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[Flamin Jesus]

Isn't the name Morrigan also a version of Morganna/Morgaine? That's what struck me first about her.

Edit: Which also supports, yep, we're going to get into trouble with Mordred, I mean our son, I mean child... Thing.

Modifié par Flamin Jesus, 13 novembre 2009 - 07:51 .

[Fudzie]

And I totally forgot to get Excalibur.

[Ezohiguma]

I'm keeping it simple and say Andraste was a loon, like her RL counterparts.

The Chantry is selling Andraste as some sort of messiah, while she was more likely some sort of power hungry wannabe dictator who butchered her opponents left and right until she found herself on the ****ty end of the stick. Andraste lived long before the events in DA, and over time certain aspects are "forgotten" (or better said censored by the leaders of the cult, evidence destroyed, etc), while others get hyped. Look at the history of mankind, it's full of such examples. Jeanne d'Arc and Mohammed are two very good examples. Jeanne, the virgin, who thought she was chosen by god and who ended up bringing more death and bloodshed (yet that bloodthirsty fanatic was turned into a saint, says a lot about the catholic church, doesn't it?) Mohammed, the "capable militay leader", who had his opposition murdered and who butchered masses of civilians in the name of his god. The amount of crimes committed in the name of some god is just amazing, yet people learn NAFT from it. Instead they have the urge to be the "chosen people", to have the "one true messiah" or even the "one true god". Damn primitve primates.

History is full of this. We can even observe it right now in several places. Hope and Change! Lisbon Treaty! They even have a new religion these days (some British guy was sacked because he was taking his concern about "global warming" too far and started slacking on his job while trying to convince everyone at work that it's true, he sued his company stating that they're infringing on his "religion" and actually won the lawsuit.)  Who knows, in 2,000 years Al Gore will be real world's Andraste. Anything's possible.

The world's a mental asylum and the most crazy patients are in charge.

Modifié par Ezohiguma, 13 novembre 2009 - 08:08 .

[Xyan]

Al Gore rox!! Lolz

[internaty inmortelaty]

i found it a good story regardless of real life connections.

Modifié par internaty inmortelaty, 13 novembre 2009 - 08:49 .

[Niveneh]

Morrigan is the name of an irish goddess... and a shapeshifter. The name may or may not have been used as the basis for Morgana, but in myth, there is little connection. What Bioware has done is, of course, not constrained by myth - or, as the case with Andraste, by religious accuracy.



As for Andraste, I have to agree that the closest similarity has to be Jeanne'd Arc. This is interesting because Orlais does seem based on either France - judging from the accent - or Italy. There is also the same distrust between Feralden and Orlais as between England and France in earlier centuries, another case of the designers using 'pre-existing' reference frameworks to support the storytelling.



However, the teachings, when you get down to it, are quite a bit far from christianity - or islam for that matter - so there is just a similarity in appearance but not substance.

[elys]

I'm french, playing the english version and clearly all the names such as Val Royeaux, chevalier,... are french words and pronounced in the game clearly with a perfect french accent.
When I was listening for the first time Leliana dialogs, I wondered if the Voice actor was not even a native french speaker.
If not she's good at voice acting french accents 

As for the Chantry, Templars and so on, makes me think a lot about Christian religion. But that's just it. It may be inspired from it or not and I don't care as long as it fits the story.

Modifié par elys, 13 novembre 2009 - 10:04 .

[Solo80]

elys wrote...

I'm french, playing the english version and clearly all the names such as Val Royeaux, chevalier,... are french words and pronounced in the game clearly with a perfect french accent.
When I was listening for the first time Leliana dialogs, I wondered if the Voice actor was not even a native french speaker.
If not she's good at voice acting french accents 

As for the Chantry, Templars and so on, makes me think a lot about Christian religion. But that's just it. It may be inspired from it or not and I don't care as long as it fits the story.

Yes, the nation of Orlais is definitely DA:O's version of France, while Ferelden seems to be based a lot on medieval England. And yes, the voice actor for Leliana is Parisian, I believe 

[Ariella]

Fudzie wrote...

I admit I know next to nothing about Britannic folklore, would you care to talk specifically about the "Spirit of Britannia"? I am assuming that's a mythic figure.

And yes, yes I am far too lazy to use google or wikipedia. It's often more rewarding to hear someone else share their knowledge directly than look information up in a database.

Historically, Andraste (invincible one) was the goddess Bodiccia invoked and made sacrifices to as she began her campaign to drive the Romans (Teviner Imperium anyone?) out of Britian. Unlike DA's Andraste, Bodicca wasn't as successful. 

[ricecows]

Good parallels or lack of imagination. Take your pick.



Grey Wardens are Jedis. A lot of the story with dwarven lands flooded with darkspawn reminds me of LOTR. The human religion is pretty much christianity. Joan d'Arch inspired Leliana etc.OP mentioned a few obvious ones as well.

It all works very good though, and I love the lore. It works, since we can relate to it. But it all seems like a lot of copy pasta.

[The Angry One]

You do realise that the earliest accounts of Jesus speak of a far more militant charactere who openly rebelled against the Roman Empire?

The non-violent Jesus who revelled in poverty was a trait adopted when it was... convenient.

The Byzantine Jesus was an Emperor, after all. Adorned in royal purple, ruling over God's kingdom.



That said Andraste is a more likely allegory of Jeanne D'Arc, only on a more epic scale.

[Taleroth]

The Angry One wrote...

That said Andraste is a more likely allegory of Jeanne D'Arc, only on a more epic scale.

