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[Winterfly]

I was thinking about it.

Cerberus puts the "genetical" perfect woman on the team with the "best" the human alliance got. I just find it a possible plan where they toss these two together. Hoping to "breed" the future or mix their DNA to get forward some kind of superior human with Shepards traits and Mirandas manufactured traits. 

For example, the romance in ME2 or one in ME3 leading to a child? Or as said, mixing their traits to a new manufactured human. 

I now asume Shepard is male and soldier (no offense meant to non soldiers and females) 

Nothing big at all really compared to some other "what if threads". But if you look upon the current crew, Miranda is a fitting choice as official partner for Shepard. I some how find them to be alike and Shepard himself been "manufactured" back to life. 

Scuse to all the haters out there.  

[DarkSeraphym]

Winterfly wrote...

I was thinking about it.

Cerberus puts the "genetical" perfect woman on the team with the "best" the human alliance got. I just find it a possible plan where they toss these two together. Hoping to "breed" the future or mix their DNA to get forward some kind of superior human with Shepards traits and Mirandas manufactured traits. 

For example, the romance in ME2 or one in ME3 leading to a child? Or as said, mixing their traits to a new manufactured human. 

I now asume Shepard is male and soldier (no offense meant to non soldiers and females) 

Nothing big at all really compared to some other "what if threads". But if you look upon the current crew, Miranda is a fitting choice as official partner for Shepard. I some how find them to be alike and Shepard himself been "manufactured" back to life. 

Scuse to all the haters out there.  

I like the Miranda/Shepard romance, but it wouldn't do them a whole lot of good as Miranda is actually sterile.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 26 décembre 2010 - 10:44 .

[Winterfly]

Sure about that?



Then the cloning works fine. Mixing the DNA of those. Cause Cerberus do aim to make humans prosper atleast officially. Im just tossing ideas about here, nothing serious. Just seemed to me like a pretty onvious thinking from The illusive man to shuffle those two together.

[DarkSeraphym]

Winterfly wrote...

Sure about that?

Then the cloning works fine. Mixing the DNA of those. Cause Cerberus do aim to make humans prosper atleast officially. Im just tossing ideas about here, nothing serious. Just seemed to me like a pretty onvious thinking from The illusive man to shuffle those two together.

Yes. If you play Lair of the Shadow Broker, it reveals the fact that Miranda has been on multiple dating sites in search of a potential male partner to have children with. The last email comes from a doctor, which explains that because of her genetic engineering from a single parent she lacks any ability pass her genes onto another subject, or at least normally anyways. I suppose finding a way to artificially mix her DNA is possible, but I believe from my understanding of biology that you would require sex cells from both parents, which I believe is her problem in the first place as her DNA is based entirely off of her fathers, which would mean she got both of her X chromosomes from the exact same parent, minus a sex change. I'm not so certain her body even produces the sex cells necessary for her to reproduce after reading that email.

Given the fact that Cerberus has the technology to bring Shepard back, I'm sure BioWare could invent a way for the two of them to reproduce if they choose to do so. Regardless, it's impossible for her to have children unless they invent a way to do it at this time.

Edit: Here are the dossiers if you wish to read them: http://masseffect.wi.../Miranda_Lawson

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 26 décembre 2010 - 10:58 .

[Mariah5]

TIM might not have known that when he brought them together though. It's possible that this was his intention.

[DarkSeraphym]

Mariah5 wrote...

TIM might not have known that when he brought them together though. It's possible that this was his intention.

It is a possibility that this is the case. Likewise if it were his intention to do so, I would imagine he could probably find a way to do it regardless. Cerberus did have the technology to bring Shepard back, which was thought to be impossible. It's entirely possible BioWare will invent a way for him to still do that. Regardless, unless they do invent a way to bypass it I'm just pointing out that according to the lore as of Shadow Broker, she has no capacity to get pregnant at this time.

[Elyvern]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Winterfly wrote...

I was thinking about it.

