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[DaneWolf]

I never felt there was a bond between Ashley or Liara in ME2... You wake up after 2 years were everybody thought you were dead... I heard what Ash's feelings were all about and Liara kissed me on the cheek... But hey... That dosn't mean there is a relationship between them!!!



Nope... No connection between Ash and Liara and Shep in ME2

[Shenzi]

MajesticJazz wrote...

I though of this interesting idea that my human-centric (Pro Humanity) Shepard would cheat on Liara in ME3 only if there was a F/F romance option in ME3. Because Liara is technically not human, I do not count Liara romance as female on female.

With that being said, Nubia Shepard has stayed faithful to Liara all the way through LOTSB. I never felt any connection between the two as Liara was just a piece of butt rather than a full out romance like my Ashley Williams romance playthrough. Besides, Nubia Shepard is strongly pro-human so she would dump Liara any day for a human female. That would be the only way she cheats on Liara in ME3 and because she is lesbian, a human male wouldn't cut it for her, it has to be a human female.


So thats mine, are there any scenarios in which you would consider cheating on your ME1 or ME2 romance in ME3?

I disagree with the notion that Liara isn’t female. BW can refer to her as genderless all they want, but if they really expected us to buy that line of reasoning then she shouldn’t have been drawn as obviously female.

As far as a romance for ME3, all my Shepard’s have remained faithful to Kaidan and will continue to do so. I have no interest in another romance for ME3 although I do hope Joker is a LI just for all the friends I have on the forum that really want him as one.

[Aurica]

Hmmm for me that really depends on the Shepard I'm playing.  I have 4 but only one of them is my canon.  My paragon Shepards never cheats are as boring & predictable as you can expect monogamy relationships to be.

My male renegade is a little misogynistic and thinks only of shagging every female looking thingy he can get his grubby paws on.  He actually only went with Ashley because she did not consent to a threesome with Liara.  Then as a soon as she spurn him on Horizon, he immediately hit on the others.
My renegade female is a little like Jack, she is as likely to approach sex casually as well as kill the same person she slept with. Started a relationship with Liara only because of the novelty. 

So if new LI are present in ME3 for them.. they WILL cheat.

Modifié par Aurica, 28 décembre 2010 - 12:41 .

[Prudii Aden]

To cheat, you actually have to be in a relationship. Shep died (break up point 1), then got called a traitor when on Horizon (break up point 2). Relationship with ME1 LI, what relationship?

[Collider]

1. You can really only cheat on Ashley/Kaidan if:*

a. It's Jacob. He's the only romance that can start before Horizon.

b. Shepard him/herself believes that the relationship is not over with the VS.



2. Romancing someone else in ME2 while not having yet called things off with Liara is cheating as far as I'm concerned.



*I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware considered it cheating in all cases anyway, though.

[Jenova65]

Shenzi wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

I though of this interesting idea that my human-centric (Pro Humanity) Shepard would cheat on Liara in ME3 only if there was a F/F romance option in ME3. Because Liara is technically not human, I do not count Liara romance as female on female.

With that being said, Nubia Shepard has stayed faithful to Liara all the way through LOTSB. I never felt any connection between the two as Liara was just a piece of butt rather than a full out romance like my Ashley Williams romance playthrough. Besides, Nubia Shepard is strongly pro-human so she would dump Liara any day for a human female. That would be the only way she cheats on Liara in ME3 and because she is lesbian, a human male wouldn't cut it for her, it has to be a human female.


So thats mine, are there any scenarios in which you would consider cheating on your ME1 or ME2 romance in ME3?

I disagree with the notion that Liara isn’t female. BW can refer to her as genderless all they want, but if they really expected us to buy that line of reasoning then she shouldn’t have been drawn as obviously female.

As far as a romance for ME3, all my Shepard’s have remained faithful to Kaidan and will continue to do so. I have no interest in another romance for ME3 although I do hope Joker is a LI just for all the friends I have on the forum that really want him as one.

Totally agree! It is very easy to portray a character as androgynous.
Many pop stars, including K D Lang, Boy George, Peter Robinson (Marilyn) and Annie Lennox (off the top of my head) have successfully confused the buying public and in Annie's case US immigration as well (that is more a reflection on them than her though.................) It would be very simple to make the Asari androgynous but BioWare chose to make them look female AND chose to make many of them exotic dancers All of them are voiced by women. Liara looks female, sounds female and acts in a disappointingly 'female', way. The only Asari who is even vaguely convincing is serving drinks on Illium!  That said, I don't dislike Liara, just let's not pretend she is not supposed to be feminine. 

