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My take on how will you confront choices of Mass Effect 1 and 2 in 3.

For starters, all major choices in previous Mass Effect games:

Releasing/killing Rachni Queen

Convincing/killing Wrex.

Saving/not saving the Council

Genophage cure data

Tali loyalty:
-did you or did you not gave the evidence
-encourage Quarians for peace or war with Geth or nothing at all

Legion loyalty:
-did you reprogrammed Geth Heretics or destroyed them
-didn't do Legion loyalty

Kept/destroyed Collector base

Fate of David in Overlord DLC


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If you saved the Council humanity will have great relationship with aliens but the Council will probably deny Reaper existence and ignore invasion of Earth. With lot of convincing you will get Council military support but it will time consuming, but Citadel army will have high morale in battle.

If you don't save the Council humanity will have problems in relationship with aliens even with Anderson as councilor. No matter what, Udina will become Councilor and since Earth is attacked he might take immediate action on liberating of Earth and take Reaper invasion seriously. But Citadel army will have poor moral since they will be lead by humans and have to save humans.



If you saved Rachni Queen you will have massive army of Rachni and some fleet too. But if you saved them I don't think Council races and especially Krogans will be happy to help you if you have Rachni on your side. I believe you will have to choose between Krogans( great foot soldiers but no fleet) or Rachni( massive shock troops and some fleet) or you will need a lot of convincing with Krogans which will be time consuming and it will not be possible if you let Wrex to die on Virmire. With the Council it won't be big issue.

If you killed Rachni Queen you won't have that fuss.



If you convinced Wrex on Virmire you will have support of Krogans against Reapers for sure but you will need to help Wrex to unite Krogans. If you killed Thresher Maw in Grunt loyalty, Grunt survived Suicide Mission, Genophage cure and no Rachni( or at least refused their help) you won't have much problem.

If you killed Wrex on Virmire I doubt Wrev will care about Humans at all and he doesn't know anything about Reapers. If Mordin creates Genophage cure he might help. Without it you will have big problems to get Krogan support relaying on Wreav but you might get option to make coup with Grunt if you done his loyalty and it will be a bit easier if you killed Thresher Maw and kept Genophage cure data. Both of that will be time consuming and you will most probably not seek Krogan help.



Worst thing that might happen is to NOT do Mordin loyalty. Weyrloc clan might get Genophage cure and they will have endless army to conquer Tuchanka. No help from them is for sure.



If you gave evidence Quarians will be in chaos and some might leave flotilla so relaying on them then is not advised, especially if they go to war with Geth. Best solution is to make Tali loyal and encourage Quarians make peace with Geth and Geth let them to take back their homeworld. Council my b*tch about it but since Quarians have biggest fleet in galaxy and Geth showed they are superior over Citadel navy, choice is pretty much easy. But it will take a lot of time for Quarians to settle down and give you support so quickest solution for getting help is war and you side with one of 2 sides and best decisions depends how you did both Tali's and Legion's loyalty. More on that later.



If you reprogram Geth Heretics, Geth main faction will be very strong. But if you do that many Geth will question you on why did you "forced" their opinion. If you don't have enough Paragon or Renegade points( or whatever persuasion system will ME3 use) to convince them you did rigth thing Geth won't trust you much but they will give you support against Old Machines. But then Geth-Quarian alliance won't be possible and you will have to choose which side of war will you choose or to convince Quarians not to go to war and settle somewhere else, but you won't have then Quarian support. Since you reprogrammed Geth Heretics it will be more advised to help Geth in war if you gave evidence to Admirals. If not it won't matter much.

If you destroyed Geth Heretics Geth won't question you since they were your enemy. But Geth won't have much forces then and even though Geth-Quarian alliance is very likely done, you can then invade them with Quarians if you didn't gave evidance to Admirals. You won't have any problem with Council but Quarians will still need to settle down before helping you with liberating Earth so time consuming.



If you did NOT do Legion loyalty then Geth Heretics unleashes Virus to reprogrammed all Geth to join Reapers which makes Reapers a lot stronger.



