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[Troponin]

I have recruited all of the classes outside of any DLC. I have also done a couple side missions and objectives and have gone the route of Paragon. My question is, what strat do ya'll use for gaining paragon before doing loyalty quests? I noticed that several of the quests have a point that requires a ton of paragon/renegade to pass the check and I still do not have enough.

Is there a strat or trick to having enough? I am already screwed out of one, because I did Jack's and when I got back, her and Miranda got in to it and I didn't have enough to settle it. I don't want to go any farther until I can figure out how to get enough for these loyalty checks.

[Lord Phoebus]

I use the retrain powers research to get the class ability with +100% paragon/renegade, (I have eezo to burn) for the missions with the high checks. I also leave Jack, Samara and Legion's missions for last since they have the highest paragon requirement. I think Jack/Miranda needs a 80% paragon total, while Samara and Tali/Legion need 100%. There aren't any other crucial paragon/renegade checks I can think of. ..

[Spartas Husky]

mod

[Troponin]

Well that sucks. I really wanted to use Samara in my main group. Her and Miranda compliment my Infiltrator well and without Reave, Samara isn't as useful.

[Troponin]

Spartas Husky wrote...

mod

 What do you mean? 

[sinosleep]

Do you use an imported ME 1 character?

[Troponin]

No. Wasn't until the last two weeks that I started playing ME2 and never played ME1

[lazuli]

There isn't a magic total percent or number of points you need for those checks. As I understand it, those checks are based off of points you have gained and points you could have gained, depending on areas you have visited and missions you have completed. To succeed, you need to be consistent with your paragon and renegade choices. Also, whenever you visit a hub world, do every quest and bit of dialogue you can to gain access to the points the game thinks you should have earned.

Since you are not using an ME1 character import, you don't get much leeway with your morality points.

Modifié par lazuli, 28 décembre 2010 - 05:52 .

[sinosleep]

I really should do a no import playthrough of ME 2 just to get the experience of it. Cause honestly I see threads like this all the time where people are talking about having to go nearly full paragon or full renegade and it's always seemed very strange to me because the vast majority of my characters swap back and forth between renegade and paragon options and I usually wind up having both options available to me for every single decision in the game barring Zaeed's if I do his loyalty mission before putting a few points in my passive and the one choice in the integration scene.



I've played with a lvl 50 import once, and then with lvl 60 imports every other time but never with no import at all. Maybe then it becomes more important to go one way or the other.

[lazuli]

If you do a NG+ you lose all of your paragon/renegade points as well, so I imagine the experience would be similar enough for your purposes.

[sinosleep]

lazuli wrote...

If you do a NG+ you lose all of your paragon/renegade points as well, so I imagine the experience would be similar enough for your purposes.

Yeah, I've never done a full NG+ playthrough either. I like leveling so I've never really seen too much appeal to going the NG+ route. Certainly sounds more appealing than going the no import route though.

[Troponin]

lazuli wrote...

There isn't a magic total percent or number of points you need for those checks. As I understand it, those checks are based off of points you have gained and points you could have gained, depending on areas you have visited and missions you have completed. To succeed, you need to be consistent with your paragon and renegade choices. Also, whenever you visit a hub world, do every quest and bit of dialogue you can to gain access to the points the game thinks you should have earned.

Since you are not using an ME1 character import, you don't get much leeway with your morality points.

I have gone as far with paragon as possible at this point in the game. I choose either the top or middle choice when top is not available. Even with this, I still managed some Renegade though, like for instance, when I helped Laira hack the computers for information, I got renegade for that.

Trust me, I re-started this game when I hit level 17 because I was making too many mistakes. This time around, I cannot think of how I could have possibly gotten more paragon so far because of how cautious I have been in choosing the dialogue. If having that little bit of renegade is what is messing me up, well then, I would need to have a list of all of the tasks to NOT do sitting in front of me with lots of cheats. I can't imagine they would force us to cheat in order to play the game correctly though.

[MrDizazta]

all i can say is play through as either paragon or renagade and save Jack, Miranda, Tali, and Legion's loyalty missions until later in the game. Doing this ensures that you pass the checks. I expirenced this with a no import character. Just choose the passive that grants a 100% boost to morality. Typically I choose those passives anyways because their bonuses are better than the 75% ones.

[Tony Gunslinger]

I do quite a few NG+ plus games, and the only time I've had trouble with Jack/Miranda is when I did their missions very late in the game. I have no trouble with Jack/Miranda since I usually do their missions shortly after the Collector Ship. I was never a full-on paragon in my playthroughs... made Jacob's dad shoot himself, blew up the Geth base, punched the reporter, etc. and still got paragon options in Jack/Miranda and Tali/Legion. It think it's has to do with the order of persuade checks you encounter: do the hardest persuade checks earlier than later, and make sure you don't flip-flop too much beforehand. After the hard checks have passed, then it's ok to goof around a bit. I think a lot of people who have this problem are likely to be Soldiers, Engineers or Infiltrators because they don't need Jack's biotic upgrade that urgently, and ended up doing her LM very late. Or maybe they just don't like Jack...

Modifié par Tony Gunslinger, 28 décembre 2010 - 07:09 .

[Spartas Husky]

By mod I mean modding. There is a thread of it in fan character creations. Lets you add as many points as u want. And since those points are added by u not "earned" I think it tricks the game... in the end I got 3245 paragon.. 245 were actually earned... and 2115 renegade... out of which 115 were actually earned.