[Collider]

The codex describes the asari as a mono-gendered, all female race. If female Shepard is romancing Liara, she's probably into chicks. Considering the Asari are basically blue human women with head tentacles.

[Jabarai]

Elyvern wrote...

6 malesheps....all romanced Miranda and no one else....

I'm curious. What's so great about Miranda?

I generally got the impression that she was only introduced as the token human supremacist option, really, logical enough successor to Ashley. I'm not writing this to mock those who, for some reason, care for Miranda or Ashley, but I'd really prefer to see a human female companion with a personality and even a bit of warmth. Why are they instead reduced to simple barbie dolls?

[Merchant2006]

I really do dislike the word "cheat" here in Mass Effect. Quite frankly, Ashley gave my Shepard the middle finger and refused to listen, she's put Shepard behind her but then later regrets it and sends my Shep some useless Poem. Now I get that Shep misses Ash, but that's in the past, you gotta move on.

Just because my Shep now decides to romance Jack doesn't count as "Cheating". He's moved on. So if Ashley has a hissy fit in Mass Effect 3 because of this decision then that's her problem.

Wow... yeah sorry, I'm a bit 'cruel' but... I wonder if anyone else sees it this way...

[Collider]

Jabarai wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

6 malesheps....all romanced Miranda and no one else....

I'm curious. What's so great about Miranda?

I generally got the impression that she was only introduced as the token human supremacist option, really, logical enough successor to Ashley. I'm not writing this to mock those who, for some reason, care for Miranda or Ashley, but I'd really prefer to see a human female companion with a personality and even a bit of warmth. Why are they instead reduced to simple barbie dolls?

It's regretful how much they needlessly sexualized Miranda, but there's more to her than that.

[aygezgini]

Merchant2006
wrote...

I really do dislike the word "cheat" here in Mass Effect. Quite frankly, Ashley gave my Shepard the middle finger and refused to listen, she's put Shepard behind her but then later regrets it and sends my Shep some useless Poem. Now I get that Shep misses Ash, but that's in the past, you gotta move on.

My sentiments exactly. Even if she acted a little bit cold to me I somehow managed to stay loyal to Liara with my main Shep. But the way Ashley pushed me off on another playthrough just got me quite pissed off (luckily Miranda was around for him  ). As for now, I don’t think they will be looking for something new in ME3.

As for my female Shep, well she wasn’t in any kind of romance for the first two games but who knows…

Modifié par aygezgini, 28 décembre 2010 - 01:10 .

[Jabarai]

Prudii Aden wrote...

To cheat, you actually have to be in a relationship. Shep died (break up point 1), then got called a traitor when on Horizon (break up point 2). Relationship with ME1 LI, what relationship?

The real life is thankfully a bit more involving than that. And it's really the player's own view on real world relationships that is reflected in any well written gaming universe, which, in my opinion, the ME certainly is.

I know for a fact that many would disagree with you.

[Jenova65]

Merchant2006 wrote...

I really do dislike the word "cheat" here in Mass Effect. Quite frankly, Ashley gave my Shepard the middle finger and refused to listen, she's put Shepard behind her but then later regrets it and sends my Shep some useless Poem. Now I get that Shep misses Ash, but that's in the past, you gotta move on.

Just because my Shep now decides to romance Jack doesn't count as "Cheating". He's moved on. So if Ashley has a hissy fit in Mass Effect 3 because of this decision then that's her problem.

Wow... yeah sorry, I'm a bit 'cruel' but... I wonder if anyone else sees it this way...

And if you think long and hard enough, you can justify anything.
Ashley/Kaidan loved/still love Shepard and have been coming to terms with their loss for two years only to find out that he/she is working with a terrorist organisation and hasn't even bothered to drop an email, then piles on injury to insult with ''It's been too long Kaidan, how have you been?''
P*ssed?
I would be, wouldn't you?
At least they send an email apologising and making it clear that even after two years they still feel something, same can't be said for old 'no reply Shepard'!  
Really the hatred for Kaidan/Ashley can be dumped clearly at BioWare's door, bad writing for Horizon, simple, either that or clever writing so that we might find these new romances as compelling as Casey Hudson kept telling us they would be <_< 
It is time players took responsibility for their Shepard's behaviour and stopped blaming the person who loved them most for being justifiably hurt.


So there.................. <_<
/end rant

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Heh, I won't cheat because my choice of LI is well-thought and the character and the romance fit my FemShep's personality.



Cheating would be OOC, in fact.

[Alienmorph]

Collider wrote...

Jabarai wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

6 malesheps....all romanced Miranda and no one else....

I'm curious. What's so great about Miranda?