Keeping Collector base will make you to be in good stands with Cerberus and Illusive Man and some technology discovered there might be very useful. But it's still Reaper technology which is alone very dangerous and especially being in terrorist hands, not good idea. Also Council will not appreciate you still being with Cerberus, human lead or not. So you will have to choose between Citadel( strong and massive fleet and army) or Cerberus( very rich terrorist organization with most advance technology). If you don't choose Cerberus, Illusive Man will still help you but very limited since he can't give you direct help.

If you destroyed Collector base then Illusive Man is very pissed at you and he will give you only limited help.



If you let Dr. Archer to keep David then it will be great weapon against Geth Heretics that remained alive/not reprogrammed do to isolation and against main Geth if choose to help Quarians in war against Geth.

If you don't let him keep David then nothing from it but Illusive Man won't mind if you kept Collector base.




So, discuss about it.

Modifié par Mesina2, 28 décembre 2010 - 08:28 .


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If Bioware continues to make the council a bunch of morons for the sake of this plot, I just give up...

If Rachni could build a fleet capable of doing anything to the Reapers in only a couple year from a single queen, they never would have lost the war in the first place.

Krogan cant help with Reapers. We need ships, not ground troops.

Heretics are about 15% of the entire collective. Saving them or killing them wont change much about the strength of the geth fleet. **** morality checks. I dont want to see such crap ruining the game. They should not influence who helps you. That is such a bad system, I do not understand why it even still exists... Geth wont care much either way you choose. Legion himself was divided. And a sample size of 1000 is enough for a poll to be about +/- 5% accurate for a given population.

Quarians have alot of ships, but very little fleet. And I think they will likely try to invade the peaceful Geth rather than listen to anything you have to say. Alot of their useful ships will be molten slag.

Collector base... That is a whole nother thread...

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Heretics are about 5% of all Geth.

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^Eh.

Rachni were annihilated because Krogans which then didn't had Genophage and were supplied by Council.

Reaper can not win without smaller troops otherwise there will be plenty of survivors if they do it that way and in 50 000 years organics will be damn ready for them so Krogans will be great against those troops. Also Reaper lasers are huge, big chance of missing smaller targets.

Geth Heretic consisted 15% of programs not platforms. They mass produced platforms to aid Reapers while True Geth spend all their resources to make Dyson Sphere.

And no Quarians have huge fleet.

And are you sure about Overlord about that?

Modifié par Mesina2, 28 décembre 2010 - 07:49 .


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Actually Krogan could help with Collectors. Watch the Teaser Trailer. There are ground forces to fight.



Quarian fleet is aged and crap ships... cannon fodder. However the quarians themselves are master engineers. Maybe they'd be able to replicate the prothean gun that took out derelict reaper.



I have a feeling Anderson or Udina as councilor may all effect the outcome, or story line.




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^Reapers will destroy and ship in one shot no matter in what condition they are or how much their armor is strong.



All what matter is firepower and numbers.

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Kristofer1 wrote...

Actually Krogan could help with Collectors. Watch the Teaser Trailer. There are ground forces to fight.

Quarian fleet is aged and crap ships... cannon fodder. However the quarians themselves are master engineers. Maybe they'd be able to replicate the prothean gun that took out derelict reaper.

I have a feeling Anderson or Udina as councilor may all effect the outcome, or story line.

Screw ground forces. We got actual Reapers in orbit to fight first. Ground forces are nothing, they can be cleaned up by any species. Krogan are useless.

It was not Prothean. It was actually 37 million years old. It was also an orbital defense platform, not a ship, so would be hard to bring with you. It is also only a single gun. It will probably get one shot off before being destroyed.

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The Quarians have the largest fleet in the galaxy but

1. It's old as hell.

2. It's designed to protect against raids and pirates not open war.

3. It houses their entire population.

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Vaenier wrote...

Kristofer1 wrote...

Actually Krogan could help with Collectors. Watch the Teaser Trailer. There are ground forces to fight.

