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yes, thats the next point - this conclusion as result of a "judgement on the fly"-
the world of modding games is a world of free, colorful, different, creative, team-working .... add to the list a lot more ... people, sometimes in a team around the world. and if not everything is in the same "taste" - its good to have the possibility to modding games...
Dragon Age = Porn Age?
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#77
Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 04:02
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Sinmara wrote...
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the world of modding games is a world of free, colorful, different, creative, team-working .... add to the list a lot more ... people, sometimes in a team around the world. and if not everything is in the same "taste" - its good to have the possibility to modding games...
^ I support this statement!
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 04:10
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Sinmara wrote...
yes, thats the next point - this conclusion as result of a "judgement on the fly"-
the world of modding games is a world of free, colorful, different, creative, team-working .... add to the list a lot more ... people, sometimes in a team around the world. and if not everything is in the same "taste" - its good to have the possibility to modding games...
100% approval .
everybody has the choice what he wants to play and nobody is forced to a Mod
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 04:15
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I too agree with Sinmara's statement, as to catagorizing the mods, thats fine and well but the last thing this community or any community needs is thought police saying what you can and cannot download. The mod clearly states its blatently sexual in nature, if you dont like that then dont download it then try to trash mouth it. What you dont like someone else may like, and its their right to like it, and sure as hell is not your right to try and control what others think and feel.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 04:31
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Re: Dragon Age Nexus
Its been stated on the site that they have suffered from attacks before as they cannot check every mod over every time a new one is over. In one case a cleverly designed trojan was hidden and when it was downloaded it revealed the personal email addresses of those DA Nexus account users who downloaded it and added them to 3rd party mailing lists - spam mail. Eventually the admins took the mods down but the lesson is don't put anything up on the internet you don't want people to see, it is a public domain and thus always subject for someone seeing what you're doing.
As for avoiding questionable mods I make a point to check over the comments first as well as endorsements. If there are a good many with positive reviews that's generally an okay good to go mod. If its a new mod with not so many downloads yet I then check the modder's account to see their previous work. If there's no previous work usually I pass and wait a few weeks first for some other people to try it first, people with VERY good virus scanners.
Overall though I maybe encountered one mod that was a virus in total on that entire database and it was very easy to see - as previous downloaders had identified it in the mod's comment section.
These same guidelines apply to the Elder Scrools nexus and those mods and really any modding community. Hope this helps =)
Its been stated on the site that they have suffered from attacks before as they cannot check every mod over every time a new one is over. In one case a cleverly designed trojan was hidden and when it was downloaded it revealed the personal email addresses of those DA Nexus account users who downloaded it and added them to 3rd party mailing lists - spam mail. Eventually the admins took the mods down but the lesson is don't put anything up on the internet you don't want people to see, it is a public domain and thus always subject for someone seeing what you're doing.
As for avoiding questionable mods I make a point to check over the comments first as well as endorsements. If there are a good many with positive reviews that's generally an okay good to go mod. If its a new mod with not so many downloads yet I then check the modder's account to see their previous work. If there's no previous work usually I pass and wait a few weeks first for some other people to try it first, people with VERY good virus scanners.
Overall though I maybe encountered one mod that was a virus in total on that entire database and it was very easy to see - as previous downloaders had identified it in the mod's comment section.
These same guidelines apply to the Elder Scrools nexus and those mods and really any modding community. Hope this helps =)
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 04:49
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Phaffner wrote...
I too agree with Sinmara's statement, as to catagorizing the mods, thats fine and well but the last thing this community or any community needs is thought police saying what you can and cannot download. The mod clearly states its blatently sexual in nature, if you dont like that then dont download it then try to trash mouth it. What you dont like someone else may like, and its their right to like it, and sure as hell is not your right to try and control what others think and feel.
Well said.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 05:08
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and sure as hell is not your right to try and control what others think and feel.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 05:09
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Since most of this thread seems to be about Sappho's Daughters I may just make a couple of observations.
