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[FlintlockJazz]

Woodstock2004 wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Belevorn wrote...

No no, Leliana is the french one, Zevhran is just... weird. Btw, I'm still curious about what inspired Mr. Gaider to think about Ferelden... if Orlais is France (names and culture resembles a lot to renacentist France), and Nevarra is kind-of inspired in Spain... (we even have a province called Navarra) What inspired Ferelden? Germany, could be? :/

Feudal England, hell they even included the anti-French attitude with Loghain and the occupation parallels the Norman conquest in some ways.

Scotland, not England. They all have Scottish names; Duncan, Alistair, Loghain and the ones mentioned in the Codex too, Cormac etc.

Probably a mix, I do think it's more saxon though, Cailan and Maric for instance.  Plus Duncan isn't a native Ferelden but comes from all over the place.


Plus Arl=Earl, Eamonn is a saxon name.  Think they took the general bits like Orlais = French but apparently at a more advanced period (appears to be set after Napolean), and the Tevinter Empire being the Roman Empire but still existing as a power in the middle ages, or possible based on Constantinople (the eastern half of the Roman Empire that survived into the middle ages).

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 13 novembre 2009 - 10:41 .

[CraigCWB]

"Scotland, not England. They all have Scottish names; Duncan, Alistair, Loghain and the ones mentioned in the Codex too, Cormac etc."



What about "Cousland"?



Anyway I agree the names seem to have a Gaelic flavor, but the back story in the Codex sounds more like Roman Empire(Orlais) and Gaul (Elves) plus Germania(Ferelden).

[Woodstock2004]

CraigCWB wrote...
What about "Cousland"?
.

http://www.cousland.net/

It's a town in Scotland.

"Eamonn is a saxon name." "Probably a mix, I do think it's more saxon though, Cailan and Maric for instance."

Eamonn's very  Irish.  Cailan is Scottish. Maric sounds more French.

Modifié par Woodstock2004, 13 novembre 2009 - 10:52 .

[Deckot]

Draelorn wrote...

Ok, what I should have said here is that the writers took on some universal subject matter, but were kinda lazy but making it so easilly correspond to modern day. A writer's job is one of creativity, not to transcribe events as we know them with different cultures and races...I just think it's lazy writing.

How is it lazy writting?  Some of the most influential literature available to us today was based on real world parallels, directly critisizing aspects of society/humanity that the author deemed was flawed.

Lets just say that there are subjects/concepts in the game based on present day social/racial issues.  The fact that the writers have the guts to make those parallels is not insulting.  I welcome critical thinking like that.  It is a breath of fresh air for me, since our society has become so sensitive to any sort of racial tension that we can't even discuss it anymore.  Intolerance only makes matters like this worse in my opinion.

[Deckot]

Raikov_17 wrote...

Draelorn wrote...

Ok, what I should have said here is that the writers took on some universal subject matter, but were kinda lazy but making it so easilly correspond to modern day. A writer's job is one of creativity, not to transcribe events as we know them with different cultures and races...I just think it's lazy writing.

............or maybe your just over thinking this way to much its a simple videogame yet your overwhelming need to appear intelligent forced you to connect dots that have nothing to do with each other.

Or maybe he isn't.  The original Gullivar's Travels was viewed as just a kids story and nothing more.  Then when the public realized how critical it was on society and humanity as a whole, they became out raged.  Very critical concepts can be masked very easily.

[Danzara_666]

Whee! I'm riding a trollercoaster!

[Verraxe]

Asparagon wrote...

- Archangel - wrote...

Why do I suspect this is a troll...

America is what 500 years old...if you go all the way back to it's discovery?

How many thousands of years old is slavery and subjugation?

Umm the United States was made a country in 1776, by my math thats less then 250 years, 233 to be exact.  I'm curious as to where you got the 500 from.

I believe they are referring to the "discovery" of the "New World", which was in 1492 A little over 500 years ago.

"America" in this instance referring to the name of the land "discovered" rather than the United States of America. Thanks Amerigo...

[Inglorion]

The OP is a very ignorant and presumptuous statement.

[FlintlockJazz]

Actually, refering to what each nation resembles, lets take a look at the overall world. I think it's obvious that since it gets colder the further south you go then Thedas must be set in the southern hemisphere of the world, so everything seems to be 'upside down'. Ferelden seems to mix Saxon and Gaelic qualities, with the mabari wardog appearing to me like a pisstake on the british bulldog. The Chasind could be argued to be Scottish due to the way Fereldens seem to interact with them, but they also seem to take on other cultures as well, Orlais is 'King Louie' France, and Tevinter is a mix of every ancient empire in most fantasies, combing Rome with Persia.

[CraigCWB]

"It's a town in Scotland."



Doesn't change the fact its an Anglo-Saxon name



And what self-respecting Scot lets the English name their towns for them anyway?



"Eamonn's very Irish"



No, sorry it isn't. It's an Anglo-Saxon name. Same origin as "Edmund".



We can go on like this all day if you like

[Owen778]

CraigCWB wrote...

