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[jojon2se]

People don't really change; certainly not in the dramatic way they tend to "develop" in fiction.

They can, however, (although more often than not; reluctantly) reevaluate some of their perceptions, which, filtered through their accumulated personality, decides their actions.

If Jack softens up somewhat in ME3, it should be because she feels like, contrary to of her every previous experience, she is in a friendly and unassuming environment and takes to that, where she might as well lash out in suspicion or contempt.



I'm not saying there is no outlook/personality feedback loop, but that's generally a slow thing, with many interdependant factors -- not the extreme (often almighty-player-character-induced) salvation/fall scenarios that games usually throw at us.

[hawat333]

I don't.

Her entire personality doesn't change over a short romance. In time maybe, but have a sudden change would be unlikely.

On the other hand if there's a long span between ME2 and 3 I could imagine your idea in more subtle tone.

[Nuala]

Jack got tortured as a kid. Just because she had a hug and a bit of a cry if you romanced her isn't going to change that. Realistically she'd still be angry and violent, probably playfully angry and violent in private. She was my favourite manshep romance option because I could still see her in all her badass-ery even after the suicide mission, enhanced by the fact she'd shown a vunerable side; that was more to show she trusted Shepard than showing she wanted to change.

I don't get why you'd want her make her more 'normal' after you romanced her anyway. If you don't want a space-station destroying badass, then go for someone else.



http://fc03.devianta...ali-d2zpwf3.jpg

^ Sums up pretty much what'd I think would be a 'softer' Jack.

[Mr Plow]

Elyvern wrote...

Jack's character progression should be reflected in ME3. Maybe short hair, and a tank top or something. But I resent the fact that only maleshep who romance her gets her to change. What a damn insult. She can only be moved by the Powah of Love? Give me a break, the girl doesn't need a romance to fix her life.

Isn't Shepard's wang the cure to all emotional problems? 

[Ryzaki]

Honestly no. If Jack became more chickiefied I'd gag. Plus my Sheps wouldn't see it because she was kicked off the ship anyway.

Edit: LOL @the last scene. Run Shep! Run!

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 décembre 2010 - 06:56 .

[theenigma77]

Nuala wrote...
http://fc03.devianta...ali-d2zpwf3.jpg

^ Sums up pretty much what'd I think would be a 'softer' Jack.

LOL! Really funny stuff. Thanks for all your opinions guys, nice to know people care about the subject matter so much. But I do agree with some of you.  I can see your points and so on but I really think that it would be a fun aspect is all. I mean if I were in her position I think after awhile I would start to act a bit more like my counter part you know? So if she were dating a paragon and she knew how much he cared about her and such I would imagine she would start to open up and get a little nicer. Thats all I'm saying.

[SlottsMachine]

GodWood wrote...
I personally however would rather she just stay bald just so she can continue to ****** off the people who hate it.

This

[Razorsedge820]

I do not see Bioware changing her character too drastically if you romanced her or not but I would at least like to be able to see the softer side of Jack behind closed doors like in Shepard's Cabin for those who romanced her.



In ME3 even if you did not romance her, depending on if you did her loyalty mission I think Jacks attitude towards Shepard will improve greatly.



Appearance wise I do not think she needs hair since it would only cover her gorgeous face, but I would like to see her in some type of armor without that ugly Visor.

[albafica]

Arken wrote

I would guess ME3 would probably be long enough after ME2 to expalin where our old squad went. Maybe a paragon romanced Jack would have short cropped hair, just cause she doesn't feel like shaving anymore.

                       
If u think ur old M1 squad will be playable your mistaken,Wrex=krogan leader cant join u,help u by unite the krogan vs the reapers for u.Liara=shadow broker=cant leave the ship,too much intels running live,inormation to keep safe,she will help u with information and weak spots against the reapers probably...i can only see her joining u ONLY if bioware make some kind of stupid excuse to join u by destroying the shadow broker ship...i dont want that she is nice where she is,garrus-tali yes,ash-gaylenko probably final mission on earth.So yes our OLD M2 squad will be back there is no reason to gather the perfect team for the reapers and see them vanished and repeat the same thing all over again cause if thats what it is then M3 will simply fail.

