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[flem1]

Jesus + Joan + Abe Lincoln

[Shady314]

Sure. Hessarian is Longinus. Sword of Mercy is Spear of Destiny.

[KalosCast]

Andraste is more accurately Jesus and Mohammed/Joan of Arc combined, but the Chantry is clearly a "no religions were harmed in the making of Dragon Age" version of the Catholic Church.

Modifié par KalosCast, 21 novembre 2009 - 04:04 .

[Original182]

I saw Andraste as Jesus. Strongest reference so far after finishing the game is when the Maker once again turned away from mankind (probably for burning Andraste on the stake), Andraste is still interceding on our behalf by the Maker's side.



Joan of Arc never came to my mind until I read this thread.

[KalosCast]

Original182 wrote...

I saw Andraste as Jesus. Strongest reference so far after finishing the game is when the Maker once again turned away from mankind (probably for burning Andraste on the stake), Andraste is still interceding on our behalf by the Maker's side.

Joan of Arc never came to my mind until I read this thread.

It's mostly the army thing, and the fact that she was touched by The Maker instead of being of The Maker. However, Leliana, the french girl who thinks she was told by the maker to help the main character rally the armies to defeat the invading darkspawn is much more Joan of Arc-y

[Original182]

KalosCast wrote...

Andraste is more accurately Jesus and Mohammed/Joan of Arc combined, but the Chantry is clearly a "no religions were harmed in the making of Dragon Age" version of the Catholic Church.

I thought the made up Chantry that references real-life religion was a "safe" way to talk freely about religion, seeing as it won't offend either religious people who may view anything extra as blasphemy, or free thinkers who may just view the Chantry as a totally new in-game religion, without directly referencing to real-life religion.

It is also open to interpretation, seeing as many people reference Andraste as Jesus, Mohammad, Joan of Arc, etc.

[Original182]

Revya wrote...

Andraste WAS A MAGE XD

Blasphemy! *confiscates the book Revya reads and proceeds to burn it*

[bucfanpaka]

Hope this thread isn't too old to post in... anyways, just started playing and the historical figure I see lots of parallels already with for Andraste is Boudicca, queen of the Iceni who led the revolt against Rome in around the year 61. Andraste is actually the name of the Celtic goddess Boudicca would invoke before battle. I have to think the developers drew inspiration from her-- actually, it is interesting to see the similarities in this one representation of Boudicca and this screenshot-

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[Ariella]

Original182 wrote...

I saw Andraste as Jesus. Strongest reference so far after finishing the game is when the Maker once again turned away from mankind (probably for burning Andraste on the stake), Andraste is still interceding on our behalf by the Maker's side.

Joan of Arc never came to my mind until I read this thread.

I don't see why everyone keeps thinking Andraste is Jesus. Jesus never lead a nation at all... if anything she's a lot closer to Moses than Jesus in that regard as a leader and a teacher.

The only Christian idealogy I've seen is the make up of the Chantry and the whole Maker turning from mankind.

[Creature 1]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Isn't the name Morrigan also a version of Morganna/Morgaine? That's what struck me first about her.

Edit: Which also supports, yep, we're going to get into trouble with Mordred, I mean our son, I mean child... Thing.

Actually the name Morrigan is Gaelic and means "Great Queen".  The Morrigan was actually a goddess who is often described as resembling the Christian Trinity in that she was in a way triune.  The Morrigan is typically said to be made of three goddesses (sometimes said to be sisters), usually Badb, Macha, and Nemain, but others have been included as well.  The Morrigan was a goddess of warfare and strife, but not really evil.  She may have had aspects of goddesses of fertility and the hearth.  Badb is the goddess of the Morrigan that had the closest affiliation with warfare and death, and is sometimes symbolized by a crow, which scavenged battlefields.  Macha was associated with horses and warfare, and Nemain was associated with berserker-like frenzy. 

The Morrigan is a major character in the children's book The Hounds of the Morrigan, which is an excellent book that I'm surprised is not more widely known.  If you know any kids who like stuff like Harry Potter, Alice in Wonderland, The Neverending Story, A Wrinkle in Time, or Tale of Time City, buy The Hounds of the Morrigan for them! 

