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[TelexFerra]

...had Shepard not wasted time turning off the torches. Seriously, what did Shepard think that would accomplish? Why not just find the main facility and take the Batarians completely by surprise. That way, Balak would never have had the chance to lock the hostages in a room with bombs.

[Aeowyn]

Because if Shepard hadn't turned off the torches the asteroid would still be on a colission course to Terra Nova.

[philiposophy]

Since the torches are powering the asteroid towards the planet, shutting them down absolutely is your priority. What are the lives of a few scientists on X57 compared to the millions who are going to die if that thing hits its target?

[TelexFerra]

philiposophy wrote...

Since the torches are powering the asteroid towards the planet, shutting them down absolutely is your priority. What are the lives of a few scientists on X57 compared to the millions who are going to die if that thing hits its target?

Whether or not the torches remained active, the asteroid would still have been on course with Terra Nova.

[Aeowyn]

TelexFerra wrote...

philiposophy wrote...

Since the torches are powering the asteroid towards the planet, shutting them down absolutely is your priority. What are the lives of a few scientists on X57 compared to the millions who are going to die if that thing hits its target?

Whether or not the torches remained active, the asteroid would still have been on course with Terra Nova.

No, you see it in the end, I guess the asteroid goes back to it's normal "route" and avoids hitting the atmosphere of Terra Nova.

[Bourne Endeavor]

TelexFerra wrote...

philiposophy wrote...



Since the torches are powering the asteroid towards the planet, shutting them down absolutely is your priority. What are the lives of a few scientists on X57 compared to the millions who are going to die if that thing hits its target?

Whether or not the torches remained active, the asteroid would still have been on course with Terra Nova.

No, the asteroid had not yet reached Terra Nova's atmosphere. The torches were propelling it in that direction and it does so. It would have been irreversible. Therefore, turning them off was top priority. Furthermore, you could only access the man facility after meeting that other Batarian and either making arrangements with him or shooting him.

[windsock]

Aeowyn wrote...

TelexFerra wrote...

philiposophy wrote...

Since the torches are powering the asteroid towards the planet, shutting them down absolutely is your priority. What are the lives of a few scientists on X57 compared to the millions who are going to die if that thing hits its target?

Whether or not the torches remained active, the asteroid would still have been on course with Terra Nova.

No, you see it in the end, I guess the asteroid goes back to it's normal "route" and avoids hitting the atmosphere of Terra Nova.

No, being that there isn't any friction to stop the asteroid, it would have continued on its colision course. Shutting down the torches stops any increase in velocity, but doesn't change its bearing. Once that was taken care of, it gave you enough time to deal with the terrorists and restore control of the facility to change direction, most likely into a stable orbit.

Regardless of either way it hits the atmosphere something bad is going to happen. It can smack straight into the thing which is bad, or if the torches weren't activated in the right amount of time in order to allow an orbit to be built the asteroid would have hit the atmosphere and started aerobraking, which would result in it deorbiting as well.

Modifié par windsock, 28 décembre 2010 - 01:10 .

[windsock]

edit; double post

Modifié par windsock, 28 décembre 2010 - 01:08 .

[TelexFerra]

windsock wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

TelexFerra wrote...

philiposophy wrote...

Since the torches are powering the asteroid towards the planet, shutting them down absolutely is your priority. What are the lives of a few scientists on X57 compared to the millions who are going to die if that thing hits its target?

Whether or not the torches remained active, the asteroid would still have been on course with Terra Nova.

No, you see it in the end, I guess the asteroid goes back to it's normal "route" and avoids hitting the atmosphere of Terra Nova.

No, being that there isn't any friction to stop the asteroid, it would have continued on its colision course. Shutting down the torches stops any increase in velocity, but doesn't change its bearing. Once that was taken care of, it gave you enough time to deal with the terrorists and restore control of the facility to change direction, most likely into a stable orbit.

Regardless of either way it hits the atmosphere something bad is going to happen. It can smack straight into the thing which is bad, or if the torches weren't activated in the right amount of time in order to allow an orbit to be built the asteroid would have hit the atmosphere and started aerobraking, which would result in it deorbiting as well.

Thank you sir for demonstrating how Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a **** in space.

An object at a constant velocity stays at a constant velocity until acted on by an unbalanced force.

[windsock]

Physics is awesome.

Which is sometimes why I facepalm at the Normandy pulling off atmospheric moves in a vacuum but that's another topic

Modifié par windsock, 28 décembre 2010 - 01:43 .

[TomY90]

windsock wrote...

Physics is awesome.

Which is sometimes why I facepalm at the Normandy pulling off atmospheric moves in a vacuum but that's another topic

To be honest i would rather have all of those moves than have a ship that moves more like a boat that a plane its much better to watch and looks more action packed

[Elvis_Mazur]

He had to slow down the asteroid. You just didn't pay enough attention to the story.

[TelexFerra]

PetrySilva wrote...

He had to slow down the asteroid. You just didn't pay enough attention to the story.

Explain how shutting down the torches would slow down the asteroid.

[windsock]

TomY90 wrote...

