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[Phaedon]

fmsantos39 wrote...
I think ME2 is the one who will matter less since Yvone (Miranda) posted on her twiter she's not doing ME3, I'm just hoping she just don't know yet she's doing the game voice cause Miranda and Illusive man are the most important chars of ME2, are the ones that shows that ME2 really happened.

She said that she can't say if she will or will not be voice acting in ME3, also, what do you think, she'll just disappear?

Modifié par Phaedon, 25 décembre 2010 - 03:26 .

[10 Steps Back]

All I know it will still matter in my heart

[Nohvarr]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I may disagree with Nohvarr and his opinion of ME2's storyline in comparison to ME's but I respect his opinion all the same. You evidently do not and come across as a troll.

Ah, perhaps we can chat. I'm willing to compromise if you are.

Let's keep ME 2 explanation for side missions and focus on the characters. Lair of the Shadow Broker is a fine example of what can be done when they let a single character shine. Now we need to tie this into the main plot so that it dosen't feel silly for our Sheps to be helping his friends out as the galaxy burns.

Solution

All the returning squad mates and any new ones have connections that can be used to gain the help of their respective people. Miranda can turn all of Cerberus resources over to you (after removing TIM from power), Ash/Kaiden help you get the Alliances head out of it's rear, Thane helps you convince the Hanar to put their Drell assassins at your beck & call, Jacob ralleys the Corsairs, Garrus get's the Turian military or at least C-sec firmly on your side, Zaeed kicks the Batarians out of the Blue Suns and get's them fighting for earth (Zaeed: "Shepard, you concentrate on finding a way to win, we'll concentrate on making them pay for every inch of ground) and so on and so forth.

As for the desire for larger areas. Places like the Citadel and Omega can be opened up and filled with more side quest, stores and what have you. This allows us to see the two different sides of the universe, differing equipment, armor and weapons being sold at these respective places. Perhaps set up Jump Zero as your main staging area if it's still in one piece.

Would that be agreeable to you Endeavor?

[Sith Reaper]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Hahahahahaha. Final Fantasy???? A huge piece of festering crap.

Go browse through all of the forums of Mass Effect and DA and pound your head an additional 9 dozen times, then. Did I ever say they should listen to me alone? YOU are the minority. A false assumption, then spun into an argumentative device. Very weak.

So... you condemn Bioware for your apparent belief they are ignoring you and the RPG crowd than subsequent insult one of the most celebrated RPGs in the history of the genre? Not the most effective approach. Final Fantasy may be a different take on the genre but it is still that and your disregard of it as "festering crap" somewhat hurts your creditability.

Frankly, you are doing a disservice to those of us were desire open discussion with the developers. Spewing this jazz and self-imposed entitlement only accentuates the belief they are liable to have that a thread discussing say Biotics would be a disaster. I may disagree with Nohvarr and his opinion of ME2's storyline in comparison to ME's but I respect his opinion all the same. You evidently do not and come across as a troll.

I would also like to throw something in here. I respect people and their desire to talk to the developers about what they'd like to see and what they think would be good for the series. I'm all for improving the series in whatever way possible. Unfortunately I'm not very creative so I can't help much in that regard. What helps no one though is ME 1 fans who steadfastly say that Mass Effect 2 is dumbed down and bad. I don't mind at all when people say they weren't too happy with it and they would have preferred something a little different. 

Only with people like you helping out will we make any real progress in evolving the series and making it the best it can possibly be. I thank you for your level headed, rational input. It's desperately needed in these times of knee jerk reactions and wild speculations.

Great posts, both of you. I enjoyed the stories and overall games of both Mass Effect 1 and 2, however I have always loved communication between communities and developers. I think it would be a nice opportunity to secure relations with the community, as well as give the developers insight to what they might want to focus on when making the game.

I also think that the reason BioWare doesn't do as much communication until very close to release is because of the threat of changing a feature they said was going to be in the game. DLC in Mass Effect, interrupts, and so on were said to be in the game, but were changed at some point during development. I see where they are coming from in that they don't want to make false promises (they have said this very same thing on the topic of The Old Republic), but I would love to see a compromise in how they communicate. Maybe just to show that they are reviewing such features, or to give reassurance to the community or get feedback. I support that fullheartedly.

Modifié par Sith Reaper, 25 décembre 2010 - 03:34 .