I generally got the impression that she was only introduced as the token human supremacist option, really, logical enough successor to Ashley. I'm not writing this to mock those who, for some reason, care for Miranda or Ashley, but I'd really prefer to see a human female companion with a personality and even a bit of warmth. Why are they instead reduced to simple barbie dolls?

It's regretful how much they needlessly sexualized Miranda, but there's more to her than that.

Yes, when I started ME2 for the first time the beginning of the game made her an interesting choice... then it comes all that exasperated sexual exposure. And Tali off course, but it's not the point now. The point is that Miranda really had the potential to be more than a James-Bond style chick but she wasn't well used as much as other charaters. I guess that many of the Miranda fans who don't stay with her only for the curves see what she can become in ME3. But even in that case cheating on Tali is not an option  

[Jabarai]

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...

Heh, I won't cheat because my choice of LI is well-thought and the character and the romance fit my FemShep's personality.

Cheating would be OOC, in fact.

I've never seen anyone rationalise love quite that way. But in a game, I suppose it's possible. :happy:

[Jabarai]

Alienmorph wrote...

Collider wrote...

Jabarai wrote...
..... I'm not writing this to mock those who, for some reason, care for Miranda or Ashley, but I'd really prefer to see a human female companion with a personality and even a bit of warmth. Why are they instead reduced to simple barbie dolls?

It's regretful how much they needlessly sexualized Miranda, but there's more to her than that.

Yes, when I started ME2 for the first time the beginning of the game made her an interesting choice... then it comes all that exasperated sexual exposure.....  

In some way I agree with Collider in that there's more to Miranda than sexuality. Her background is quite interesting and it's fairly easy to begin to understand her cold and shrewd personality... But it sort of ends there, the mystery and intrigue, to be replaced by awkward camera angles and semi-erotic poses that don't fit the mood of the discussion she's having with Shepard.

The loyalty mission, of course, rectified a lot of what I felt was wrong with Miranda's character, but I always felt there wasn't going to be a future for the couple, beyond the inevitable "action scene". 

[Winterfly]

James Bond like chicks or not, I must say I dont see the big fuss with the "sex" in ME games as of yet. Or am I simply too much of a "european"?

[Xilizhra]

Before LotSB, my main Shepard would have cheated on Liara for Samara had it been an option. Now? Never.

If Samara is a full LI in ME3, though, I'll make a different character.

[syllogi]

My main Shepard could not even fathom starting a new relationship in ME2, so she'll be waiting for a chance to renew her relationship with Kaidan in ME3. I *really* can't see any way that she would be enticed by new characters at the end of the trilogy.



If, after playing ME3 with my main, I find some intriguing new character who knocks my socks off, I'll create a new single character for them.

[Juliaxo]

Thane is the only man for my Fem!Shep. She's staying with him.

Jenova65 wrote...
And if you think long and hard enough, you can justify anything.
Ashley/Kaidan loved/still love Shepard and have been coming to terms with their loss for two years only to find out that he/she is working with a terrorist organisation and hasn't even bothered to drop an email, then piles on injury to insult with ''It's been too long Kaidan, how have you been?''
P*ssed?
I would be, wouldn't you?
At least they send an email apologising and making it clear that even after two years they still feel something, same can't be said for old 'no reply Shepard'!  
Really the hatred for Kaidan/Ashley can be dumped clearly at BioWare's door, bad writing for Horizon, simple, either that or clever writing so that we might find these new romances as compelling as Casey Hudson kept telling us they would be <_< 
It is time players took responsibility for their Shepard's behaviour and stopped blaming the person who loved them most for being justifiably hurt.

I don't think this is fair at all. My mainShep romanced Kaidan in ME1 and I don't consider it cheating that she moved on with Thane after Horizon. After everything they went through in the first game you'd think Kaidan would have some trust for Shepard whether you romance him or not. I can understand he was angry but what part of "I was dead" did he not understand? If you ask Anderson about Kaidan or Ash he won't tell you anything except that they're on a super secret mission or whatever. The game provides you with no way to contact the Virmire survivor or respond to their email. Consider that the alien members of the crew have more reason to hate and distrust Cerberus because of their human dominance dogma but they trust Shepard enough to join the team anyway.  Kaidan rather harp about how Cerberus is bad and Shepard is a betrayer and he doesn't care what her reasons are. In less than a few minutes he's made up his mind and storms off. The email he sends later doesn't make up for that in my eyes. From a meta perspective, I know Bioware did this because they wanted the Virmire survivor out of the way. Maybe they have a plan for that character in ME3. That's fine. If other people want to wait and hope to rekindle the relationship with the Virmire survivor that's fine.