ALl options are open for me... more like ME1 style.

[sinosleep]

Well, I started an NG + infiltrator and am taking notes of the decisions I make and what I have available to me.

[lazuli]

sinosleep wrote...

Yeah, I've never done a full NG+ playthrough either. I like leveling so I've never really seen too much appeal to going the NG+ route. Certainly sounds more appealing than going the no import route though.

I did one NG+ as a Vanguard just so I can say I did it.  I prefer leveling as well.  It's nice starting out with your Collector Ship weapon, but beyond that there isn't that much appeal for me.

But to get back on topic, the earlier you do the difficult checks (Jack/Miranda at least), the easier they will be.  Don't go to new hub worlds unless you're prepared to do all of the quests, dialogue, and missions associated with the hub.  If you visit a hub and then don't complete all of the missions right then, the game thinks you've missed morality points until you obtain them.

[Kronner]

IMHO leveling in ME2 is pretty bad. You hit the peak at level 20 and then you get relatively weaker compared to your enemies. NG+ is far superior gameplay experience since you get stronger all the time.

Back on topic, on my "standard" (what would I do?) playthrough, I end up with full Paragon and about half of Renegade bar, save for few checks (getting the name out of Elias Kelham - I am Spectre so STFU; LoTSB Vasir - renegade one is usually greyed out) I have had no problems. On NG+ I do have less Renegade points since there is no initial P/R points bonus.

Modifié par Kronner, 28 décembre 2010 - 03:17 .

[hong]

Troponin wrote...

Well that sucks. I really wanted to use Samara in my main group. Her and Miranda compliment my Infiltrator well and without Reave, Samara isn't as useful.

I'm pretty sure you can make Samara loyal without needing any blue or red points.

[Spartas Husky]

Kronner wrote...

IMHO leveling in ME2 is pretty bad. You hit the peak at level 20 and then you get relatively weaker compared to your enemies. NG+ is far superior gameplay experience since you get stronger all the time.

Back on topic, on my "standard" (what would I do?) playthrough, I end up with full Paragon and about half of Renegade bar, save for few checks (getting the name out of Elias Kelham - I am Spectre so STFU; LoTSB Vasir - renegade one is usually greyed out) I have had no problems. On NG+ I do have less Renegade points since there is no initial P/R points bonus.

thats why I love bumping up the diffifulcty with gibbed... while at the same time having like 20 biotic upgrades with hex....god makes it so damn cool. ALl I need know to make the game more perfect is find the duration cooldown upgrades...

[Troponin]

hong wrote...

Troponin wrote...

Well that sucks. I really wanted to use Samara in my main group. Her and Miranda compliment my Infiltrator well and without Reave, Samara isn't as useful.

I'm pretty sure you can make Samara loyal without needing any blue or red points.

Yes, you can, but here is the problem. It's compounding. If you do a mission, and you don't get the opportunity to choose a blue or red option, you miss out on potential paragon/renegade. If you miss out on paragon/renegade, and a ton of it at that in some situations, you are now behind with no way of making it up. It compounds then until you are so far behind, you need to play the game over again where you fell behind and figure out where you need to get that extra to make it passed that point you fell behind.

THis is where I am having issues with. I have chosen all the paragon choices possible, have done several side tasks and missions, and I somehow got behind somewhere, when it seems impossible, considering I NEVER missed a paragon reply to this point.

[Spartas Husky]

so from all this I guess ur not into modding. Well as a final entry keep in mind u can mod just in case, and it will solve a LOT of shortcomings.



gl.

[Troponin]

Spartas Husky wrote...

so from all this I guess ur not into modding. Well as a final entry keep in mind u can mod just in case, and it will solve a LOT of shortcomings.

gl.

Sorry, I am not. Thank you for suggesting it though. I am always paranoid in altering things. If I lose what I have done so far, I will probably end up trashing the game for good. I have already restarted the game twice, once from level 20, and again at level 17, trying to figure this out. If I have to restart it again from screwing up on the modding, then the game will just go in the trash, because I will just be sick of it by then.

[Spartas Husky]

Troponin wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

so from all this I guess ur not into modding. Well as a final entry keep in mind u can mod just in case, and it will solve a LOT of shortcomings.

gl.

Sorry, I am not. Thank you for suggesting it though. I am always paranoid in altering things. If I lose what I have done so far, I will probably end up trashing the game for good.

That is the good thing about the innitital steps of Modding.

You extra the save, and make multiple copies of the file, so if anything goes wrong you got a backup.

I got 4 copies of a file falled Modding. That involves everything from PC mods to console games.

Is copied into my ipod, pc hardrive, 2nd ipod, and external massive memory drive.

On the PC drive there are 2 of those files, meaning 5 in total, only one of those is every meddled with so in the event something happens there are 4 other folders with the copy before it was modified.

And if something works, all I do is export the file to all the other folders to update them and keep em current.

[hong]

Troponin wrote...

THis is where I am having issues with. I have chosen all the paragon choices possible, have done several side tasks and missions, and I somehow got behind somewhere, when it seems impossible, considering I NEVER missed a paragon reply to this point.

But you will still have a loyal Samara, and unlocked reave, so I fail to see what the problem is.