Modifié par albafica, 31 janvier 2011 - 05:25 .

[AdmiralCheez]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I personally however would rather she just stay bald just so she can continue to ****** off the people who hate it.

This

x over 9000.

[Badpie]

theenigma77 wrote...

So who else agrees it would be awesome if you did the paragon romance with Jack if in 3 she had short black hair and was all nice and wore a shirt and acted a little more girlfriendy. I really hope this happens.

I like Jack the way she is.

Would be nice if she found some inner peace though.  Don't see her as the "girlfriendy" type whatever that means.  Jack is Jack.  Take her or leave her.

[albafica]

 i think jack should become a little more friendly with the team "those who survived anw" but remain the bad ass girl she is outside the normandy,about the look well if bioware dont gonna make a new version of M2 excpet it will be renamed M3 then depends the time that passed between M2 and 3 lets say a year or something then yeah jack would like to stole some new cloths and let some hair pop up...

[volus4life]

theenigma77 wrote...

So who else agrees it would be awesome if you did the paragon romance with Jack if in 3 she had short black hair and was all nice and wore a shirt and acted a little more girlfriendy. I really hope this happens.

i srsly doubt her attitude or outfit would change much. but i could see her growing out her hair a little bit.

Modifié par volus4life, 31 janvier 2011 - 06:09 .

[Winterfly]

I would have seriously shot her face off long ago and replaced her with Samara.

[V-rex]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Loving someone isn't about wanting to change them; it's about accepting them for who they are. My Shepard likes Jack the way she is. If she wants to change herself in any way, my Shepard would support her because he loves her.

Exactly, my sister once said something to me similar when I was talking to her about her husband, she said:
"When you love someone you don't go around wishing they were different to how they are."
With that in mind, the romance should be about how Shepard grew to love Jack for who she is, warts and all. Not about how Shepard 'changed' her.
Jack's fine just the way she is, she's tough, she's badass, she's drop dead gorgeous and she's also got real feelings and emotion. Nothing about that needs to be improved, if Shepard wanted a 'girlfriendy' girlfriend then he could have gone for Tali. If he went for Jack then obviously he would be attracted to a less convientional relationship.
(As a side note, I've been reading 'Things worth Keeping' which was a Jack/Shepard fan fiction piece and even though Jack is still quite angry and standoffish towards Shepard, there is still a real emotional bond between them. Read it yourself you'll get what I mean.)

If anything, Shepard should be making adjustments for her. Or at least just as many adjustments as she'd make for him. But again, I don't want to see that happen, I think it's fine the way it is. There will be problems, conflicts, arguments, sparks (both figuratively and literally) but hey....



... why would anyone want that to change?:innocent:

So yes, my final view, Jack is fine the way she is. Doesn't need changing, Shepard shouldn't need  to change her either. As a side note, between "Ashley could be Hotter" and "Let's make Jack more like a conventional girlfriend in Mass Effect 3" I have got to wonder.... how come these questions and topics commenting on appearance and personality only ever center on the women of these games?
I don't ever see people demanding Kaidan be 'hotter' or that Garrus should be more 'boyfriendy' in Mass Effect 3. I don't want to sound sensationalist here but doesn't it kind of paint the image that the 'ideal gender roles' still exist in our society? Because we still demand the women look attractive and conform to our idea of what a 'girlfriend' should be like?
To be fair, I'm probably overthinking it, I'm not accusing anyone of actually proporting it to anyone. It's probably just a coincidence.

So yes, anyway Jack... in the words of Billy Joel:
"Don't go changing, to try and please me. You've never let me down before."

[hawat333]

"People don't really change; certainly not in the dramatic way they tend to "develop" in fiction."
I absolutely agree, still the argument is valid as ME is a fiction.