Quarian fleet is aged and crap ships... cannon fodder. However the quarians themselves are master engineers. Maybe they'd be able to replicate the prothean gun that took out derelict reaper.

I have a feeling Anderson or Udina as councilor may all effect the outcome, or story line.

Screw ground forces. We got actual Reapers in orbit to fight first. Ground forces are nothing, they can be cleaned up by any species. Krogan are useless.

It was not Prothean. It was actually 37 million years old. It was also an orbital defense platform, not a ship, so would be hard to bring with you. It is also only a single gun. It will probably get one shot off before being destroyed.


Really? Because Sovereign died because of Ground Forces.

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Bamboozalist wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Kristofer1 wrote...

Actually Krogan could help with Collectors. Watch the Teaser Trailer. There are ground forces to fight.

Quarian fleet is aged and crap ships... cannon fodder. However the quarians themselves are master engineers. Maybe they'd be able to replicate the prothean gun that took out derelict reaper.

I have a feeling Anderson or Udina as councilor may all effect the outcome, or story line.

Screw ground forces. We got actual Reapers in orbit to fight first. Ground forces are nothing, they can be cleaned up by any species. Krogan are useless.

It was not Prothean. It was actually 37 million years old. It was also an orbital defense platform, not a ship, so would be hard to bring with you. It is also only a single gun. It will probably get one shot off before being destroyed.


Really? Because Sovereign died because of Ground Forces.

Well, I cant argue with bad writing or misinturpreted series of events... Wait, yes I can!

You did nothing to stop him. He simply took enough hits to empty his shields. Nothing more than coincidence.

The idea of killing a remote controlled drone hurting the controller is just dumb...

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^OK you obviously don't understand both Mass Effect 1 and 2.

If ships were responsible with death of Sovereign then pretty much everyone is doomed no matter what you did and I pretty much doubt Bioware will punnish everyone who didn't kept Collector base, if anything comes out useful.

Oh and BTW if ME3 doesn't become RTS, I doubt we will beat Reapers by just using fleets.

Modifié par Mesina2, 28 décembre 2010 - 08:09 .


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Bamboozalist wrote...

The Quarians have the largest fleet in the galaxy but
1. It's old as hell.
2. It's designed to protect against raids and pirates not open war.
3. It houses their entire population.


Like I said, Geth-Quarian alliance or Quarians defeat Geth and civilian population is settled in homeworld.
And since only tactic against Reaper is shoot fast, don't miss and hope to not get destroyed I think it won't matter much they are old.

Modifié par Mesina2, 28 décembre 2010 - 08:07 .


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Saren wasnt a remote controlled drone, he was an avatar for Sovereign. destroying saren destablized Sovereign enough for the fleet to nuke him. the Reapers are attacking on all fronts, ground and space, so it wouldnt make sense to retaliate on only one, and the fact that they have husks and collectors and indoctrination and all that make it evident that the reapers put value on a ground force. you cant win a world war with just a navy or just an army.

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^Agreed but there are no more Collectors so we will have Husk soldiers. I hope.

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Mesina2 wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

The Quarians have the largest fleet in the galaxy but
1. It's old as hell.
2. It's designed to protect against raids and pirates not open war.
3. It houses their entire population.


Like I said, Geth-Quarian alliance or Quarians defeat Geth and civilian population is settled in homeworld.
And since only tactic against Reaper is shoot fast, don't miss and hope to not get destroyed I think it won't matter much they are old.


Mind you, this means that the quarians must defeat the geth before they assist against the reapers. Not to mention from Legion's description Rannoch is not very habitable at this point. When the quarians left it seemed to screw up the global ecosystem. 

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Googlesaurus wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

The Quarians have the largest fleet in the galaxy but
1. It's old as hell.
2. It's designed to protect against raids and pirates not open war.
3. It houses their entire population.


Like I said, Geth-Quarian alliance or Quarians defeat Geth and civilian population is settled in homeworld.
And since only tactic against Reaper is shoot fast, don't miss and hope to not get destroyed I think it won't matter much they are old.