Cerberus puts the "genetical" perfect woman on the team with the "best" the human alliance got. I just find it a possible plan where they toss these two together. Hoping to "breed" the future or mix their DNA to get forward some kind of superior human with Shepards traits and Mirandas manufactured traits. 

For example, the romance in ME2 or one in ME3 leading to a child? Or as said, mixing their traits to a new manufactured human. 

I now asume Shepard is male and soldier (no offense meant to non soldiers and females) 

Nothing big at all really compared to some other "what if threads". But if you look upon the current crew, Miranda is a fitting choice as official partner for Shepard. I some how find them to be alike and Shepard himself been "manufactured" back to life. 

Scuse to all the haters out there.  

I like the Miranda/Shepard romance, but it wouldn't do them a whole lot of good as Miranda is actually sterile.

Actually, as quoted from the Shadow Broker dossier:

“…we can confirm that the progressive damage renders you unable to conceive a child.”

It can be read that she isn't infertile yet, but will progressively become so. I will facepalm sooooo hard if there is a miraculous pregnancy in ME3 though...

Modifié par Elyvern, 26 décembre 2010 - 11:09 .

[DarkSeraphym]

Elyvern wrote...

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Winterfly wrote...

I was thinking about it.

Cerberus puts the "genetical" perfect woman on the team with the "best" the human alliance got. I just find it a possible plan where they toss these two together. Hoping to "breed" the future or mix their DNA to get forward some kind of superior human with Shepards traits and Mirandas manufactured traits. 

For example, the romance in ME2 or one in ME3 leading to a child? Or as said, mixing their traits to a new manufactured human. 

I now asume Shepard is male and soldier (no offense meant to non soldiers and females) 

Nothing big at all really compared to some other "what if threads". But if you look upon the current crew, Miranda is a fitting choice as official partner for Shepard. I some how find them to be alike and Shepard himself been "manufactured" back to life. 

Scuse to all the haters out there.  

I like the Miranda/Shepard romance, but it wouldn't do them a whole lot of good as Miranda is actually sterile.

Actually, as quoted from the Shadow Broker dossier:

“…we can confirm that the progressive damage renders you unable to conceive a child.”

It can be read that she isn't infertile yet, but will progressively become so. I will facepalm sooooo hard if there is a miraculous pregnancy in ME3 though...

Well, the entire quote hints to me that she is already infertile: 

"While we cannot firmly attribute the cause of the benign neoplasm to the
irregularity in your genetic makeup, we can confirm that the
progressive damage renders you unable to conceive a child."

This moreso tells me that what they were trying to say is that they can't really attribute the cause of her infertility to the irregularity of her genetic makeup and, instead, believe that progressive damage of something is the cause. If they were going to imply the future tense instead of present tense, the would have used the word "will", "shall", or "going to". Since they did not, I took it as present tense instead of future tense.

Likewise if she was only going to become infertile in the future, why not say "get pregnant now!" instead of "There are many support groups if you wish to discuss your condition and
several options available should you wish to consider the adoption of a
child."

Taking the whole document into context, I think the document is attempting to say that she is already infertile at this time. Otherwise, they would have used future tense if they were trying to imply she would become infertile in the future and I wouldn't see why they'd tell her to think about adoption if it were possible for her to get pregnant sooner rather than later.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 26 décembre 2010 - 11:21 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

With the technology available in he ME, there is no need for Shepard and Miranda to have children the old fashioned way. Cerberus has Shepards DNA from his time on the operating tables and getting Mirandas genetic information shouldn't be too difficult either. Now all Cerberus has to do, is mixing that stuff together and implant it into volunteering women.
It's the much safer way for Cerberus.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 26 décembre 2010 - 11:34 .

[Winterfly]

Indeed Errol.



Also, if she have no uhh "sex cells". I presume she would not feel the urge to have sexual interaction? Now I am not a biology student or something so I have no idea.

[aeetos21]

A fun idea but I doubt it - maybe TIM fantasized about it - but I don't think it was an actual plan.