I don't recall Indiana Jones solving puzzles and confronting a guardian to get to her holy relic with magical healing properties.

Modifié par Taleroth, 17 novembre 2009 - 12:18 .

[JamesX]

She is more Joan of Arc than Jesus.

Modifié par JamesX, 17 novembre 2009 - 12:20 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ezohiguma wrote...
The amount of crimes committed in the name of some god is just amazing, yet people learn NAFT from it.

History has also shown that the crimes committed in the name of Atheism or anti-religious beliefs have been much more atrocious (French Revolution, USSR, China). It's always easy to blame religion for our problems.
And the examples you provide are either innacurate, or over-simplified.

As for Jesus being a "peace-maker". It says that when Jesus comes back, he will rule the Kingdom with "an Iron rod" and will undertake a vast campaign that will annihilate the heathens. And in his life, most of his allies were Zealots (Jewish Militants opposed to Rome). Of course he is given the image of a peace maker because he was very insignifricant to Rome, they saw him only as a common agitator.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 novembre 2009 - 12:28 .

[Ardeco]

Taleroth wrote...
I don't recall Indiana Jones solving puzzles and confronting a guardian to get to her holy relic with magical healing properties.

Ha, nice parallel.

...He chose poorly.

[Forumtroll]

I wonder if anyone can actually name one fantasy religion not based on an actual religion. There's always at least two aspects of a fantasy religion that mirrors actual religions: the Chosen One and the final battle between good and evil. Or Law and Chaos if you adhere to D&D ruleset older than 2.5.

[The Angry One]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ezohiguma wrote...
The amount of crimes committed in the name of some god is just amazing, yet people learn NAFT from it.

History has also shown that the crimes committed in the name of Atheism or anti-religious beliefs have been much more atrocious (French Revolution, USSR, China). It's always easy to blame religion for our problems.
And the examples you provide are either innacurate, or over-simplified.

I would point out that none of those atrocities were commited in the name of atheism, by definition you cannot make a cause of out the lack of believe in something.
While the USSR was an atheist state (for a time), Stalin didn't have millions starve to death for the sake of atheism, it was his policy of shoving the agrarian farmers of the countryside to work in the mills and factories of the cities that caused that. If it was in the name of anything it was industrialisation, and even then not for it's own sake.

[ComTrav]

There are parallels to Mohammed as well:



-Referred to as Prophet/Prophetess

-Founded a state, or at the very least, a new political order

-Preached monotheism



But I agree that the Joan of Arc similarities seem strongest.

[The Angry One]

Too bad Andraste didn't invent a month of fasting to save money on salt trading eh?

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Angry One wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ezohiguma wrote...
The amount of crimes committed in the name of some god is just amazing, yet people learn NAFT from it.

History has also shown that the crimes committed in the name of Atheism or anti-religious beliefs have been much more atrocious (French Revolution, USSR, China). It's always easy to blame religion for our problems.
And the examples you provide are either innacurate, or over-simplified.

I would point out that none of those atrocities were commited in the name of atheism, by definition you cannot make a cause of out the lack of believe in something.
While the USSR was an atheist state (for a time), Stalin didn't have millions starve to death for the sake of atheism, it was his policy of shoving the agrarian farmers of the countryside to work in the mills and factories of the cities that caused that. If it was in the name of anything it was industrialisation, and even then not for it's own sake.

Atheism does become a cause in the case of communism.  It is the principal characteristic of the "New Soviet" man. The perfect communist society is Atheist. Atheism in that sense is an ideology, not a belif in God, but a belief in a supposed utopia. This ideology was the prime motivation for both China and the USSR. And both Stalin and Mao wanted to create this "new man". We cannot take Stalin's policies out of context. Its context is the ideal soviet man.

But to make my point clearer. Atheism as an idelogy that seeks to change mankind has been more atrocious than religions that manage societies. I am not talking about private individual atheism.

[The Angry One]

That kind of atheism however is forever coupled with communism as part of a different ideal.

The fact remains that nobody has ever been killed or persecuted because somebody wanted to force them to *not* believe in any deity. As in, atheism for it's own sake.

Stalin used atheism in that sense, as Hitler used christianity, molding them into their own ideals.



The difference is however that christian states have been responsible for their own crimes, over the years. As have muslim states, and despite what the biased twits in hollywood would have you believe, the buddhist state of Tibet commited some extreme atrocities in it's time under the despotic rule of the Dalai Lamas.



Whether or not a true atheist state would commit similar crimes is debatable however, as there has never been one.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Angry One wrote...

That kind of atheism however is forever coupled with communism as part of a different ideal.
The fact remains that nobody has ever been killed or persecuted because somebody wanted to force them to *not* believe in any deity. As in, atheism for it's own sake.
Stalin used atheism in that sense, as Hitler used christianity, molding them into their own ideals.

The difference is however that christian states have been responsible for their own crimes, over the years. As have muslim states, and despite what the biased twits in hollywood would have you believe, the buddhist state of Tibet commited some extreme atrocities in it's time under the despotic rule of the Dalai Lamas.

Whether or not a true atheist state would commit similar crimes is debatable however, as there has never been one.

The French Revolutionaries killed for that end. Although it can be argued they killed Christian priest specifically because they are Christian and not necessarily because they are theist.

One can argue that religions have been used the same way atheism has been sued. As well as any philosophy can and has been used.
The truth ofr the matter is that States, civilisations and state building are founded on crimes. All the great Empires that we adore today have criminal origin. So let's not try to blame crimes on any ideology. Crimes = inevitability of humanity as political animals.

[Revya]

Andraste WAS A MAGE XD