Mind you, this means that the quarians must defeat the geth before they assist against the reapers. Not to mention from Legion's description Rannoch is not very habitable at this point. When the quarians left it seemed to screw up the global ecosystem. 


If you weaken Geth( destroying Geth Heretics, David in hands of Cerberus) then Quarians might not have too much trouble. Then again Quarians might find some other planet to inhabit.

Modifié par Mesina2, 28 décembre 2010 - 08:15 .


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Mesina2 wrote...

^Agreed but there are no more Collectors so we will have Husk soldiers. I hope.


Who knows what other troops the Reapers have from their 50 million years of harvesting other species. Surely they didn't just convert the Protheans.

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Mesina2 wrote...

If you weaken Geth( destroying Geth Heretics, David in hands of Cerberus) then Quarians might not have too much trouble. Then again Quarians might find some other planet to inhabit.


With the various factions within the quarian community, it's not that easy. If they're attacking the geth the quarians are aiming to take back Rannoch, and they will suffer heavy losses. 

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Googlesaurus wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

If you weaken Geth( destroying Geth Heretics, David in hands of Cerberus) then Quarians might not have too much trouble. Then again Quarians might find some other planet to inhabit.


With the various factions within the quarian community, it's not that easy. If they're attacking the geth the quarians are aiming to take back Rannoch, and they will suffer heavy losses. 


Well I never said it's a good idea.
I'm more( or should I say only) for Geth-Quarian alliance.

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Bamboozalist wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^Agreed but there are no more Collectors so we will have Husk soldiers. I hope.


Who knows what other troops the Reapers have from their 50 million years of harvesting other species. Surely they didn't just convert the Protheans.

Also, we have no proof that there arent thousands of other collector bases scattered throughout the galaxy. anyways, my point was that this wont be a "space only" fight, because the Reapers are bringing it to the ground, hence, the Krogan will be of use

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Vaenier wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Kristofer1 wrote...

Actually Krogan could help with Collectors. Watch the Teaser Trailer. There are ground forces to fight.

Quarian fleet is aged and crap ships... cannon fodder. However the quarians themselves are master engineers. Maybe they'd be able to replicate the prothean gun that took out derelict reaper.

I have a feeling Anderson or Udina as councilor may all effect the outcome, or story line.

Screw ground forces. We got actual Reapers in orbit to fight first. Ground forces are nothing, they can be cleaned up by any species. Krogan are useless.

It was not Prothean. It was actually 37 million years old. It was also an orbital defense platform, not a ship, so would be hard to bring with you. It is also only a single gun. It will probably get one shot off before being destroyed.


Really? Because Sovereign died because of Ground Forces.

Well, I cant argue with bad writing or misinturpreted series of events... Wait, yes I can!

You did nothing to stop him. He simply took enough hits to empty his shields. Nothing more than coincidence.

The idea of killing a remote controlled drone hurting the controller is just dumb...


Well consider this, he offloaded much of his mind to Saren destroying Saren therfore destroys/damages much of Sovreign's mind well i don't know about you but if  i all of a sudden lost most of my brain functions i doubt i could keep by bowels under controll much less my shields

Modifié par Archontor, 28 décembre 2010 - 08:37 .


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We don't know to what extent the destruction of the Avatar dealt a blow to Sovereign. I'm with Vaenier on this one, it was a dramatic coincidence.

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^Then how on Earth we will save Earth and Galaxy if ground forces had nothing in destruction of Sovereign?!

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Mesina2 wrote...

^Then how on Earth we will save Earth and Galaxy if ground forces had nothing in destruction of Sovereign?!

How exactly do you hope for ground forces to effect them? Assault rifles dont shoot into orbit...

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SandTrout wrote...

We don't know to what extent the destruction of the Avatar dealt a blow to Sovereign. I'm with Vaenier on this one, it was a dramatic coincidence.


There is dramatic coincidence and then there is Sovereign's shields dropping the second you killed Saren. If destroying the avatar doesn't effect the reapers then why would Harbinger even bother to release control over the Collector General right before it got destroyed? Why would he have a cool down on controlling collectors? Why wouldn't he just mass control every collector?