Number one it'd have a much better chance of succeeding if Miranda was on board with it from the beginning and not the cold hard **** she portrayed at Shepard. Even when the two did hook up she was clearly trying to rationalize her way out of it before Shepard finally forces her to face the feelings they have for each other.

Two if it was his goal to create a sort of super human he could just as easily clone a person from their two DNAs, birth that person, influence when they're young - really turn up the pro human propaganda, and breed them up to be the perfect human specimen. If Shepard and Miranda were involved with the conception and pregnancy I doubt TIM would get even half that.

So maybe he fantasized about it but I doubt he wouldn't be holding his breath or anything. Given Shepard's hate for Cerberus and the high probability that he would be far less than who he used to be even if they managed to successfully bring him back to life... it just isn't a viable plan.

I do however think that Miranda is Shepard's best partner. There are several reasons but in a nutshell she's on the same level he is: willing to do whatever it takes to save human lives, even if that means killing yourself in the process.

Modifié par aeetos21, 26 décembre 2010 - 11:36 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

Winterfly wrote...

Indeed Errol.

Also, if she have no uhh "sex cells". I presume she would not feel the urge to have sexual interaction? Now I am not a biology student or something so I have no idea.

The hormones responsible for that are produced in the ovaries (mainly) and kidneys, so that shouldn't be a problem.

[Winterfly]

True true. But that damn illusive man got a side plan or something else on his mind for everything it seems.

I would say his the smartest or atleast the most ploting human in the galaxy. Maybe we see a Shepard clone in ME3? =P

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Winterfly wrote...

Indeed Errol.

Also, if she have no uhh "sex cells". I presume she would not feel the urge to have sexual interaction? Now I am not a biology student or something so I have no idea.

The hormones responsible for that are produced in the ovaries (mainly) and kidneys, so that shouldn't be a problem.

Okay thanks Errol. That answers the questions!  

Modifié par Winterfly, 26 décembre 2010 - 11:42 .

[DarkSeraphym]

Winterfly wrote...

Indeed Errol.

Also, if she have no uhh "sex cells". I presume she would not feel the urge to have sexual interaction? Now I am not a biology student or something so I have no idea.

Human beings are an interesting species, like dolphins and other primates, in that part of sexual interaction is the desire not only to procreate but the process involved with procreation in the first place (it's an interesting science if you ever become interested). Plenty of people who are incapable of having children still have sexual interaction with their partners all of the time because they enjoy it and the feeling of the intimacy.

Besides, I can't gurantee you that she has no sex cells. I was under the impression that the problem was stemming from the fact that she has two X chromosomes that both came from the same father, which would cause problems because men have only an X-Y chromosome and that means she more or less got two identical X chromosomes and one of them had to be messed with just to make certain that she would come out female. I'm no biology student either, but I had to take several courses on the subject under my chemistry program. I'd have to take it as I am wrong anyways given the fact that the document says that something else appears to have caused her progressive infertility instead of her genetic make-up.

As I mentioned, the technology in Mass Effect is beyond our conventional technology of today so I do believe it is entirely possible for her to have a child using some form of technology. What makes me think otherwise is that the doctors only listed adoption as a possibility in her dossier from the LOTSB  DLC, which makes me think her only other out would have to come from Cerberus.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 26 décembre 2010 - 11:54 .

[Winterfly]

Hmm interesting.



Had I been a crazed ME scientist, I would try to clone an army of soldiers, lacking the sex drift and similar feeling to make them more perfect. You need to think strait

[DarkSeraphym]

Winterfly wrote...

Hmm interesting.

Had I been a crazed ME scientist, I would try to clone an army of soldiers, lacking the sex drift and similar feeling to make them more perfect. You need to think strait

They already have most of that covered. If you've played Operation Overlord, Cerberus got the idea to just ignore the idea of a clone army and go straight for the throat of the Geth in an attempt to gain control of them and use a cybernetic army of obedient soldiers to further the military capabilities of humanity. From what I gathered from the LOTSB dossiers on Legion, who I sold in that playthrough, they've already made far more progress with the project than I originally thought (it would appear they are using Legion to take control of the Geth).

