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[MajesticJazz]

The general concensus is that Tali/Garrus fans were the most vocal after ME1 in terms of having those characters return as squadmates in ME2, thus, Bioware brought them back as squadmates with Ashley/Kaiden, Liara, and Wrex all having remote roles in ME2.

With that being said and having played ME2 and ME3 just around the corner, are there any Tali/Garrus fans that actually wish that Bioware would have withheld Tali/Garrus until ME3 like the rest of the ME1 crew?

I do not want to start a flame war, but honestly, because Wrex, Liara, Kaiden/Ashley weren't squad members in ME2, I think they will play very vital/emotional roles in ME3. It is as if Bioware is saving them for ME3 specifically for that. Assuming that Ashley/Kaiden, Liara (Doubtful as she is now the SB), and Wrex are squadmates in ME3, it would make their return more epic.

I do not know if I am making any sense but what I'm trying to say is that by the time ME3 comes out and if Wrex, Ashley/Kaiden, Liara are squadmates, it would be more meaningful because we haven't faught with them since ME1 vs Tali/Garrus, we've played with them already in ME2 so seeing them in ME3 won't be so "reuniting".

It was sort of like watching Yoda fight Darth Sidious in EP3. It was already an epic fight but it would have been more epic if we had not already saw Yoda fight in EP2 against Darth Tyrannus. So by the time Yoda pulls out his lightsaber in EP3, it was more like "Oh yeah, Yoda is about to fight again" vs "Oh $H!T, Yoda is actually about to do this!"

I am a fan of Ashley and I wanted her to be a squadmate in ME2, but now, I am glad she wasn't. Her cameo, while brief was good enough in ME2.

[Evelinessa]

I'm happy that Garrus and Tali came back in ME2 but you're right that they probably won't have a major plot role in the sequel. I'm hoping they will be squadmates though even if they arn't really important to the plot.

[Rivercurse]

Hell yes I'm glad they were in ME2. Both had great parts to play in that game.



They're gonna be in ME3 aswell, just TBC on size of role. As long as they're all there I don't really care too much.

[marshalleck]

I can think of good reasons for every past party member to return and I can think of good reasons for none of them to return. Until we have more solid information about ME3, this is all complete guesswork. And to answer the question, no I don't wish Tali and Garrus had been reserved until ME3 because it's still so unclear what's going on with all the characters with the exception of Liara.

[Rivercurse]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

I can't help but feel that the Garrus and Tali fans may have ultimately shot themselves in the proverbial foot by demanding that they return in ME2...

Just because it's possible to kill them off in ME2 doesn't mean they wont be full squadmates in ME3.  You have to work pretty damn hard at failing in order to kill your team anyway.  Less than 5% of players would have managed it by accident I reckon. 

These would happen to be the same 5% who rushed through ME2 without doing loyalty/sidequests etc, probably just to rape a bit of quick gamerscore out of it, with no intention of ever playing through it again.

The overwhelming majority of ME3 importers will have Tali/Garrus alive.  I'd wager as high as 90%.

However, if they ARE dead at the end of ME2, no one takes their place on your squad in ME3, you would just end up with a max squad of 10 instead of 12 (for example).

[tonnactus]

Both got completely ruined in the second game.Garrus,not matter what the player did in the first game,became the stupid vigilante on omega and tali became a fangirl who adores shepardt so much so she even mentioned him/her in audio logs.Disgusting.

Modifié par tonnactus, 27 décembre 2010 - 07:53 .

[Collider]

No.

[CroGamer002]

tonnactus wrote...

Both got completely ruined in the second game.

This is gonna be good.

Garrus,not matter what the player did in the first game,became the stupid vigilante on omega

If Garrus went back to C-Sec he probably wouldn't return but if he was Specter then he would have no excuse not to be with Shep. Also so what he was vigilante?

and tali became a fangirl who adores shepardt so much to even mentioned him/her in audio logs.Disgusting

That is the most retarded troll post, ever.

[Alienmorph]

tonnactus wrote...

Both got completely ruined in the second game.Garrus,not matter what the player did in the first game,became the stupid vigilante on omega and tali became a fangirl who adores shepardt so much so she even mentioned him/her in audio logs.Disgusting.

And then I have to to hear people whining about a supposed anti-Ash comic strip not even done by me... while I have to tolerate this kind of crap about my favourite characters every dammit day. That's the really disgusting thing.