60 thousand years out of Africa and the male population still thinks they can tell us what to think, say and do. If not they beat us, stone us and burn us in most parts of the world.
Sappho's Daughters is a mix of a lot of things. For the males that can't quite pick out the irony in it and insist on playing it so they can be indignant, please look between your legs when you are making a decision as to have sex scenes between 2 women, or to take the OPTION IN EVERY SCENE to not watch 2, 3D models emulating sexual acts. As with rest of DA, you do get to choose between, using drugs or not, being prejudice or not, killing or not, helping someone or not, being evil or not.
Yes, Sappho's Daughters should be on an adult site, because adults have the capacity to look over the material and decide if it suites their taste, or not and don't have to get excited as children may do when they see a phallic shaped object, or for goodness sake a vulva, or even more disturbing , someone's head being taken off at the shoulders.
Sappho's Daughters has 6 mods on Bio, each has vastly different technical requirements. Not bad for a house wife who 6 months ago had never done anything more than complex Excel Spread sheets. Don't like my mods, don't play them. I am not at all upset that some of you do not 'get it'.
For all the patrons that have contributed, thank you for your support, ideas and suggestions. I am sure the reason the mods are doing so well is through your support and contributions.
60 thousand years out of Africa and the male population still thinks they can tell us what to think, say and do. If not they beat us, stone us and burn us in most parts of the world.
Sappho's Daughters is a mix of a lot of things. For the males that can't quite pick out the irony in it and insist on playing it so they can be indignant, please look between your legs when you are making a decision as to have sex scenes between 2 women, or to take the OPTION IN EVERY SCENE to not watch 2, 3D models emulating sexual acts. As with rest of DA, you do get to choose between, using drugs or not, being prejudice or not, killing or not, helping someone or not, being evil or not.
Yes, Sappho's Daughters should be on an adult site, because adults have the capacity to look over the material and decide if it suites their taste, or not and don't have to get excited as children may do when they see a phallic shaped object, or for goodness sake a vulva, or even more disturbing , someone's head being taken off at the shoulders.
Sappho's Daughters has 6 mods on Bio, each has vastly different technical requirements. Not bad for a house wife who 6 months ago had never done anything more than complex Excel Spread sheets. Don't like my mods, don't play them. I am not at all upset that some of you do not 'get it'.
For all the patrons that have contributed, thank you for your support, ideas and suggestions. I am sure the reason the mods are doing so well is through your support and contributions.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 05:13
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I think people are missing the point here. I have no problem with the content of the Saphhos mods, nor the freedom for a person to download it or not. The fact that sexual mods seem to be a popular and attractive interest is never going to change.
My personal problem with it is the method they use to increase popularity. As players, people look at the popularity cross to determine if a mod is worthy.
What they do, is they write "Next upgrade at approx 5000." For me that is a cheap way to get people to hit the popularity cross. Any modder that considers himself respectable should leave it to the players choice whether he recommends the mod or not, and not hit the cross so that particular people can see the latest sexual update.
Updates should be made because it is the modders duty to keep their mod as up to date and bug free as possible and not use the excuse of "why should we update if no one is interested?"
If I were to work like that...then based on my popularity cross although my wedding mod is a wonderful addition to the game, I shouldn't really have to fix its bugs or upgrade it. I don't find "buying popularity" to be a valid reason for me to make improvements to my mods.
Edit: Once again I say , players look at popularity to determine a mod's quality. With the case of Sapphos, it doesn't indicate quality, but rather peoples desire to satisfy the modders requirement of hitting the popularity cross. Show me one mod that employs such requirements? No one would because it's a tasteless tactic. That would be the only reason it
is on top of the projects list. But players don't realize that and look at the cross as a sign of a quality mod.
My personal problem with it is the method they use to increase popularity. As players, people look at the popularity cross to determine if a mod is worthy.
What they do, is they write "Next upgrade at approx 5000." For me that is a cheap way to get people to hit the popularity cross. Any modder that considers himself respectable should leave it to the players choice whether he recommends the mod or not, and not hit the cross so that particular people can see the latest sexual update.