But for those that choose to move on it should be fine, too. My Shepard has no interest in rekindling the relationship with Kaidan.

[Elyvern]

Jabarai wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Collider wrote...

Jabarai wrote...
..... I'm not writing this to mock those who, for some reason, care for Miranda or Ashley, but I'd really prefer to see a human female companion with a personality and even a bit of warmth. Why are they instead reduced to simple barbie dolls?

It's regretful how much they needlessly sexualized Miranda, but there's more to her than that.

Yes, when I started ME2 for the first time the beginning of the game made her an interesting choice... then it comes all that exasperated sexual exposure.....  

In some way I agree with Collider in that there's more to Miranda than sexuality. Her background is quite interesting and it's fairly easy to begin to understand her cold and shrewd personality... But it sort of ends there, the mystery and intrigue, to be replaced by awkward camera angles and semi-erotic poses that don't fit the mood of the discussion she's having with Shepard.

The loyalty mission, of course, rectified a lot of what I felt was wrong with Miranda's character, but I always felt there wasn't going to be a future for the couple, beyond the inevitable "action scene". 

Like any other character, there's a lot about her beyond the obvious fanservice she provides. It's why 1 year into ME2, we can still generate alot of interesting discussions in the Miranda thread. But likewise, you have to have that open mind to give things more thought and be willing to speculate some. The fact is...her future with shepard is so rifled with potential. We get hints that her father bred her and intend her to be used for some "dynasty" of his, then we get news of her infertility. We slowly see her becoming more human and emotional, and you have to wonder how that will impact her relationship with Shepard post-ME2. And regardless of if you break free from Cereberus at the end of ME2, Shepard's confrontation with TIM and Miranda's inevitable role is just screaming to be resolved. There are so many ways Miranda's character arc can develop in ME3.

[syllogi]

Juliaxo wrote...

Thane is the only man for my Fem!Shep. She's staying with him.

Jenova65 wrote...
And if you think long and hard enough, you can justify anything.
Ashley/Kaidan loved/still love Shepard and have been coming to terms with their loss for two years only to find out that he/she is working with a terrorist organisation and hasn't even bothered to drop an email, then piles on injury to insult with ''It's been too long Kaidan, how have you been?''
P*ssed?
I would be, wouldn't you?
At least they send an email apologising and making it clear that even after two years they still feel something, same can't be said for old 'no reply Shepard'!  
Really the hatred for Kaidan/Ashley can be dumped clearly at BioWare's door, bad writing for Horizon, simple, either that or clever writing so that we might find these new romances as compelling as Casey Hudson kept telling us they would be <_< 
It is time players took responsibility for their Shepard's behaviour and stopped blaming the person who loved them most for being justifiably hurt.

I don't think this is fair at all. My mainShep romanced Kaidan in ME1 and I don't consider it cheating that she moved on with Thane after Horizon. After everything they went through in the first game you'd think Kaidan would have some trust for Shepard whether you romance him or not. I can understand he was angry but what part of "I was dead" did he not understand? If you ask Anderson about Kaidan or Ash he won't tell you anything except that they're on a super secret mission or whatever. The game provides you with no way to contact the Virmire survivor or respond to their email. Consider that the alien members of the crew have more reason to hate and distrust Cerberus because of their human dominance dogma but they trust Shepard enough to join the team anyway.  Kaidan rather harp about how Cerberus is bad and Shepard is a betrayer and he doesn't care what her reasons are. In less than a few minutes he's made up his mind and storms off. The email he sends later doesn't make up for that in my eyes. From a meta perspective, I know Bioware did this because they wanted the Virmire survivor out of the way. Maybe they have a plan for that character in ME3. That's fine. If other people want to wait and hope to rekindle the relationship with the Virmire survivor that's fine.

But for those that choose to move on it should be fine, too. My Shepard has no interest in rekindling the relationship with Kaidan.

I think people are too quick to hand wave Shepard joining Cerberus.  It is a very, very EVIL organization.  Kaidan and Ashley would have just as much information as Shepard about this, and perhaps even more in the last two years.  "Trust" is a two way street.  Shepard did not show trust in the Alliance when he/she did not attempt to rejoin them after being revived...and no, meeting Anderson and the Citadel Council doesn't count.  The Systems Alliance Military is a separate organization.

None of this even matters, though, because the game railroads the character down one specific path, and we're not allowed to deviate.  So why condemn Ashley and Kaidan for the same thing???  They are not allowed to let Shepard explain, just like Shepard is not allowed to explain.  I personally am willing to wait and see if the writers are going to do a better job in ME3, because I cared about the Virmire Survivor in the first game.