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[Bamboozalist]

The Smoking Man wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

If the Reapers have control of the Citadel Relay Network ME3 is going to be a very short or LONG game since with our current FTL travel it would still take a long ass time to get anywhere relevant.

Likely the Reapers wouldn't shut down the relays, they'd just lock them so that they only respond to Reaper IFF signals. And if that's the case, Shepard did just happen to get a hold of one of those things...

They could easily change that signal though. We change our IFFs all the time in real life and since they used it to track your ship and Shepard got through the Omega 4 relay the Reapers already know that you have their IFF. So if they don't bother changing it, well they're gigantic idiots.

[The Smoking Man]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

It's a good guess, that ME3 will involve Shepard travelling to the Citadel, interacting with the Council, Udina, Anderson, Bailey (the latter two have families on Earth -- oh, yes, "emotional engagement"...), etc. when "the Earth is burning" already.

Suppose that is true.
But then we need an explanation why they're ignoring the Citadel. My guess is, when the Reapers show up at the Citadel, the Turian councillor will say "Ah yes, 'Reapers'! [...] We have dismissed that claim." And then the Reapers will disappear and go into a corner and cry. It will be beautiful.

[Zulu_DFA]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Or Vigil was simply BSing you.

Like the Rachni queen. Like Elnora. Like Anderson. Like TIM. Like the Shadow Broker. Like Morinth. Like Donovan Hock. Like Admiral Hackett. Like Lizbeth Baynham. Like Tela Vasir. Like pretty much everyone who wants to BS you.

Why would Vigil BS you? I understand why you think like the Rachni Queen would, I don't agree with it, but I fully understand it and would not be suprises in the least if you're right. But Vigil was a VI specifically designed to pass that on. Would the Protheans really be that big of dicks that they would program a VI just to screw with the person who found it?

Why wouldn't they? I mean, seeing what happend to them.

why would they? what logical reason makes you think that the huddled up protheans on ilos would be like "heheheh lets really get the guys that come next!"

All Vigil's tale was a lie. There were not "huddled up Protheans on Ilos". There were "indoctrinated/huskified Protheans just like anywhere else".

This would be an awsome twist.
But then why would vigil instruct shepard to make the Reapers coming a lot harder?

Because it didn't.

I think, that the "datafile" may have been some sort of a "troyan horse" virus. Or just a "key to the Citadel", which Sovereign was seeking in the first place, to access the Citadel. But both Citadel being the gateway from the Dark space and Sovereign's being the sentinel of the entire Reaper race were lies, and Sovereign wasn't Harbinger's buddy, and was out for something of its own. So Harbinger that was in control of Vigil all the time, would use Shepard to foil Sovereign's plan, whatever it was.

[Nibroc17]

That's a lot of assumptions. The galaxy is a massive place and their are only so many Reaper's. The reason they take so long to wipe out life in the galaxy is because they are thorough and they wipe out any existence of what happed to past civilizations.

[StarGateGod]

The Smoking Man wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

It's a good guess, that ME3 will involve Shepard travelling to the Citadel, interacting with the Council, Udina, Anderson, Bailey (the latter two have families on Earth -- oh, yes, "emotional engagement"...), etc. when "the Earth is burning" already.

Suppose that is true.
But then we need an explanation why they're ignoring the Citadel. My guess is, when the Reapers show up at the Citadel, the Turian councillor will say "Ah yes, 'Reapers'! [...] We have dismissed that claim." And then the Reapers will disappear and go into a corner and cry. It will be beautiful.

"The council can not become involved in a matter that is entirely human"- the councils responce to Earth being attacked.
Or
"Ah yes Earth the supposed place of the reaper attack that claim has been dismissed"- turian councillor

[Bamboozalist]

The Smoking Man wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

It's a good guess, that ME3 will involve Shepard travelling to the Citadel, interacting with the Council, Udina, Anderson, Bailey (the latter two have families on Earth -- oh, yes, "emotional engagement"...), etc. when "the Earth is burning" already.

Suppose that is true.
But then we need an explanation why they're ignoring the Citadel. My guess is, when the Reapers show up at the Citadel, the Turian councillor will say "Ah yes, 'Reapers'! [...] We have dismissed that claim." And then the Reapers will disappear and go into a corner and cry. It will be beautiful.