Also... stop with the thing "they won't be in ME3 'cause they can die in ME2"... Garrus is the hardest squadmate to kill after Miranda, and the fate of quarians in one of the most importante subplot foreshadowed in ME2. Unless you'll kill them intentionally, or BW decides to reboot again the team (and considering that we're are at the ending ot the story would be ridiculous) they'll be in ME3. Period.

So no... I don't think theat they were ruined and that they shouldn't have been in the ME2 team.

[Barquiel]

Alienmorph wrote...

Also... stop with the thing "they won't be in ME3 'cause they can die in ME2"... Garrus is the hardest squadmate to kill after Miranda, and the fate of quarians in one of the most importante subplot foreshadowed in ME2. Unless you'll kill them intentionally, or BW decides to reboot again the team (and considering that we're are at the ending ot the story would be ridiculous) they'll be in ME3. Period.

It doesn't matter if someone is "hard" to kill (and Garrus isn't even hard to kill).

a character is killable = his/her role will be limited
http://www.joystiq.c...-mass-effect-2/

[Kim Shepard]

Of course I'm glad that my favorite squadmates were in ME2.

The fact that they can die only means that they can't be required for the story to continue in ME3. Out of 16(?) squadmates over both games, the only one who is actually required is Liara. That doesn't mean the others can't, or shouldn't, be squadmates in ME3. It doesn't mean that they can't make a difference in the story. And it doesn't mean that the reunions were any less awesome because they happened in ME2 instead of ME3. All of the old squadmates had a reunion with Shepard in ME2, even if they didn't join the team, and Wrex's was one of my favorites.

[Alienmorph]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Of course I'm glad that my favorite squadmates were in ME2.

The fact that they can die only means that they can't be required for the story to continue in ME3. Out of 16(?) squadmates over both games, the only one who is actually required is Liara. That doesn't mean the others can't, or shouldn't, be squadmates in ME3. It doesn't mean that they can't make a difference in the story. And it doesn't mean that the reunions were any less awesome because they happened in ME2 instead of ME3. All of the old squadmates had a reunion with Shepard in ME2, even if they didn't join the team, and Wrex's was one of my favorites.

You hit the point Kim. The foreshadow  of this thread is "Poor you Tali/Garrus fans... you'll never see again you favourite characters 'cause they weren't put in a safe position like Liara!" Sadly, Liara's actually in one of the most dangerous position of the galaxy as the new Shadow Broker... she can't die in ME2, but she's far from be safe in the final chapter too imoh. And if BW didn't want to bring back at least some of the ME2 squadmates, then they didn't do the game centering it so much on the interaction with them and bulding so much subplots around them. Even if they'll all be NpCized, and still I don't think so, surely they'll have some relevance.  

[Kim Shepard]

Like I just said in the Thane thread, no one is safe in ME3. No one is sure to live through the end of the trilogy. Not even Shepard. In fact, I'm more worried about Shepard than any squadmate.

I don't think BioWare would make a whole game centered around recruiting the best of the best just to ignore them in the final chapter either. Squadmates or not - everyone should be important, but not required. I'd like a system where Shepard can choose between having them on the Normandy or having them do something equally important to help with the mission, just not as squadmates. It might be too much to hope for, but everyone could keep their favorites with them, keep their least favorites far away, and no one would sit on the sidelines doing nothing when the Reapers are coming.

[Alienmorph]

Perfectly agreed on everything

[Neria Rose]

Nope, I'm very happy Garrus was in ME2. If that means a cameo role in ME3, so be it, I got the romance I never imagined Bioware would give us . And I'm not so attached to a fictional, pixelated character that I'd spend hours of my time b*tching and moaning about his potential non-squadmate status/OOCness/yadda yadda yadda.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

I'm glad Garrus was in ME2. He's ok for a Turian.



I'm glad Tali's recruitment was optional in ME2. She's worthless.

[NuclearBuddha]

...No?

[PrinceLionheart]

Barquiel wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Also... stop with the thing "they won't be in ME3 'cause they can die in ME2"... Garrus is the hardest squadmate to kill after Miranda, and the fate of quarians in one of the most importante subplot foreshadowed in ME2. Unless you'll kill them intentionally, or BW decides to reboot again the team (and considering that we're are at the ending ot the story would be ridiculous) they'll be in ME3. Period.

It doesn't matter if someone is "hard" to kill (and Garrus isn't even hard to kill).

a character is killable = his/her role will be limited
http://www.joystiq.c...-mass-effect-2/

Seriously, I see ME2 squad returning as NPCs but that's it. Virmire Survivor and Wrex have the advantage of being interchangeable with another character (Ashley/Kaidan, Wrex/Wreave) so finding a substitute role wouldn't be too hard. ME2 squad? Not as simple.