[Sparda Stonerule]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Sparta stonerule...you're funny. I must have your blood boiling right now. Relax bud....and make sure you follow forum guidelines....

I am following them perfectly fine. You are the one taking an openly antagonistic viewpoint. I'm just countering you with your own tactics. You honestly don't have me mad at all. You have me mildly amused because your tactics are very openly troll like and yet people keep trying to reason with you on both sides. However you just keep plugging away with nonsense. So I will keep flinging nonsense back at you so people can see just how vapid you'll become.  

[Sith Reaper]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Sparta stonerule...you're funny. I must have your blood boiling right now. Relax bud....and make sure you follow forum guidelines....

This has made things more clear. I would reckon you are simply attempting to cause trouble, with such provocative posts such as these. Sparta has done an exemplary job of discussing in a civil, and very intelligent, manner.

[Dayshadow]

marshalleck wrote...

Code_R wrote...

And Conrad has been broken since release - I doubt he will be in ME3 now.

And people still fail to understand--Conrad is broken because he was broken in ME1, resulting in him being broken in ME2. To fix him, they'd have to go back and push out a patch to ME1, a game which is obviously well past its live support.

I thought Conrad was supposed to be renegade only carryover, but due to its link to the store discount they tossed it in with paragons despite the dialog incompatibility.  Paragoned Verner goes home and gives up trying to be a hero.

[sympathy4saren]

Well, give me credit...I'm opening gifts and on here at the same time. It's difficult to give full attention.



You can have whatever perception of me you like, I do not care and you are free to that. I'm finding this humorous as well.

[Pacifien]

sympathy4saren wrote...
Sparta stonerule...you're funny. I must have your blood boiling right now. Relax bud....and make sure you follow forum guidelines....

I'm sorry, is that an indication that you are taking amusement in the possibility of getting a rise out of a fellow poster with your words? Because I have a word for that. It's for people who don't follow the forum guidelines and is one of the quickest methods of gaining my ire.

[sympathy4saren]

Take a peak at all the nice stuff people said about me as well.

[Sith Reaper]

Dayshadow wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Code_R wrote...

And Conrad has been broken since release - I doubt he will be in ME3 now.

And people still fail to understand--Conrad is broken because he was broken in ME1, resulting in him being broken in ME2. To fix him, they'd have to go back and push out a patch to ME1, a game which is obviously well past its live support.

I thought Conrad was supposed to be renegade only carryover, but due to its link to the store discount they tossed it in with paragons despite the dialog incompatibility.  Paragoned Verner goes home and gives up trying to be a hero.

I believe there is dialogue in the game that is not used where Conrad refers to paragon Shepard and the paragon ending for that quest.

[Pacifien]

sympathy4saren wrote...
Take a peak at all the nice stuff people said about me as well.

Then report it to a moderator. "They started it" has never worked as an argument in someone's favor if I catch them trolling.

Modifié par Pacifien, 25 décembre 2010 - 03:48 .

[PHub88]

I dont get how anyone can NOT be concerned that ME1 is no longer relevant.



The PS3 players cant get it...I doubt the comic will have these so called "1000" things to carry over like they said ME1 did to ME2...I was already bummed when most choices resulted in NOTHING but an email in ME2...Was this a "getting ready" sort of thing? It was kind of funny how what we did in ME1 nearly had NO consequences in ME2, I bet they did it on purpose because they planned to put ME3 on the PS3. Therefore automatically hindering ME2 for 360 PC fans, ME3 will be what ME2 should of been when it comes to choices mattering. Even with the comic coming out, there is things that a 360 player would want to see that a PS3 player would not understand at all...So EA being EA I dont see them adding in extra stuff for the 360 PC just to be fair to them actually having imports that include ME1...I see them cutting it out by having some ridiculous idea that its the fair thing to do because PS3 cant have it...when its the people who got into the series on this import save crap who are getting jipped by it. I just cant logically accept they would somehow make it work.

[Sparda Stonerule]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Take a peak at all the nice stuff people said about me as well.

I'm relatively sure all people said was that you aren't being helpful and being openly antagonistic. Other than that they were trying to have civil discourse with you at which point you try to marginalize what they said by claiming you are in the majority and you helped make Bioware what it is. So you are the one flagrantly disregarding peoples words and trying to incite open anger towards you. So even if you do have a cause you are rallying for you are not helping it in the slightest. In fact you are one of the reasons that civil conversation breaks down so quickly. So even if you were for openly discussing the game you are severely undermining your own goals.

