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[hellsoldierx15]

Nope, I'm staying faithful to Tali. Even if she dies, my maleshep knows that she is the only one for him and that nobody could replace her.

[Quietness]

-waves a little liara flag-

[Knickerus]

hellsoldierx15 wrote...

Nope, I'm staying faithful to Tali. Even if she dies, my maleshep knows that she is the only one for him and that nobody could replace her.

The only way that she would die is if you intentionally tried to kill her. Tali is awesome, so I don't see why you would try.

[petarded2]

If ME3 provides me with a love interest that appeals to my admittedly strange tastes better than an alien chicken with a bucket on its head, then yes. Perhaps a former-husk that has been brought back to the ranks of the living through experiments with Reaper tech, or Legion with a feminine voice.

[Knickerus]

petarded2 wrote...

... alien chicken with a bucket on its head ...

LOL

[Sable Rhapsody]

PureMethodActor wrote...

Its important to note that Bioware's weird scripting of that scene showed completely OOC behavior on the part of the Virmire Survivor. If you happen to be playing ME2 and just left Horizon, then I ask you to think about things after they send their apology letter, and give 'em a chance

That said, on subject, I seriously doubt there'll be new LIs in ME3. Just too much new-romance saturation, so its a smarter move to keep it at 2 possible loves and settle it in ME3.

OOC.  So...it's OOC for Ash or Kaidan to express shock at Shep being alive.  OOC for the woman whose family has faithfully served the Alliance for generations to be just the tiniest little bit miffed at Shep working for Cerberus.  OOC for the most Paragon character in ME1 to suspect Cerberus's motives.  And apparently OOC for them to not immediately re-enter a relationship with the ghost of a loved one who's working with terrorists.  Somehow I missed that.

I think it's perfectly understandable that Ash and Kaidan behave as they do.  Not necessarily excusing what happened, but very understandable.  Even Anderson withholds information from Shepard and expresses dislike for the Cerberus connection, and Anderson is Shep's staunchist advocate.  

And I also think it's perfectly understandable if after Horizon, Shep considers the relationship over.  BioWare are getting better at creating scenarios where either decision (pursuing a new LI or staying loyal) is a tenable decision.  Accusing Ash/Kaidan of being somehow awful people OR claiming that BioWare wrote the characters OOC for the express purpose of driving Shep away misses the point.  It's a CHOICE.  And it doesn't have a right or wrong answer.

[MajesticJazz]

Knoll Argonar wrote...

My Asari-lover female Shepard will
OF COURSE cheat on Liara if she could bone another Asari. She tried on
Samara but, well, that failed xD
It's not that she doesn't love
Liara. She loves her... and any other Asari in the Galaxy. She could die
happy if she could romance the Asari Councilor and Shiala =P Better
yet, both of them at the same time.

That is EXACTLY how my Liara romanced Shepard is like. She romanced Liara in ME1, only because she was the only available female option (Ashley wasn't a Lesbian). Then in ME2, she would have went for Samara but she got turned down. It appeared that Tali sort of flirted with her, but nothing happened. If there was an option for my female Shepard to bump with Tali, she would have. So that left Nubia Shepard with Liara again in LOTSB.

So in ME3, if Shiala is available, Nubia Shepard would go for it as well as any other Asari/Female Drell/Female Human.

Hell, She even slept with the Asari Consort in ME 1 right in front of Liara.

[Destroy Raiden_]

DCYNIGR8 wrote...

Shavon wrote...

They should beef up the existing romances and complete them in ME3, rather than introduce more

Agreed.

^ Seconded. Keeping with who you have now, extending it, deepening it, and strengthening current romances would be for the best I want noone else now that I have Garrus, Tali, and Thane for my sheps.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 29 décembre 2010 - 06:02 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

PureMethodActor wrote...

True, and I was advocating for Ash/Kaidan, in case that was misunderstood. What I meant by OOC behavior is the harshness that so many people perceive, though I believe Ash and Kaidan are justified in their arguments.

Basically I'm just tired of seeing people blame Ash/Kaidan solely for the whole Horizon thing when Shepard, whether intentional or accidental, has no dialogue choices to explain him/herself more thoroughly.

That's not OOC, that's just people's knee-jerk reaction to Ash and Kaidan's suspicions.  And it's no fault of the characters or BioWare 

Shep DOES have the opportunity to tell the Virmire Survivor that s/he was clinically dead and incapable of responding.  Shep also has the option to say that the only reason the team's Cerberus is because they're the only ones going after the Collectors.  I can't really blame Ash and Kaidan for not believing it given their situation.

Again, I think the situation is written so that either starting up a new romance or remaining with the old one is a defensible choice.  For example, my ManShep dumps Ashley for Miranda.  I the player understand where Ash is coming from, but for that particular CHARACTER of mine, being accused of betraying the Alliance hurts too much for that relationship to ever really be healed.  It can easily go either way.  Shep is not a horrible person, and neither are Ash or Kaidan.