To be honest i would rather have all of those moves than have a ship that moves more like a boat that a plane its much better to watch and looks more action packed

No I understand  - trust me I shed many a tear of manliness during the whole Omega-4 sequence.

But a spacecraft wouldn't  necessarily have to manuever clumisly to be realisitic. I mean in universe humans have been a spacefaring species for over a 100 years with FTL tech - even the clumsiest and slowest ship's manueverability would make our soon-to-be retired Space Shuttle's abilities compare to that of a bloated cow. With that in mind (and an awareness that suspension of disbelief is necessary in all sci-fi) certain manuevers are uneccesary. One would not need to bank into a turn, for example. And lore wise ships exiting FTL should be backwards (unless they turn back forwards before the final deceleration into slower than light speed).

These are only nit-picking things. That and the alliance officer uniforms are really the only thing that annoy me. And the weird NCO structure the alliance has. But I volunteer with the US Coast Guard so I have a thing about uniforms and protocal.

PetrySilva wrote...

He had to slow down the asteroid. You just didn't pay enough attention to the story.

Turning the torches off wouldn't slow down the asteroid, it would just stop any further acceleration. You'd have to apply force in the opposite direction to counteract it (as well as force to put the asteroid into orbit, merely decelerating it will still result in impact eventually).

Modifié par windsock, 28 décembre 2010 - 03:12 .

[Bogsnot1]

TomY90 wrote...

windsock wrote...
Physics is awesome.
Which is sometimes why I facepalm at the Normandy pulling off atmospheric moves in a vacuum but that's another topic

To be honest i would rather have all of those moves than have a ship that moves more like a boat that a plane its much better to watch and looks more action packed

Go out and watch some Babylon 5 , or new BSG episodes. Space combat that pays attention to Newtonian physics is always more action packed than "aerobatic" space combat. It brings about a whole set of new tactics. No point trying to get onto someones 6, when they can kill thrusters, rotate on the spot whilst maintaining forward trajectory, and shoot you in the face. Strafing runs take on a whole new meaning too.

[Zaxares]

What I want to know is, while running to disable the bombs and save the hostages, why the heck didn't Shepard just activate his radio and say, "Joker! There's going to be a ship filled with terrorists taking off. BLAST THEM!"



Shepard saves the hostages, the Normandy destroys the ship with Balak and the terrorists on it, mission accomplished PERFECTLY.

[aeetos21]

the torches were needed to keep the asteroid on target to hit the planet. once they became offline the asteroid continued along its flight path while the planet continued its orbit. without any ability to increase speed or change flight trajectory the asteroid missed the planet.

Modifié par aeetos21, 29 décembre 2010 - 01:11 .

[Elvis_Mazur]

Oh men, you all understood what I meant. He had as priority the planet and those torches would make impossible for Shepard to first kill Balak and then deactivate those things.

No need to be so nitpicky on what I wrote.

Modifié par PetrySilva, 29 décembre 2010 - 01:24 .

[hawat333]

And how would Shepard know that eliminating Balak and saving the hostages would take 20 minutes and not two days?
How would Shepard know that Balak won't take and kill him by surprise?
Shepard didn't even know where Balak is in the first place.

His only reasonable choice and both his priority was to go after the torches.

Modifié par hawat333, 29 décembre 2010 - 02:25 .

[CoolCR]

Agree with hawat333

Could he have known were the hostages were before getting to the first torch.

Could he have known were the Batarian leader was before being told after turning off the third torch.



Important point to the astro boys above the torches are turned off one at time there arranged in a tripod (i assume to give some directional control) by deactivating them at different times shepard being an uber lucky bod just happens to drop the rock in orbit about as likely as living in a galaxy were there is a whole race of super hot babes who like to get it on and will never get old well not in your lifetime anyway.

[Blunt 7rauma]

Since there is already talk about the physics of the asteroid and its inertia, how about the fact that all of the torches are on one plane of the asteroid. It would have been perfectly good to just take out the batarians without shutting the torches down because the asteroid would just be spinning in space around a single axis, not moving forward.

[Blunt 7rauma]

But then again...certain properties of physics may be and should be disregarded because this is science fiction.

[pacer90]

You had a deadline that at which point if the torches hadn't been shut down the momentum would've been too great to stop at all.



I don't see how there is any room for debate about that. Yes I know that this doesn't STOP the asteroid, but if it's moving at 100k kph steady that's a hell of a lot better than 300k kph and still accelerating.

[KenLyns]

I suppose with a certain approach angle, shutting off the torches allows the asteroid to be caught in Terra Nova's gravity and start orbiting the planet, basically what the engineers intended to do in the first place.



As Zaxares mentioned, the bigger plothole is not radioing the Normandy to destroy the pirate ship.

[Sinapus]

Actually, if the asteroid's vector was still being changed so that its orbit intersected with the planet, then shutting off the torches would help quite a bit. Moving quickly and shutting them down could lead the asteroid to be on a vector that missed the planet. It might still enter into an orbit around the planet or get slingshot away and require they start over with bringing it into orbit.



Just so long as it didn't involve an extinction event, it wasn't a time to be picky.