So the Turian Councilor works on either troll logic or super robot logic? I guess it has to be troll logic though since the Turian Councilor doesn't seem like he has the power of COURAGE and GUTS, doesn't have a huge axe/hammer/drill/sword/other melee weapon, isn't a gigantic mecha, and wasn't created by Go Nagai...however he can kick reason to the curb so who knows he maybe powered by super robot logic.

[Commander Kurt]

They are the reigning champions, so some smack is certainly called for. And I guess I just don't agree with you, they succeed with their objective. Every time. That makes them pretty good at their job in my book. Even if they do fail this time (I'm not putting my money on them), they still had billions of years of a perfect record to flaunt.

[sympathy4saren]

Ah yes, "Reapers". An immortal race of sentient starships, allegedly waiting in dark space.



I thought we dismissed that claim.

[Bamboozalist]

Nibroc17 wrote...

That's a lot of assumptions. The galaxy is a massive place and their are only so many Reaper's. The reason they take so long to wipe out life in the galaxy is because they are thorough and they wipe out any existence of what happed to past civilizations.

They can wipe out the civilizations and then once they're sure that there is nothing left to mount a rebellion/bite them in the butt they can start their purge of all evidence relating to their existance, speaking of which, why the hell would they just leave a Reaper floating in space for someone to find if they're so meticulous about it? For a species that seems to take their time removing evidence they sure left a lot of stuff behind from the Protheans. Which is exactly my point.

The Reapers are pretty much an entire race of "implied powers" we get to hear about how great they are but everything we see and everything Vigil said shows that they're pretty sloppy and, while they maybe consistant at their job, they seem to do it rather poorly despite their ruthless efficiency. The only real reason for it is gameplay balance which is fine.

[Bamboozalist]

Commander Kurt wrote...

They are the reigning champions, so some smack is certainly called for. And I guess I just don't agree with you, they succeed with their objective. Every time. That makes them pretty good at their job in my book. Even if they do fail this time (I'm not putting my money on them), they still had billions of years of a perfect record to flaunt.

I'm not saying that they can't do it, just that they suck at it, you can put up a house and still suck at building homes.

The Reapers apparently get rid of any evidence that they exist when they finish the harvest? How the hell did they miss all the crap that we used to get all our information about them? I mean they wait for 50,000 years between harvests it's not like they're rushing to finish up and don't have time to look back through their data archives and remember they just left a deactivated reaper lying around. I mean surely it would take them maybe a quick ctrl+f to find that crap? So yeah they have a perfect record but it seems that the only reason they have it is because they set up things just right so that they could do everything and without the Citadel that all pretty much goes out the window.

[Zulu_DFA]

thurmanator692 wrote...

a reaper civil war?
*strokes beard* perhaps the best way to destroy our enemy is to turn them on eachother?
didnt Sovereign and Saren say something that aluded to what Vigil said being true though?

Saren had exactly one line that sounded like he also believed the Citadel was a gate that flushes a darkspaceful of Reapers into the Galaxy. Sovereign, however, wasn't forthcoming about its motives at all. Other than "This station is mine!" assertion. Check out the recent theory thread about the Citadel, where the OP speculates that it's in fact an ark ship.

OK, a quick Reapers' origin theory:

There was an antient hyperadvanced civilization. But it was divided into two parties: the first wanted to remain organic, and the second wanted to become cybernetic. The first party built the Citadel (an ark ship), the second party built the Omega (a Reaper factory), and turned themsleves into Reapers. Then the second party (now, the Reapers) wiped out the first party. Or the first party somehow turned into the "beings of light". For some reason the Reapers can't destroy the Citadel (perhaps that reason is that they need it to keep the "beings of light" passive or something).

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 29 décembre 2010 - 08:13 .

[Bamboozalist]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

a reaper civil war?
*strokes beard* perhaps the best way to destroy our enemy is to turn them on eachother?
didnt Sovereign and Saren say something that aluded to what Vigil said being true though?