[Pacifien]

Sith Reaper wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...
I thought Conrad was supposed to be renegade only carryover, but due to its link to the store discount they tossed it in with paragons despite the dialog incompatibility.  Paragoned Verner goes home and gives up trying to be a hero.

I believe there is dialogue in the game that is not used where Conrad refers to paragon Shepard and the paragon ending for that quest.

Paragon Conrad in ME2

[Sparda Stonerule]

PHub88 wrote...

I dont get how anyone can NOT be concerned that ME1 is no longer relevant.

The PS3 players cant get it...I doubt the comic will have these so called "1000" things to carry over like they said ME1 did to ME2...I was already bummed when most choices resulted in NOTHING but an email in ME2...Was this a "getting ready" sort of thing? It was kind of funny how what we did in ME1 nearly had NO consequences in ME2, I bet they did it on purpose because they planned to put ME3 on the PS3. Therefore automatically hindering ME2 for 360 PC fans, ME3 will be what ME2 should of been when it comes to choices mattering. Even with the comic coming out, there is things that a 360 player would want to see that a PS3 player would not understand at all...So EA being EA I dont see them adding in extra stuff for the 360 PC just to be fair to them actually having imports that include ME1...I see them cutting it out by having some ridiculous idea that its the fair thing to do because PS3 cant have it...when its the people who got into the series on this import save crap who are getting jipped by it. I just cant logically accept they would somehow make it work.

I think this type of reasoning is an over reaction. This is basically saying you don't see how it can matter anymore therefore it won't. I believe that since ME 3 doesn't have to prepare variables for any upcoming game then most of our past choices will pop up in some form or another. I kind of expect to see Toombs come after me, and that convict from Pragia come after me. I am not 100% sure about Balak but that would be awesome if he came back. Anything that shows up in ME 3 that the PS3 owners can't access would be a bonus for PC and 360 users. I don't see it not happening. Naturally I'm nervous that my choices could become irrelevant, however I severely doubt that it will come to that. If it does then yes I will be upset but I'll wait until I get the game to pass judgement.

[Pacifien]

PHub88 wrote...
I dont get how anyone can NOT be concerned that ME1 is no longer relevant.

I understand the concerns, but don't share the sense of imminent doom that others have. Though I'm on record as having stated that I give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.

Mass Effect 1 will always be relevant to me. I have played it. I can't unplay it. I play the following games knowing what I do about what happened in the first game. EA can't undermine that.

Now, my experience is going to be different from someone who didn't play Mass Effect 1, but how they choose to enjoy the story is of no bearing to me. And standing up for Mass Effect 1's continued relevance to the following stories will inevitably bring up comparisons to Mass Effect 2, and since I enjoyed both games, I find it difficult to discuss this with people who only liked the first one.

[marshalleck]

PHub88 wrote...

I dont get how anyone can NOT be concerned that ME1 is no longer relevant.

The PS3 players cant get it...I doubt the comic will have these so called "1000" things to carry over like they said ME1 did to ME2...I was already bummed when most choices resulted in NOTHING but an email in ME2...Was this a "getting ready" sort of thing? It was kind of funny how what we did in ME1 nearly had NO consequences in ME2, I bet they did it on purpose because they planned to put ME3 on the PS3. Therefore automatically hindering ME2 for 360 PC fans, ME3 will be what ME2 should of been when it comes to choices mattering. Even with the comic coming out, there is things that a 360 player would want to see that a PS3 player would not understand at all...So EA being EA I dont see them adding in extra stuff for the 360 PC just to be fair to them actually having imports that include ME1...I see them cutting it out by having some ridiculous idea that its the fair thing to do because PS3 cant have it...when its the people who got into the series on this import save crap who are getting jipped by it. I just cant logically accept they would somehow make it work.

I think it's far more likely that Bioware had to work with some players having never touched Mass Effect and being afraid to purchase ME2 on the pretext that it would be near incomprehensible if they didn't go out and also purchase the first game as well. I think we're going to see the same thing with Mass Effect 3; the majority of decisions made in ME2 will be acknowledged via brief dialogue or snippets of email, and the default Shepard will have a pre-determined set of choices such that he or she has as few ties to previous games as is possible to have, to limit the amount of potentially "confusing" carry-over. I don't like it either, but that seems to be how they've decided to handle it. Perhaps technology is still not up to delivering a truly seamless trilogy of games. 