As for the hair? No. Some concept arts were promising as they were shown in an other thread, but I got used to the current one. (Can we even call it a _hair_cut? )
As for showing a softer side? Partially.
The same level of softieeeness she maintains in ME2 (,which is uncovered during her romance, with less-less-less-less tears attached,) is just fine, or some occasional derails from the meany mean track, but I wouldn't really like to see an all-soft Jack. That's just not her. One can overcome her past, but cannot discard it.

Modifié par hawat333, 31 janvier 2011 - 09:45 .

[Manic Sheep]

theenigma77 wrote...

So who else agrees it would be awesome if you did the paragon romance with Jack if in 3 she had short black hair and was all nice and wore a shirt and acted a little more girlfriendy. I really hope this happens.

So in other words you want to have a romance with Jack as long as she dosn't look or act like Jack

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Women can look hot bald. Jack pulls it off, I would say that she has the most gorgeous face in the game. Not even a modded femshep could hope to look as good as Jack. Her eyes, cheeks, facial structure all looks amazing.

Growing hair would out of place and wouldn't suit her character. She is a kick ass LI, if you don't like tough and rough style, then there are other options. And like someone else said, you shouldn't try to change her.

About the T-shirt, if you really don't like her tattooes (personally, I think they really show her past and personality, so I love them) then just wear the loyalty outfit or alternative appearance one.

[GuardianAngel470]

Why are we discussing this? As of the end of ME2, Jack has already changed about as much as anyone should want. Especially if you choose one of the Renegade dialog options after her loyalty mission it is obvious she views the world differently and that she is in fact changing.



Less victim more badass. Honestly, that's about as much as I'd want her to change.



Some hair for those who can't pick up the subtleties would help though. I don't care, but hair is a visible sign of change.

[GuardianAngel470]

V-rex wrote...

So yes, my final view, Jack is fine the way she is. Doesn't need changing, Shepard shouldn't need  to change her either. As a side note, between "Ashley could be Hotter" and "Let's make Jack more like a conventional girlfriend in Mass Effect 3" I have got to wonder.... how come these questions and topics commenting on appearance and personality only ever center on the women of these games?
I don't ever see people demanding Kaidan be 'hotter' or that Garrus should be more 'boyfriendy' in Mass Effect 3. I don't want to sound sensationalist here but doesn't it kind of paint the image that the 'ideal gender roles' still exist in our society? Because we still demand the women look attractive and conform to our idea of what a 'girlfriend' should be like?
To be fair, I'm probably overthinking it, I'm not accusing anyone of actually proporting it to anyone. It's probably just a coincidence.

So yes, anyway Jack... in the words of Billy Joel:
"Don't go changing, to try and please me. You've never let me down before."

No, not at all. Because both the Kaiden Crowd and the Garrus crowd are asking for those very things. They do want more boyfriend type exchanges.

As for the OP, terrible idea, at least most of it. That would be basically a character retcon, completely rewriting all the character development and psychology that Jack has up to this point. Yeah people change, but not that much. Some scars never heal fully and some character traits are eternal. Just because one man comes along shows her that there is good in the universe doesn't mean that she'll rewrite every aspect of her character.

[V-rex]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

No, not at all. Because both the Kaiden Crowd and the Garrus crowd are asking for those very things. They do want more boyfriend type exchanges.

Ah okay, I guess that's why I said that I was probably overreacting to it. But then again, I've never seen a public thread dedicated to solely making Garrus a more suitable boyfriend. Mostly I would assume that sort of stuff is only seen in the Garrus thread.
But again, probably an overstatement on my part.

[Flamewielder]

At OP: No.

[lawp79]

theenigma77 wrote...

So who else agrees it would be awesome if you did the paragon romance with Jack if in 3 she had short black hair and was all nice and wore a shirt and acted a little more girlfriendy. I really hope this happens.

Sooo you want a relationship with Jack, who isn't actually Jack?!

[Winterfly]

Nice facial structure or not. Still would consider to not take her on the ship. She is of no importance at all, Samara and Miranda can do her job and they are stable about ten times more then Jack. They won't rip your ship in pieces.

[JustValiant]

How about a tank top with "I eat cheerleaders for breakfast!"? 

But a little more centered and calmed attitude would be appropriate indeed.