Saren has exactly one prase that looks like he also believes the Citadel is a gate flushes th darkspace ful of Reapers into the Galaxy. Sovereign, however, wasn't forthcoming about its motives at all. Other than "This station is mine!" assertion. Check out the recent theory thread about the Citadel, where the OP speculates that it's in fact an ark ship.

OK, a quick Reapers' origin theory:

There was an antient hyperadvanced civilization. But it was divided into two parties: the first wanted to remain organic, and the second wanted to become cybernetic. The first party built the Citadel (an ark ship), the second party built the Omega (a Reaper factory), and turned themsleves into Reapers. Then the second party (now, the Reapers) wiped out the first party. Or the first party somehow turned into the "beings of light". For some reason the Reapers can't destroy the Citadel (perhaps that reason is that they need it to keep the "beings of light" passive or something).

But Omega was built post Protheans...so the Reapers have been harvesting the galaxy for 50,000,000 years and fighting a civil war AND the Reapers managed to indoctrinate a bunch of miners to build Omega for them?

Edit: Or do you mean the Collector Base on the otherside of the Omega 4 relay? Because that's post Reapers too, since it's built with the same Hybrid Reaper-Collector Tech which is distinctly different from what Pure-Reaper tech looks like.

Modifié par Bamboozalist, 29 décembre 2010 - 08:16 .

[The Smoking Man]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

a reaper civil war?
*strokes beard* perhaps the best way to destroy our enemy is to turn them on eachother?
didnt Sovereign and Saren say something that aluded to what Vigil said being true though?

Saren has exactly one prase that looks like he also believes the Citadel is a gate flushes th darkspace ful of Reapers into the Galaxy. Sovereign, however, wasn't forthcoming about its motives at all. Other than "This station is mine!" assertion. Check out the recent theory thread about the Citadel, where the OP speculates that it's in fact an ark ship.

OK, a quick Reapers' origin theory:

There was an antient hyperadvanced civilization. But it was divided into two parties: the first wanted to remain organic, and the second wanted to become cybernetic. The first party built the Citadel (an ark ship), the second party built the Omega (a Reaper factory), and turned themsleves into Reapers. Then the second party (now, the Reapers) wiped out the first party. Or the first party somehow turned into the "beings of light". For some reason the Reapers can't destroy the Citadel (perhaps that reason is that they need it to keep the "beings of light" passive or something).

But Omega was built post Protheans...so the Reapers have been harvesting the galaxy for 50,000,000 years and fighting a civil war AND the Reapers managed to indoctrinate a bunch of miners to build Omega for them?

I think he means what is now referred to as the Collector Base. Omega didn't exist until after the Protheans got owned.

[Bamboozalist]

The Smoking Man wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

But Omega was built post Protheans...so the Reapers have been harvesting the galaxy for 50,000,000 years and fighting a civil war AND the Reapers managed to indoctrinate a bunch of miners to build Omega for them?

I think he means what is now referred to as the Collector Base. Omega didn't exist until after the Protheans got owned.

see my edit: That's made with the same honeycomb insectiod collector look as the collectors that doesn't look like pure Reaper tech.

Modifié par Bamboozalist, 29 décembre 2010 - 08:20 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

a reaper civil war?
*strokes beard* perhaps the best way to destroy our enemy is to turn them on eachother?
didnt Sovereign and Saren say something that aluded to what Vigil said being true though?

Saren has exactly one prase that looks like he also believes the Citadel is a gate flushes th darkspace ful of Reapers into the Galaxy. Sovereign, however, wasn't forthcoming about its motives at all. Other than "This station is mine!" assertion. Check out the recent theory thread about the Citadel, where the OP speculates that it's in fact an ark ship.

OK, a quick Reapers' origin theory:

There was an antient hyperadvanced civilization. But it was divided into two parties: the first wanted to remain organic, and the second wanted to become cybernetic. The first party built the Citadel (an ark ship), the second party built the Omega (a Reaper factory), and turned themsleves into Reapers. Then the second party (now, the Reapers) wiped out the first party. Or the first party somehow turned into the "beings of light". For some reason the Reapers can't destroy the Citadel (perhaps that reason is that they need it to keep the "beings of light" passive or something).

But Omega was built post Protheans...so the Reapers have been harvesting the galaxy for 50,000,000 years and fighting a civil war AND the Reapers managed to indoctrinate a bunch of miners to build Omega for them?