"Scotland, not England. They all have Scottish names; Duncan, Alistair, Loghain and the ones mentioned in the Codex too, Cormac etc."

What about "Cousland"?

Anyway I agree the names seem to have a Gaelic flavor, but the back story in the Codex sounds more like Roman Empire(Orlais) and Gaul (Elves) plus Germania(Ferelden).

Now it's been pointed out, I agree the intention of the original design was probably for Ferelden to be reminiscent of Scotland, including the violent politics of the clans, something that was partly lost when English accents were used by voice actors playing most of the Ferelden nobles. For those in the UK, there's an interesting series available on BBC iPlayer at the moment about clan histories.

[FlintlockJazz]

Woodstock2004 wrote...

CraigCWB wrote...
What about "Cousland"?
.

http://www.cousland.net/

It's a town in Scotland.

"Eamonn is a saxon name." "Probably a mix, I do think it's more saxon though, Cailan and Maric for instance."

Eamonn's very  Irish.  Cailan is Scottish. Maric sounds more French.

Eamon is a Saxon name, look it up.  They have taken names pretty much from anywhere as long as it sounds like they'll fight, and fantasied them up a bit.  Doesn't really matter though, they were trying to create their own world that merely paralled ours, not take things wholesale and give 'em different names anyway.

[Verraxe]

Ironically enough, the majority of the people in the U.K. are of celtic descent, not saxon

[Memengwa]

BioWare never spoke of Ferelden being built on Scottland.



There are always going to be things that will remind you of real world, and of other fantasy worlds.

Don't dig in too deep in that.



And speaking of the situation. This is a dark fantasy game. As such it should be including difficult social aspects, otherwise there wouldn't be anything dark about it (except for the blight and the gore).

[CraigCWB]

"Ironically enough, the majority of the people in the U.K. are of celtic descent, not saxon :)"



Maybe it's time for the English to click the "undo" button on all that exiling they used to be doing! There are more Anglo-Saxons in the US alone than Britain's entire population!

[WildstarGoethe]

Draelorn wrote...

Please Bioware.  I thought this was a mature game.  After the convo in the Daelish camp I feel I've been schooled.  I don't think you rally have to do this.  I really hope your writers don't think so low of your fans.

Give me a break.

The USA is a very young nation in the big picture of history. Has the US government done some horrible things to other people? Of course. But every nation has done horrible things to other people throughout history. If you take oppressive plotlines from movies, books and videogames and automatically assume they refer to the history of the US, you need to study history more. Don't be so naive.

The US is not the only nation in the world. And it's certainly not the only nation to do bad things to others.

[poofpoof]

The elves are clearly Jews, only without money and politcal influence

[WillyPete2171]

Draelorn wrote...

Please Bioware.  I thought this was a mature game.  After the convo in the Daelish camp I feel I've been schooled.  I don't think you rally have to do this.  I really hope your writers don't think so low of your fans.

another idiot troller...

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Slavery has been a widespread practise since the Roman Empire (and even before that) yet somehow it is all about America.



Why don't you put away that gaudy flag and open up a history book, you arrogant little ******.

[CraigCWB]

"The elves are clearly Jews, only without money and politcal influence"



Oh, now we gotta bring the Jews into it eh!? Well, I wasn't going to mention the fact that the Codex mentions that the Ferelden produced the great prophet! So who are the Jews now!?



I still think it's just a complete mix-and-match with no similarities to early history beyond the superficial.

[Eidolonn]

Milre wrote...

Draelorn wrote...

Milre wrote...

Please tell us exactly what you are getting at here?

Is there something wrong with drawing social parallels with the real world?

Not at all, and I agree with the conclusons they want me to get out of it...but I understood it 20 years ago, so its annoying.  This is what you teach children.

So are most fantasy storylines. Most of them are either about how power corrupts or about discrimination.

And in the case of Dragon Age, it's a story about how no matter what the past disgressions and disagreements, people can rise up and join together and fight the common evil.

Please, the OP is quite disillusioned.

[poofpoof]

CraigCWB wrote...

"The elves are clearly Jews, only without money and politcal influence"

Oh, now we gotta bring the Jews into it eh!? Well, I wasn't going to mention the fact that the Codex mentions that the Ferelden produced the great prophet! So who are the Jews now!?

well the elves went on a long march to their promised land

[Owen778]

Verraxe wrote...

Ironically enough, the majority of the people in the U.K. are of celtic descent, not saxon

Well yes, that is true, though most will have some non-"Celtic" blood too. it's widely understood nowadays though that waves of migration, like that of the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, have a relatively small genetic impact, even if they completely replace the local culture. Yet it's culture that defines national identity, not genetics.

[PK1408]

Draelorn wrote...

Ok, what I should have said here is that the writers took on some universal subject matter, but were kinda lazy but making it so easilly correspond to modern day. A writer's job is one of creativity, not to transcribe events as we know them with different cultures and races...I just think it's lazy writing.

There are no true stories everythign is ultimately a rehash of what has come before.

Also don't be so ego centric as to believe Amercians are the one who invented persecution, whats about the dutch, russians, english, austrialian/english etc etc etc

d*ck!