[ReubenLiew]

Heh.

Where's my Buddy Andraste figurine?

[TheMadCat]

Aside from the circumstances which led to their rather gruesome deaths, Jesus and Andraste really share nothing in common. I can't think of any religious prophets or figures that one can make a direct comparison. Jeanne d'Arc and Moses are two that jump out at the top of my head, another lesser known story rings a bell but I don't remember much of it at the moment.

[Grommash94]

Politically, Mohammad shares quite a bit with Andraste..



The whole connection with the Maker is sorta like Jesus.



Most of it seems similar to Jeanne d'Arc tho.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

To be honest, if you never saw any parallels before today, you are blind as a bat.

This is so blatantly obvious it doesn't even need a topic.

EDIT: And yes, there are several more religious figures that share aspects with her.

Modifié par Spaghetti_Ninja, 28 décembre 2009 - 10:47 .

[darkshadow136]

The parallel is to the Catholic church and The virgin Mary. I'm an x-Catholic so the similarities in Dogma and ritual are quite clear. Where Leiana although a believer seems to be moving more towards the Martin Luther point of view which caused her to leave the chantry.I'm a Christian myself non-denominational so I can appreciate what they were doing in this game with the chantry. It seems to portray the power, and control the Catholic church once had during the middle ages.

[Namirsolo]

Let's see...

Andraste and Joan of Arc were both mortal women
They both had a vision from their god (or said they did)
They both tried to start a crusade
They both were burned at the stake.

Yes, Jesus was publicly killed and had a religion formed because of it, but the Chantry still worships the maker, they just believe that Andraste was a holy martyr.

[TheMadCat]

No doubt the chantry is a direct representation of the Catholic Church during it's peak, it's structure and beliefs are similar, it's overall objective in similar, the power and influence it holds over the lands surpasses even that of the kingdoms it resides in. But people seem to be using that connection to assume that Andraste=Jesus. The reality is they hold little similarities, a matter of fact some of the things Andraste did went against what Jesus was teaching. Aside from being the "prophet" of their respected God and the circumstances of their deaths, they share nothing other then very broad generalizations.



@Darkshadow: Interesting point you brought up about Leliana, obviously she holds a different and more "radical" view of the Maker then most of her constituents. I don't think she ever truly left the Chantry itself though, she still held great respect for it and still praised it and it's teachings.

[Stuffy38]

No. The way she is portrayed she would be closer to maybe Joan of Arc or muhamad /mohammed. Jesus did not start wars or revolutions, and there's only one mention in the bible of him even getting upset. He was also not a prophet, unless you want to follow what these johnny-come lately islamists say.

[Lord Abrasion]

Fudzie wrote...

And I totally forgot to get Excalibur.

You can't expect to become a Grey Warden just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you. I mean, if I went around saying I was a Grey Warden just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away.

[Stuffy38]

Lord Abrasion wrote...

Fudzie wrote...

And I totally forgot to get Excalibur.

You can't expect to become a Grey Warden just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you. I mean, if I went around saying I was a Grey Warden just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away.

Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical aquatic ceremony! 

[Series5Ranger]

k1ck wrote...

What do you guys think of the parallels? I love the references in the game (superman! for one) and the Andraste lore being reflective of myths/tales existing in our own world seems pretty cool to me, especially considering the presence of the Chantry, TEMPLARS, the knights of a castle running off in search of the 'holy grail' (Arthurian lore! come on!), and those stories of how Andraste was betrayed in the codex =p Ahh I love this game hehe

Andraste never got the whole Resurrection option like Jesus did.

[wwwwowwww]

I just don't put that much thought into that, but I guess I can see what everyone is saying

[Killian Kalthorne]

I figured that the Chantry all worshiped Darth Vader. I mean everyone at the Chantry is so C3PO in constantly praising the Maker.

[Bryy_Miller]

insanelobster wrote...

thats one thing i hated about fallout 3...the religious refrence

Why? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH, religion!

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Killian Kalthorne wrote...

I figured that the Chantry all worshiped Darth Vader. I mean everyone at the Chantry is so C3PO in constantly praising the Maker.

ok now that made me laugh