Edit: Or do you mean the Collector Base on the otherside of the Omega 4 relay? Because that's post Reapers too, since it's built with the same Hybrid Reaper-Collector Tech which is distinctly different from what Pure-Reaper tech looks like.

No, I meant exactly what I said (Or was it the other way around? Nevermind). There is no definitive bearing towards Omega's age. It's not like Aria, or Patriarch ever bothered with science. But there is a strong implication that the Omega is the Citadel's "dark twin".

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 29 décembre 2010 - 08:48 .

[Bamboozalist]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

a reaper civil war?
*strokes beard* perhaps the best way to destroy our enemy is to turn them on eachother?
didnt Sovereign and Saren say something that aluded to what Vigil said being true though?

Saren has exactly one prase that looks like he also believes the Citadel is a gate flushes th darkspace ful of Reapers into the Galaxy. Sovereign, however, wasn't forthcoming about its motives at all. Other than "This station is mine!" assertion. Check out the recent theory thread about the Citadel, where the OP speculates that it's in fact an ark ship.

OK, a quick Reapers' origin theory:

There was an antient hyperadvanced civilization. But it was divided into two parties: the first wanted to remain organic, and the second wanted to become cybernetic. The first party built the Citadel (an ark ship), the second party built the Omega (a Reaper factory), and turned themsleves into Reapers. Then the second party (now, the Reapers) wiped out the first party. Or the first party somehow turned into the "beings of light". For some reason the Reapers can't destroy the Citadel (perhaps that reason is that they need it to keep the "beings of light" passive or something).

But Omega was built post Protheans...so the Reapers have been harvesting the galaxy for 50,000,000 years and fighting a civil war AND the Reapers managed to indoctrinate a bunch of miners to build Omega for them?

Edit: Or do you mean the Collector Base on the otherside of the Omega 4 relay? Because that's post Reapers too, since it's built with the same Hybrid Reaper-Collector Tech which is distinctly different from what Pure-Reaper tech looks like.

No, I meant exactly what I said (Or was it the other way around? Nevermind). There is no definitive bearing toward's Omega's age. It's not like Aria, or Patriarch ever bother with science. But there is a strong implication that the Omega is the Citadel's "dark twin".

Except there is. It was made AFTER the Protheans, when an asteroid hit Omega (The Asteroid Omega) and split it and then a crap ton of miners came to it and started mining the newly avalible resources and built the station.

[Nibroc17]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Nibroc17 wrote...

That's a lot of assumptions. The galaxy is a massive place and their are only so many Reaper's. The reason they take so long to wipe out life in the galaxy is because they are thorough and they wipe out any existence of what happed to past civilizations.

They can wipe out the civilizations and then once they're sure that there is nothing left to mount a rebellion/bite them in the butt they can start their purge of all evidence relating to their existance, speaking of which, why the hell would they just leave a Reaper floating in space for someone to find if they're so meticulous about it? For a species that seems to take their time removing evidence they sure left a lot of stuff behind from the Protheans. Which is exactly my point.

The Reapers are pretty much an entire race of "implied powers" we get to hear about how great they are but everything we see and everything Vigil said shows that they're pretty sloppy and, while they maybe consistant at their job, they seem to do it rather poorly despite their ruthless efficiency. The only real reason for it is gameplay balance which is fine.

Ya and because its a game and we play Shepard. It's like what Obi-wan said about how the blaster marks on the Jawa sand crawler were to accurate so it had to have been Storm Trooper's, and then ROtJ happens and they get beat by a bunch of teddy bears.  
Its the nature of the beast.

[Bamboozalist]

Nibroc17 wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Nibroc17 wrote...

That's a lot of assumptions. The galaxy is a massive place and their are only so many Reaper's. The reason they take so long to wipe out life in the galaxy is because they are thorough and they wipe out any existence of what happed to past civilizations.

They can wipe out the civilizations and then once they're sure that there is nothing left to mount a rebellion/bite them in the butt they can start their purge of all evidence relating to their existance, speaking of which, why the hell would they just leave a Reaper floating in space for someone to find if they're so meticulous about it? For a species that seems to take their time removing evidence they sure left a lot of stuff behind from the Protheans. Which is exactly my point.