Updates should be made because it is the modders duty to keep their mod as up to date and bug free as possible and not use the excuse of "why should we update if no one is interested?"
If I were to work like that...then based on my popularity cross although my wedding mod is a wonderful addition to the game, I shouldn't really have to fix its bugs or upgrade it. I don't find "buying popularity" to be a valid reason for me to make improvements to my mods.
Edit: Once again I say , players look at popularity to determine a mod's quality. With the case of Sapphos, it doesn't indicate quality, but rather peoples desire to satisfy the modders requirement of hitting the popularity cross. Show me one mod that employs such requirements? No one would because it's a tasteless tactic. That would be the only reason it
is on top of the projects list. But players don't realize that and look at the cross as a sign of a quality mod.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 05:16
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Corvus I wrote...
For all the patrons that have contributed, thank you for your support, ideas and suggestions. I am sure the reason the mods are doing so well is through your support and contributions.
Of course. I'm sure it has nothing to do with manipulating the popularity system from the site. ;-)
EDIT: And by the way, I still think your whole team posting here still misses the point. It's not that your mod is likable or not, it's that it should be flagged as adult content, just like other mods are flagged in Nexus.
As said, I don't care what people play or don't, I personally don't like it, and that's my preference, others like it and I've no problem with that. But Bio should implement a category system. And of course, a popularity system that can't be abused so blatantly. :-)
My 2 cents, of course, some may take it as an attack to all that's true and free, but well, I guess people have the right to feel offended for nothing and read whatever they want to read. :-)
EDIT#2: http://social.biowar...m/project/2874/ Much love!
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 05:26
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You can't truly believe you can intimidate or manipulate players into voting for a mod? There is not logic in that. The player has nothing to lose or gain. They get one vote and they are either going to use it or not. It is probably counterproductive to make estimates. The only reason I have one is because I was asked to and I am sure if anything it has cost me popularity points.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 05:30
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I'm not sure, Corvus I. I wonder why you would do such thing as saying "next update when we hit 5000 +" if you didn't think it would work or that it would work against you? :-)
The player evidently has something to gain if you withhold the updates until you get to a popularity mark.
The player evidently has something to gain if you withhold the updates until you get to a popularity mark.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 05:33
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I think, the look at the popularity cross is only one way, next to the download-rate, to get feedback if it is worth to put in mre energy, time and work. and this is not the pint at bugfixes but to add more new content!
And why and in which way should this be a "manipulation"? this word is a little bit to hard for asking for the only way to get feedback in a numerable way.
I like your projects too, DaliahLynn and I hope you will get a lot of good feedback to work in it :-)
And why and in which way should this be a "manipulation"? this word is a little bit to hard for asking for the only way to get feedback in a numerable way.
I like your projects too, DaliahLynn and I hope you will get a lot of good feedback to work in it :-)
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 05:41
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Sinmara wrote...
I think, the look at the popularity cross is only one way, next to the download-rate, to get feedback if it is worth to put in mre energy, time and work. and this is not the pint at bugfixes but to add more new content!
And why and in which way should this be a "manipulation"? this word is a little bit to hard for asking for the only way to get feedback in a numerable way.
I like your projects too, DaliahLynn and I hope you will get a lot of good feedback to work in it :-)
I appreciate that you like my projects, but I will never post something like "next upgrade at 5000" popularity. It feels cheap and unfair. Do you honestly believe that writing this is not manipulating? Some people who have enough sexual lust for this might even create new accounts just to hit the popularity cross...