[PHub88]

Sparda if they went ahead and do that I would love them...but with modern gaming I have learned to not expect anything over the top..Them bothering to still give the 360 and PC fans all the stuff that the PS3 fans just would not understand would be amazing. I say this because honestly, think of how all the choices we made in ME1 impacted ME2...they pretty much did not impact it...a few conversations...couple emails...I fear this simplified way of "keeping our choices" was done becasue they knew they would eventually be releasing it for the PS3, a system in which cannot play ME1. The upside to this is hopefully our choices matter from ME2 like crazy in ME3...I just fear none of the cool things we did in ME1 that where not considered major events will never surface again.

[Sparda Stonerule]

PHub88 wrote...

Sparda if they went ahead and do that I would love them...but with modern gaming I have learned to not expect anything over the top..Them bothering to still give the 360 and PC fans all the stuff that the PS3 fans just would not understand would be amazing. I say this because honestly, think of how all the choices we made in ME1 impacted ME2...they pretty much did not impact it...a few conversations...couple emails...I fear this simplified way of "keeping our choices" was done becasue they knew they would eventually be releasing it for the PS3, a system in which cannot play ME1. The upside to this is hopefully our choices matter from ME2 like crazy in ME3...I just fear none of the cool things we did in ME1 that where not considered major events will never surface again.

Well I believe the emails were a reminder of what we've done and a sort of checklist for stuff we may see in Mass Effect 3. So here's hoping we see these choices come back even if the PS3 owners can't. I share your concerns but I sincerely hope our fears are unfounded. 

[Sith Reaper]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

PHub88 wrote...

I dont get how anyone can NOT be concerned that ME1 is no longer relevant.

The PS3 players cant get it...I doubt the comic will have these so called "1000" things to carry over like they said ME1 did to ME2...I was already bummed when most choices resulted in NOTHING but an email in ME2...Was this a "getting ready" sort of thing? It was kind of funny how what we did in ME1 nearly had NO consequences in ME2, I bet they did it on purpose because they planned to put ME3 on the PS3. Therefore automatically hindering ME2 for 360 PC fans, ME3 will be what ME2 should of been when it comes to choices mattering. Even with the comic coming out, there is things that a 360 player would want to see that a PS3 player would not understand at all...So EA being EA I dont see them adding in extra stuff for the 360 PC just to be fair to them actually having imports that include ME1...I see them cutting it out by having some ridiculous idea that its the fair thing to do because PS3 cant have it...when its the people who got into the series on this import save crap who are getting jipped by it. I just cant logically accept they would somehow make it work.

I think this type of reasoning is an over reaction. This is basically saying you don't see how it can matter anymore therefore it won't. I believe that since ME 3 doesn't have to prepare variables for any upcoming game then most of our past choices will pop up in some form or another. I kind of expect to see Toombs come after me, and that convict from Pragia come after me. I am not 100% sure about Balak but that would be awesome if he came back. Anything that shows up in ME 3 that the PS3 owners can't access would be a bonus for PC and 360 users. I don't see it not happening. Naturally I'm nervous that my choices could become irrelevant, however I severely doubt that it will come to that. If it does then yes I will be upset but I'll wait until I get the game to pass judgement.

Precisely. I feel the reason that Mass Effect 1 choices will matter is because:

a.) It is the last game of the trilogy, which means they can go all out and do various permutations, and have various callbacks from the first two games that actually matter without having to worry about it transfering over to another game. They have said this, and that there are many, many permutations. Over 1,000, as of June.

b.) The reason the comic is being included is because Microsoft will not let go of Mass Effect 1's rights, no matter what BioWare wants. PS3 users will possibly never be able to experience the choices of Mass Effect 1, so the next best thing is to give them some overview of the game and some of the choices it had to offer.

Does this mean that the other choices from the game will not matter? Absolutely not! There are many other choices that are alluded to be in Mass Effect 3, such as Kirrahe 'fighting with you again' if you saved him, and of course, Conrad, and many others. I even saw a few emails in Mass Effect 2 that alluded to that conclusion also. I feel including the comic shows that there is more of a chance of returning to other choices in Mass Effect 3, because we know that Mass Effect was important enough that BioWare needed to give some of the clearly important choices to PS3 users. It is unfeasible to say that they will get every choice or the entire experience in a comic, but it is the next best thing.

