. That you happen to not like how they function now does not magically make them NOT RPG elements, no matter how hard you pout.

[SSV Enterprise]

All the paranoid, groundless fears that ME1 will somehow be forgotten in the story makes me laugh. Then it makes me frustrated. Come on, people, the BioWare founders are in charge of EA's whole RPG division. Do we not trust that they, the same people who brought us games like Baldur's Gate and Knights of the Old Republic, will follow through on their ambitions of a sweeping three-part RPG experience?

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 25 décembre 2010 - 04:49 .

[Chris Priestly]

The trailer and few sentence description do not equate to the entirety of Mass Effect 3.



Smart people get this.

[MajesticJazz]

Hwalkerl wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Mass Effect is the definitive game in this series sofar. Not ironically, it was before the fps crowed got involved.

I think Bioware realized that FPS is such a huge market portion and that to incrase the flow of the game by increasing the linearity of the levels and focusing on combat it would draw more of that type of player in.  Thats why you find so many individuals claiming that ME2 was better.  Although combat improved immersion was lost and the franchise fell from grace,  for the great rift between the balance of RPG elements to FPS elements came into light and the Gamers from ME1 now feel almost betrayed.  This is what happens when companies look at the bottom line they cater to what is popular even though they may forsake their niche market which they caterted to so well. I hope with you that immersion along with more RPG elements with wide open spaces are brought back and the main story takes the forfront in ME3 or else there never will have been a frans=chise in my mind only the first game.  The best game ME1!

I was at GDC this year in which I attended a Christina Norman lecture talking about ME2 and why they took away many RPG elements. In short, I remember her saying something like (to paraphrase) "We looked at way Halo/Gears of War players found interesting and we wanted to apply that to ME2"

What Halo/GOW players like is a very streamlined experience with more emphasis on action rather than story. Also Halo/GOW players really care nothing for inventories.

[Chris Priestly]

I'd also suggest that people who complain about a "dumbed down" story, check out the recent awards ME2 has won like best RPG of the year, best story of the year, best character of the year, GAME of the year, etc.

[SSV Enterprise]

Christina Norman is the gameplay designer, not a writer. When she talks about moving it to what Halo/Gears of War players enjoy, she probably means the combat and level design. Her influence over the story, characters, art direction, etc., is likely minimal at best. A guy who actually controls the combat/story ratio would be somebody at the top, like Casey Hudson.

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 25 décembre 2010 - 05:16 .

[ak4115]

-just how overrated one can get?


-how about the best DLC of the year @ gamespot, that does not fit the popamole scheme?
http://www.urbandict...p?term=popamole
http://www.gamespot....dex.html?page=8
...seems so!

Yeh I too think Mass Effect1 would be great if it had new gameplay mechanics and dynamic lightning, it would be would be fine as hell. Dynamic lightning would make it possible to use nice overhead views for tactics and wonderful GFX, maybe even vehicle combat would make sense afterall. ME2 has more in common with doom2.

Modifié par ak4115, 25 décembre 2010 - 07:06 .

[GhostwriterDoF]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'd also suggest that people who complain about a "dumbed down" story, check out the recent awards ME2 has won like best RPG of the year, best story of the year, best character of the year, GAME of the year, etc.

Yes, well, Chris, we already know that Mass Effect 3 is coming, it's still a year away from release and that we've only seen a "Teaser". Besides, not all complaining is bad, since people don’t take the trouble unless they are motivated to care enough to do so.
However, there were enough hints throughout the dialog of ME2 to allude to more than just the end of this trilogy, even leading towards a possible second trilogy.  I’d like to know more about this possibility...

[MajesticJazz]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'd also suggest that people who complain about a "dumbed down" story, check out the recent awards ME2 has won like best RPG of the year, best story of the year, best character of the year, GAME of the year, etc.

True, ME2 did deserve all the awards it got but the consensus is that a lot of people believe ME2's story was inferior to ME1's.

[SSV Enterprise]

"Dumbed down" is not the same thing as "inferior". "Dumbed down" could be a reason why the story might be "inferior", but other reasons include bad characters, bad writing, bad pacing, bad plot twists, etc. "Dumbed down" generally refers to an intentional cutback in quality, but many unintentional problems can also happen.