Reposting my edit: Once again I say , players look at popularity to determine a mod's quality. With the case of Sapphos, it doesn't indicate quality, but rather peoples desire to satisfy the modders requirement of hitting the popularity cross. Show me one mod that employs such requirements? No one would because it's a tasteless tactic. That would be the only reason it is on top of the projects list. But players don't realize that and look at the cross as a sign of a quality mod.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 05:47
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One only need to look at the history of Sappho's Daughters to know that is not true. I was uploading so much materials so fast that my patrons were not even getting a play through before there was another huge increase. Most increases came at a rate of 10 thousand down loads and I was working 10 to 12 hours a day producing as well as trying to get rid of the SFR influence. Grant it I am positioned to be apply well over the 1000 hours I have invested in the mods, but that is my commitment to having a mod that satisfied my patrons and not my personal idea of what the mod should be.
Let's review the top ten and see how many are asking for popularity and see. Or I just wonder how many in say the top 10 have no down load and never have and never will. Players are going to vote for what they want and I don't see a way to improve that.
Let's review the top ten and see how many are asking for popularity and see. Or I just wonder how many in say the top 10 have no down load and never have and never will. Players are going to vote for what they want and I don't see a way to improve that.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 05:54
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Why don't you go by downloads and comments? Rather than requiring people to hit popularity?
I remember long ago when reviewing your mod, that I had seen "next upgrade at 600 popularity" when you had 325 ....I found that very distasteful. All the mods and projects you see listed are those that people found and continue to find good and successful mods. The only reason yours is at the top of the list is because you buy popularity where no one else would dare do so out of self respect.
I remember long ago when reviewing your mod, that I had seen "next upgrade at 600 popularity" when you had 325 ....I found that very distasteful. All the mods and projects you see listed are those that people found and continue to find good and successful mods. The only reason yours is at the top of the list is because you buy popularity where no one else would dare do so out of self respect.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 05:54
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@ DahliaLynn
then lets resume what we both may think:
the current system is not the best to work and to present projects.
categories will be fine, I agree. other ways to show support, assemly levels with points ... a lot of other things... and a way to have a difference between active projects, projects in work, inactive....
the sytem now is not the best way.
but I think not there is such a "mass manipulation" as you see there - how much pressure should this be to make new accounts for this - no not really.
look at the download-rates too.
at the moment there are not as much people playing dao, but we have very week more then 150 downloads for the german subtitle version....
I hope you dont see us as people who want manipulate someone - thats so far from my thinking like anything else...
then lets resume what we both may think:
the current system is not the best to work and to present projects.
categories will be fine, I agree. other ways to show support, assemly levels with points ... a lot of other things... and a way to have a difference between active projects, projects in work, inactive....
the sytem now is not the best way.
but I think not there is such a "mass manipulation" as you see there - how much pressure should this be to make new accounts for this - no not really.
look at the download-rates too.
at the moment there are not as much people playing dao, but we have very week more then 150 downloads for the german subtitle version....
I hope you dont see us as people who want manipulate someone - thats so far from my thinking like anything else...
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 06:01
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I agree, the way the system is set up is quite poor. All I can say is, if you have so many fans, get rid of your "next upgrade at 5000" and do the work based on your download rates. Your popularity cross should be hit naturally and not as a requirement.
I think this is a better approach to attaining popularity, and will be accepted as fair.
There is no other modder who employs such manipulative methods.
Edit: with so much fandom...can you risk taking out your requirement? Or is this the key to your high popularity rate?
I think this is a better approach to attaining popularity, and will be accepted as fair.
There is no other modder who employs such manipulative methods.
Edit: with so much fandom...can you risk taking out your requirement? Or is this the key to your high popularity rate?
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 06:11
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I am reading all of this, and it just confirms my decision to quit releasing my mods to anyone but my friends. Having been an author of both adult and non adult mods, and most by request of one user or another, I decided to make what I wanted, and if friends like what they saw I would send it to them. My adult mods were always the more popular ones, but my best one was Clothed Prisoners which was exactly the opposite. Over half of the mods I made I never used, and just recently removed some of them because I was tired of all the added requests for one thing or another. I never paid attention to the popularity cross on my mods but instead the unique download numbers at Nexus. That number was the true measure of a mods success, not the endorsements or total number of downloads.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 06:11
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Corvus I wrote...