[Sith Reaper]

Pacifien wrote...

PHub88 wrote...
I dont get how anyone can NOT be concerned that ME1 is no longer relevant.

I understand the concerns, but don't share the sense of imminent doom that others have. Though I'm on record as having stated that I give BioWare the benefit of the doubt.

Mass Effect 1 will always be relevant to me. I have played it. I can't unplay it. I play the following games knowing what I do about what happened in the first game. EA can't undermine that.

Now, my experience is going to be different from someone who didn't play Mass Effect 1, but how they choose to enjoy the story is of no bearing to me. And standing up for Mass Effect 1's continued relevance to the following stories will inevitably bring up comparisons to Mass Effect 2, and since I enjoyed both games, I find it difficult to discuss this with people who only liked the first one.

That's precisely how I look at this. I love both of the games in the Mass Effect franchise, and I tend to believe it when BioWare says they will go over something in future installments.

EDIT: Sorry for the double post! My keyboard doesn't seem to be letting me copy and paste this response into the previous post.

Modifié par Sith Reaper, 25 décembre 2010 - 04:09 .

[PHub88]

Sith Reaper wrote...

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

PHub88 wrote...

I dont get how anyone can NOT be concerned that ME1 is no longer relevant.

The PS3 players cant get it...I doubt the comic will have these so called "1000" things to carry over like they said ME1 did to ME2...I was already bummed when most choices resulted in NOTHING but an email in ME2...Was this a "getting ready" sort of thing? It was kind of funny how what we did in ME1 nearly had NO consequences in ME2, I bet they did it on purpose because they planned to put ME3 on the PS3. Therefore automatically hindering ME2 for 360 PC fans, ME3 will be what ME2 should of been when it comes to choices mattering. Even with the comic coming out, there is things that a 360 player would want to see that a PS3 player would not understand at all...So EA being EA I dont see them adding in extra stuff for the 360 PC just to be fair to them actually having imports that include ME1...I see them cutting it out by having some ridiculous idea that its the fair thing to do because PS3 cant have it...when its the people who got into the series on this import save crap who are getting jipped by it. I just cant logically accept they would somehow make it work.

I think this type of reasoning is an over reaction. This is basically saying you don't see how it can matter anymore therefore it won't. I believe that since ME 3 doesn't have to prepare variables for any upcoming game then most of our past choices will pop up in some form or another. I kind of expect to see Toombs come after me, and that convict from Pragia come after me. I am not 100% sure about Balak but that would be awesome if he came back. Anything that shows up in ME 3 that the PS3 owners can't access would be a bonus for PC and 360 users. I don't see it not happening. Naturally I'm nervous that my choices could become irrelevant, however I severely doubt that it will come to that. If it does then yes I will be upset but I'll wait until I get the game to pass judgement.

Precisely. I feel the reason that Mass Effect 1 choices will matter is because:

a.) It is the last game of the trilogy, which means they can go all out and do various permutations, and have various callbacks from the first two games that actually matter without having to worry about it transfering over to another game. They have said this, and that there are many, many permutations. Over 1,000, as of June.

b.) The reason the comic is being included is because Microsoft will not let go of Mass Effect 1's rights, no matter what BioWare wants. PS3 users will possibly never be able to experience the choices of Mass Effect 1, so the next best thing is to give them some overview of the game and some of the choices it had to offer.

Does this mean that the other choices from the game will not matter? Absolutely not! There are many other choices that are alluded to be in Mass Effect 3, such as Kirrahe 'fighting with you again' if you saved him, and of course, Conrad, and many others. I even saw a few emails in Mass Effect 2 that alluded to that conclusion also. I feel including the comic shows that there is more of a chance of returning to other choices in Mass Effect 3, because we know that Mass Effect was important enough that BioWare needed to give some of the clearly important choices to PS3 users. It is unfeasible to say that they will get every choice or the entire experience in a comic, but it is the next best thing.

Good theory, I like that stance...Heres to hoping thats how it goes..

[marshalleck]

It would be nice if you're right, but I'm expecting the worst. That way if I'm wrong, the surprise will be a pleasant one. And if I'm right, then Bioware met my expectations.

[Chris Priestly]

Ok, too much pointless arguing here. So this gets closed.