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 26 décembre 2010 - 11:57 .

[Encarmine]

Whatever Miranda does, she needs to remember TIM knows where her sister is, had her father on speed dial (used to be a big donor to cerberus) and could pull the plug on everything she holds dear in a nanosecond.



Which makes me belive Miranda knows WAY more than shes letting on. Shes hot, and a cool squadmate (love the +damage bonus). hope to see her in ME3, i really want to see how the Cerberus story goes foward in general

[DarkSeraphym]

Encarmine wrote...

Whatever Miranda does, she needs to remember TIM knows where her sister is, had her father on speed dial (used to be a big donor to cerberus) and could pull the plug on everything she holds dear in a nanosecond.

Which makes me belive Miranda knows WAY more than shes letting on. Shes hot, and a cool squadmate (love the +damage bonus). hope to see her in ME3, i really want to see how the Cerberus story goes foward in general

BioWare may or may not attempt to downplay this depending on how you played the game. She abandons Cerberus if you made her loyal and decide to blow up the Collector Base. At the very least, I think this is an indicator that Miranda WILL have a role in Mass Effect 3 and that those who have destroyed the Collector Base have made an enemy of Cerberus. Otherwise, I see no reason why they would have made sure that she abandoned Cerberus if she were loyal and more or less cut yourself off from Cerberus aid.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

ME has technology that can bring a person back to life when all that is left of the person is a few bones and some meat hanging on by a single tendon and make him/her exactly the way he was before... I think a little problem like difficulty getting pregnant won't be a problem.

[thompsmt]

Actually, it would not be that hard for Miri and Shep to have a kid.



In-vitro fertilization is a remarkably common technology already, and if a surrogate could be found, there would be no issues to the child. All of this exisits today.



You might need to induce Meiosis (production of sex cells) culturally, but considering the biotechnological horsepower that's available in ME, it shouldn't be too hard.

[Winterfly]

Sadly I havent played Overlord or any other DLC not with the collectors edition. I lack a valid way of buying these things online. What bonus damage on Miri?



Non the less, I find it plausible. Of course it would be pretty damn stupid to get pregnant under ME2-ME3 time. The reapers would probably be interested in messing around with Shepard to, Harbringer seems to be crazy about Shepard atleast! I presume only ME3 will tell what happens.



It could be a interesting option atleast

[jasonsantanna]

I thought about this top pick before but not only with miranda, BW has stated that ME3 will be the end of Sheps story ,but beyond that maybe depending on who you romance you may have a child with ,Miranda n Sheps kid a bad as Sentinal, or with Liara a super biotic or with Tali a super enginer

or Ashely a super solider . . .etc. I think you get the pitcure, and maybe Shep doesn't win and that child ala ( Terminator style John Conner) of his becomes the savior of mankind and the galaxy, in an all new chapter and new ME game... maybe ?

[enayasoul]

jasonsantanna wrote...

I thought about this top pick before but not only with miranda, BW has stated that ME3 will be the end of Sheps story ,but beyond that maybe depending on who you romance you may have a child with ,Miranda n Sheps kid a bad as Sentinal, or with Liara a super biotic or with Tali a super enginer
or Ashely a super solider . . .etc. I think you get the pitcure, and maybe Shep doesn't win and that child ala ( Terminator style John Conner) of his becomes the savior of mankind and the galaxy, in an all new chapter and new ME game... maybe ?

hahaha... "I'll be back."  in one form or another.   baby shepard to the rescue!  

Anything is possible... 

If Miranda did get pregnant...  the stakes would be so much HIGHER. Just a thought.  I hope Miranda and Shepard are very happy!

[Spartas Husky]

I trully hope ME3 is not the end of sheperds arc... still so much for his story... so much!!!

[Spartas Husky]

damn wont let me edit..... I am a little ....confused as to that last entry into her.... dating service....Personal Correspondence 4

coz of it.... I kind a lost a bit of respect. If she is that concerned about it... labs will do the trick... if they wont I doubt... dating services will lol

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 27 décembre 2010 - 10:38 .