Sappho's Daughters has 6 mods on Bio, each has vastly different technical requirements. Not bad for a house wife who 6 months ago had never done anything more than complex Excel Spread sheets.
Leaving aside the popularity cross which I think is another issue, the above is something to be celebrated and commended, ie this game has gotten women into flexing their writing and modding muscles as no other has before. As for the OP's criticisms of the mods content I think most of us adults here agree it is pretty hypocritical to download something when you know what you are getting and then criticise it when you get just that and go even further and suggest it should be banned. There also seems to be some consensus on the suggestion of a mod classification. I must say that would help me because I would then know where I need to go to get my sex scenes...
Keep talking sisters.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 06:15
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baser human desires.
Nothing more.
Nothing more.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 06:16
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RagingCyclone wrote...
I never paid attention to the popularity cross on my mods but instead the unique download numbers at Nexus. That number was the true measure of a mods success, not the endorsements or total number of downloads.
The problem here is ...from the perspective of the player, they look at the popularity cross. And the way Sapphos goes about attaining it's popularity clicks is an unnatural one. They should be going by downloads...and they can even go by popularity if they so wish, as long as they don't make it a requirement.
Once again, the talents and creativity that modding DA inspires is something to be commended. To women especially, but please..be fair. Get your popularity the way everyone does. Naturally.
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Dahlia, I cannot disagree. And to be honest, I look at negative endorsements as much as downloads. Call it old school, but sometimes those negative ones can give insight as to any problems/conflicts that particular mod may or may not have.
I have advised numerous playes to ignore the popularity of mods because some of he best are not the most popular, and that is something that has been around since the days of modding Doom. It's probably not going to change in the near future. And the practice of "buying" popularity has been around just as long. I do not agree with buying popularity for a mod because I think it cheapens it. I have always released my mods, and if they are popular that is fine, and if they are not that is fine too.
I have advised numerous playes to ignore the popularity of mods because some of he best are not the most popular, and that is something that has been around since the days of modding Doom. It's probably not going to change in the near future. And the practice of "buying" popularity has been around just as long. I do not agree with buying popularity for a mod because I think it cheapens it. I have always released my mods, and if they are popular that is fine, and if they are not that is fine too.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 06:28
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RagingCyclone wrote...
I am reading all of this, and it just confirms my decision to quit releasing my mods to anyone but my friends. Having been an author of both adult and non adult mods, and most by request of one user or another, I decided to make what I wanted, and if friends like what they saw I would send it to them. My adult mods were always the more popular ones, but my best one was Clothed Prisoners which was exactly the opposite. Over half of the mods I made I never used, and just recently removed some of them because I was tired of all the added requests for one thing or another. I never paid attention to the popularity cross on my mods but instead the unique download numbers at Nexus. That number was the true measure of a mods success, not the endorsements or total number of downloads.
Ah, it's you that made the Clothed Prisoners mod, that one I love (especially the King Cailan one, that was rather...distracting). As for what others in here say, I'm all for the ontroduction of categories in some way for the modding scene here, that should help lots of people in finding what they are looking for.
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Posté 28 décembre 2010 - 06:28
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and one thing is interesting here:
we get this thread away from the - in my opinion bad start and things like "banning"- to a discussion about things to think about and worth to discuss. Especially in the last posts here.
I think the most bad thing is to have missunderstandings, hostility, competition based thinking ... like - sorry to the men who are better in their mind today, I know a lot, also in the projects - the patriarchalic way. we could do this better, I hope.
"keep talking sisters" is one of the best sentences here in the thread.
we get this thread away from the - in my opinion bad start and things like "banning"- to a discussion about things to think about and worth to discuss. Especially in the last posts here.
I think the most bad thing is to have missunderstandings, hostility, competition based thinking ... like - sorry to the men who are better in their mind today, I know a lot, also in the projects - the patriarchalic way. we could do this better, I hope.
"keep talking sisters" is one of the best sentences here in the thread.