[ADLegend21]

I will drop kick EVERY LI if Kasumi becomes romancable. Sorry Miranda, Ash, Jacob, and Liara,  all my Shepards have a thing for Japanese girls with a penchant for Kleptomania.

[PauseforEffect]

One Shepard's too fond of Garrus to be thinking of a new LI, the other's too psycotic for a new LI so cheating's not too likely.

Also, it's not that people who dislike Kaiden/Ashley for being suspicious, it's how quickly they jump to the "traitor" reason. Won't go further as my personal reasons are too...can't say it without the word crazy being added.

[JECWSU]

Juliaxo wrote...

Thane is the only man for my Fem!Shep. She's staying with him.

Jenova65 wrote...
And if you think long and hard enough, you can justify anything.
Ashley/Kaidan loved/still love Shepard and have been coming to terms with their loss for two years only to find out that he/she is working with a terrorist organisation and hasn't even bothered to drop an email, then piles on injury to insult with ''It's been too long Kaidan, how have you been?''
P*ssed?
I would be, wouldn't you?
At least they send an email apologising and making it clear that even after two years they still feel something, same can't be said for old 'no reply Shepard'!  
Really the hatred for Kaidan/Ashley can be dumped clearly at BioWare's door, bad writing for Horizon, simple, either that or clever writing so that we might find these new romances as compelling as Casey Hudson kept telling us they would be <_< 
It is time players took responsibility for their Shepard's behaviour and stopped blaming the person who loved them most for being justifiably hurt.

I don't think this is fair at all. My mainShep romanced Kaidan in ME1 and I don't consider it cheating that she moved on with Thane after Horizon. After everything they went through in the first game you'd think Kaidan would have some trust for Shepard whether you romance him or not. I can understand he was angry but what part of "I was dead" did he not understand? If you ask Anderson about Kaidan or Ash he won't tell you anything except that they're on a super secret mission or whatever. The game provides you with no way to contact the Virmire survivor or respond to their email. Consider that the alien members of the crew have more reason to hate and distrust Cerberus because of their human dominance dogma but they trust Shepard enough to join the team anyway.  Kaidan rather harp about how Cerberus is bad and Shepard is a betrayer and he doesn't care what her reasons are. In less than a few minutes he's made up his mind and storms off. The email he sends later doesn't make up for that in my eyes. From a meta perspective, I know Bioware did this because they wanted the Virmire survivor out of the way. Maybe they have a plan for that character in ME3. That's fine. If other people want to wait and hope to rekindle the relationship with the Virmire survivor that's fine.

But for those that choose to move on it should be fine, too. My Shepard has no interest in rekindling the relationship with Kaidan.

This is so ture.

Why should you be punished for finding someone that is a better fit with your Shepard. Shepard did nothing wrong on Horizon, and she most certainly has nothing to apologize for.

No my Shepard will not be cheating in ME3. She is staying with Thane and only him.

[NamiraWilhelm]

if.... Joker was made a LI. But i'd more than likely make a different femshep for him, and keep my own for Kaidan

[King Gigglez]

There are only five people I will POTENTIALLY cheat on Tali for... Shiala, Legion, Aria, Garrus, and Grunt and maybe Mordin, (as a M shepard) Tali will still most likely be my #1 though

[mineralica]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

PureMethodActor wrote...

True, and I was advocating for Ash/Kaidan, in case that was misunderstood. What I meant by OOC behavior is the harshness that so many people perceive, though I believe Ash and Kaidan are justified in their arguments.

Basically I'm just tired of seeing people blame Ash/Kaidan solely for the whole Horizon thing when Shepard, whether intentional or accidental, has no dialogue choices to explain him/herself more thoroughly.

That's not OOC, that's just people's knee-jerk reaction to Ash and Kaidan's suspicions.  And it's no fault of the characters or BioWare 

Shep DOES have the opportunity to tell the Virmire Survivor that s/he was clinically dead and incapable of responding.  Shep also has the option to say that the only reason the team's Cerberus is because they're the only ones going after the Collectors.  I can't really blame Ash and Kaidan for not believing it given their situation.

Again, I think the situation is written so that either starting up a new romance or remaining with the old one is a defensible choice.  For example, my ManShep dumps Ashley for Miranda.  I the player understand where Ash is coming from, but for that particular CHARACTER of mine, being accused of betraying the Alliance hurts too much for that relationship to ever really be healed.  It can easily go either way.  Shep is not a horrible person, and neither are Ash or Kaidan.

My personal thoughts about being OOC is that Kaidan started to accuse Shep too easy (and in ME1 he was all about thinking twice and leave a chance to escape from inpleasant situations in conversations. I'd expect to him to wait for the explanations silently, just with several questions, and create own opinion while Shep talks) and Ashley comparing Shepard with god (yes, she's religious, but this is twice strange for religious person). Shepard acting so cold is OOC for me, too, but this is another question.