Honestly speaking, I think Garrus and Tali were nice additions, but their characterization could've been better. Whether you convinced him to follow the rules or not, Garrus decides to become space-batman anyway. Made for a cool recruitment mission, but no so much consistency. While I wouldn't deride her being a "Shepard-fanboy", most of Tali's romance felt like fanservice for all the Talimancers. Not saying that's a bad thing though.

[Aeowyn]

I think people who played the first game would be pretty unhappy if they woke up in ME2 and NONE of the squaddies from the first game were back. Yes, I'm glad that they're both in your squad, and I hope that they will be back for the third game, but in the end, this is my Shepard's story and as long as they don't mess it up in the final game I'll be happy.

[darknoon5]

It's pretty much been confirmed that, to some extent, ME2 squadmates will return.



http://twitter.com/truffle



"Yes. RT @SirUlrichVL @truffle so I take it if I only have zaeed, kasumi and joker alive. That shep is in for a rough ride in ME3? "

[Kim Shepard]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Whether you convinced him to follow the rules or not, Garrus decides to become space-batman anyway. Made for a cool recruitment mission, but no so much consistency.

I like the fact that Garrus' character isn't completely defined by what Shepard wants. He's naturally more Renegade than Paragon, and it's obvious that he didn't like C-Sec. He does try to live by Shepard's example and goes back to C-Sec or Spectre training, but in the end, it's just advice and he did what he wanted. Becoming a vigilante works much better for his character than going back to a job he hated before and somehow hating it less now because Shepard said he should, in my opinion.

[ELE08]

Barquiel wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Also... stop with the thing "they won't be in ME3 'cause they can die in ME2"... Garrus is the hardest squadmate to kill after Miranda, and the fate of quarians in one of the most importante subplot foreshadowed in ME2. Unless you'll kill them intentionally, or BW decides to reboot again the team (and considering that we're are at the ending ot the story would be ridiculous) they'll be in ME3. Period.

It doesn't matter if someone is "hard" to kill (and Garrus isn't even hard to kill).

a character is killable = his/her role will be limited
http://www.joystiq.c...-mass-effect-2/

By that argument Ash, Kaidan and Wrex won't have big roles in ME3 either.  All of them can be killed in ME1.

Assuming they are still alive, I think it's safe to say all the characters from ME1 and ME2 will be back in some capacity.  The question is how big their role will be, which is anywhere from a tiny cameo to full on squaddie.  Everything right now regarding that is pure speculation.

Oh, and no, I'm glad Tali and Garrus were in ME2.  Garrus is my favorite character, and I really liked having Tali back, her loyalty quest was one of my favorites in the game.  I don't think it would have been better to wait to see them in ME3.

[Alienmorph]

ELE08 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Also... stop with the thing "they won't be in ME3 'cause they can die in ME2"... Garrus is the hardest squadmate to kill after Miranda, and the fate of quarians in one of the most importante subplot foreshadowed in ME2. Unless you'll kill them intentionally, or BW decides to reboot again the team (and considering that we're are at the ending ot the story would be ridiculous) they'll be in ME3. Period.

It doesn't matter if someone is "hard" to kill (and Garrus isn't even hard to kill).

a character is killable = his/her role will be limited
http://www.joystiq.c...-mass-effect-2/

By that argument Ash, Kaidan and Wrex won't have big roles in ME3 either.  All of them can be killed in ME1.

Yes, and that's clearily false, at least for Wrex that is the rising leader of the Krogans. And with the return of Shepard to the Alliance the Virmire Survivor too will be again relevant almost for sure. So, NpC or not why this can't be happen with the ME2's cast?

[Alienmorph]

ELE08 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Also... stop with the thing "they won't be in ME3 'cause they can die in ME2"... Garrus is the hardest squadmate to kill after Miranda, and the fate of quarians in one of the most importante subplot foreshadowed in ME2. Unless you'll kill them intentionally, or BW decides to reboot again the team (and considering that we're are at the ending ot the story would be ridiculous) they'll be in ME3. Period.

It doesn't matter if someone is "hard" to kill (and Garrus isn't even hard to kill).

a character is killable = his/her role will be limited
http://www.joystiq.c...-mass-effect-2/

By that argument Ash, Kaidan and Wrex won't have big roles in ME3 either.  All of them can be killed in ME1.

Yes, and that's clearily false, at least for Wrex that is the rising leader of the Krogans. And with the return of Shepard to the Alliance the Virmire Survivor too will be again relevant almost for sure. So, NpC or not why this can't happen with the ME2's cast?