The Reapers are pretty much an entire race of "implied powers" we get to hear about how great they are but everything we see and everything Vigil said shows that they're pretty sloppy and, while they maybe consistant at their job, they seem to do it rather poorly despite their ruthless efficiency. The only real reason for it is gameplay balance which is fine.

Ya and because its a game and we play Shepard. It's like what Obi-wan said about how the blaster marks on the Jawa sand crawler were to accurate so it had to have been Storm Trooper's, and then ROtJ happens and they get beat by a bunch of teddy bears.  
Its the nature of the beast.

Right. This entire thread is basically a response to all the "Omg the Reapers are here, we're completely screwed" I've been seeing. I'm simply pointing out for supreme beings they're well...lacking. They can still do their job, just not very well.

[Zulu_DFA]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

a reaper civil war?
*strokes beard* perhaps the best way to destroy our enemy is to turn them on eachother?
didnt Sovereign and Saren say something that aluded to what Vigil said being true though?

Saren has exactly one prase that looks like he also believes the Citadel is a gate flushes th darkspace ful of Reapers into the Galaxy. Sovereign, however, wasn't forthcoming about its motives at all. Other than "This station is mine!" assertion. Check out the recent theory thread about the Citadel, where the OP speculates that it's in fact an ark ship.

OK, a quick Reapers' origin theory:

There was an antient hyperadvanced civilization. But it was divided into two parties: the first wanted to remain organic, and the second wanted to become cybernetic. The first party built the Citadel (an ark ship), the second party built the Omega (a Reaper factory), and turned themsleves into Reapers. Then the second party (now, the Reapers) wiped out the first party. Or the first party somehow turned into the "beings of light". For some reason the Reapers can't destroy the Citadel (perhaps that reason is that they need it to keep the "beings of light" passive or something).

But Omega was built post Protheans...so the Reapers have been harvesting the galaxy for 50,000,000 years and fighting a civil war AND the Reapers managed to indoctrinate a bunch of miners to build Omega for them?

Edit: Or do you mean the Collector Base on the otherside of the Omega 4 relay? Because that's post Reapers too, since it's built with the same Hybrid Reaper-Collector Tech which is distinctly different from what Pure-Reaper tech looks like.

No, I meant exactly what I said (Or was it the other way around? Nevermind). There is no definitive bearing towards Omega's age. It's not like Aria, or Patriarch ever bothered with science. But there is a strong implication that the Omega is the Citadel's "dark twin".

Except there is. It was made AFTER the Protheans, when an asteroid hit Omega (The Asteroid Omega) and split it and then a crap ton of miners came to it and started mining the newly avalible resources and built the station.

If you say so. Or if the Codex says so. And the Codex is never incorrect.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 29 décembre 2010 - 08:49 .

[CroGamer002]

Considering that Krogans can only have 1 alive child per 1000 births and they are still killing each other on Tuchanka or left it to kill each other and other species because of their nature.

I'm pretty sure they are dying race.

[CroGamer002]

thurmanator692 wrote...

a reaper civil war?
*strokes beard* perhaps the best way to destroy our enemy is to turn them on eachother?
didnt Sovereign and Saren say something that aluded to what Vigil said being true though?

*strokes mustache*

Great idea but how to implicate that with Reapers?

[The Smoking Man]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

If you say so. Or if the Codex says so. And the Codex is never incorrect.

If it did predate the Prothean extinction, you'd think that that significant detail would be well known. They might falsely attribute it to the Protheans rather than whatever species that came way before them that built it, as was the case with the Citadel, but they'd know that it wasn't built by any member of the current galactic civilization.

Modifié par The Smoking Man, 29 décembre 2010 - 08:55 .

[Bamboozalist]

Mesina2 wrote...

Considering that Krogans can only have 1 alive child per 1000 births and they are still killing each other on Tuchanka or left it to kill each other and other species because of their nature.
I'm pretty sure they are dying race.

Mordin says it's designed to keep the population stable. In Krogan perspective they are dying because they're at only a fraction of their previous size but 2.1 billion is a pretty big stable population.