[Sable Rhapsody]

mineralica wrote...
My personal thoughts about being OOC is that Kaidan started to accuse Shep too easy (and in ME1 he was all about thinking twice and leave a chance to escape from inpleasant situations in conversations. I'd expect to him to wait for the explanations silently, just with several questions, and create own opinion while Shep talks) and Ashley comparing Shepard with god (yes, she's religious, but this is twice strange for religious person). Shepard acting so cold is OOC for me, too, but this is another question.

OK, for a moment, think about the mitigating circumstances of the situation.  Horizon is a hellhole.  Ash and Kaidan have spent months believing that Cerberus is potentially behind the disappearances.  They lost the person they loved and respected most two years ago, and are still getting over those wounds.  Now that same person turns up, working for an organization they believe to be the enemy.

Extraordinary circumstances can get even the most calm and collected person to act differently--crimes of passion IRL are the arch-example of this element of human behavior.  Ash and Kaidan respond appropriately--first with a kind of awed disbelief, then with shock and anger.  Add that to the enormous amount of strain from what just happened on Horizon, and I don't particularly see their actions as OOC any more than I would see an outburst of anger from a person in real life under enormous strain as OOC.

Shep's behavior is another question altogether.  Everyone has their own ideas of what their Shep is like.  No CRPG will ever fit perfectly the character you've created, and the dialogue wheel as implemented in ME2 is more restrictive than a lot of CRPGs.  That is a design issue, and it's not specific to the encounter on Horizon.

[RhiGibson]

If Kasumi or Aria were made love interest ....

I would consider changing my LI xD

[Adriana22]

.. only if there is Kal'Reegar as LI .

[Loup Blanc]

Saren100 wrote...

Miranda will remain the one and only.

 

This.

Saren100 wrote...

The idea of romancing jack repulses me

 

And this.

[mopotter]

Jenova65 wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

I really do dislike the word "cheat" here in Mass Effect. Quite frankly, Ashley gave my Shepard the middle finger and refused to listen, she's put Shepard behind her but then later regrets it and sends my Shep some useless Poem. Now I get that Shep misses Ash, but that's in the past, you gotta move on.

Just because my Shep now decides to romance Jack doesn't count as "Cheating". He's moved on. So if Ashley has a hissy fit in Mass Effect 3 because of this decision then that's her problem.

Wow... yeah sorry, I'm a bit 'cruel' but... I wonder if anyone else sees it this way...

And if you think long and hard enough, you can justify anything.
Ashley/Kaidan loved/still love Shepard and have been coming to terms with their loss for two years only to find out that he/she is working with a terrorist organisation and hasn't even bothered to drop an email, then piles on injury to insult with ''It's been too long Kaidan, how have you been?''
P*ssed?
I would be, wouldn't you?
At least they send an email apologising and making it clear that even after two years they still feel something, same can't be said for old 'no reply Shepard'!  
Really the hatred for Kaidan/Ashley can be dumped clearly at BioWare's door, bad writing for Horizon, simple, either that or clever writing so that we might find these new romances as compelling as Casey Hudson kept telling us they would be <_< 
It is time players took responsibility for their Shepard's behaviour and stopped blaming the person who loved them most for being justifiably hurt.


So there.................. <_<
/end rant

Excellent rant.  I agree 100%.  

My first play Shepard went directly to Anderson as soon as it was possible and asked about Kaidan.  After all for her it had only been a few days.  Anderson didn't pass that on.  

Plus I really wish they had let us do a reply to the Ash/Kaidan e-mail.  It would have been easy.  Upper right - we'll get together as soon as possible, middle - glad you moved on best of luck and lower right - the cuss out break up.

I was actually happy that Kaidan called Shepard out for working with cerberus.  But agree BioWare could have done a better job with the whole thing.

[mopotter]

Knickerus wrote...

I truly don't understand where all the Kaidan hate comes from. He's the only interesting male LI that the game throws at you. Jacob is boring, Thane is dying, and Garrus isn't cuddly and lovable.

Kaidan will always be my first love and anyone who is his LI will remain his LI.  

But I had a couple of Shepards who were not in a relationship and I enjoyed the Thane romance option.  Jacob was not bad, except I had to turn the sound off for the first couple of times I talked to him.  Garrus, no not cuddly and while my Shepard does love him, it's in a "he's my best friend and we blow things up" way.

[Alphia]

nah, Garrus has my undying loyalty.



But I wonder, how many people that cheated on the ME 1 romances will go back to them in ME 3?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Alphia wrote...

nah, Garrus has my undying loyalty.

But I wonder, how many people that cheated on the ME 1 romances will go back to them in ME 3?

I'd be curious to see the stats for this too, as well as the stats for how many people moved on in ME2 in general.  (Avoiding the phrase 'cheat' since it seems to get folks' underpants into a twist.)  It'd be nice if BioWare released more gameplay stats for ME2, similar to the ones released about Soldier being the most played class, etc.