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[Zulu_DFA]

The Smoking Man wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

If you say so. Or if the Codex says so. And the Codex is never incorrect.

If it did predate the Prothean extinction, you'd think that that significant detail would be well known. They might falsely attribute it to the Protheans rather than whatever species that came way before them that built it, as was the case with the Citadel, but they'd know that it wasn't built by any member of the current galactic civilization.

So who built it? Batarians? Rachni? Turians?

And when? Until about 3K years ago there weren't sufficiently advanced races to discover the Citadel. Yet it is strongly implied that the Omega's age is over that, and the mysterious coming and going factions only made adjustments to it, until a more recent point of reference (around the Krogan Rebellions) since when it's been populated for good.

EDIT:

This is how Drew Karpyshyn introduced the Omega in Ascension, Ch. 4.:

"It's exact age was unknown, although everyone agreed the station had originally been built by the Protheans before they dissapeared. However, nobody agree on which had been the first species to resettle it once the Protheans were mysterirously wiped out."

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 29 décembre 2010 - 10:03 .

[CroGamer002]

Omega was created by Protheins and later abounded and it was inhabited again by criminals after 1000 years ago( from ME2 year) but it was abounded and inhabited multiple times.

Modifié par Mesina2, 29 décembre 2010 - 09:24 .

[BiancoAngelo7]

Too much analyzing, just enjoy the game imo. :/

[Kristofer1]

obviously they dont suck if theyve been doing it for millions of years... and keep winning...



dont forget they do indoctrinate large portions of the populations.



and killing an entire species should take a long time.

[Dean_the_Young]

Is there a 'your math is horribly, horribly flawed for a number of reasons' option?

[Aeowyn]

Regarding the death counts I suspect he's talking about the deaths in London, or the UK in general, as he later states "reports are coming in from other cities. It's a coordinated attack." I doubt with (probably blocked communications) the first thing they will say is "Omg we've lost so and so many people."

Also, I believe they are harvesting humans, and, why would they rush it? Who says they rushed the extermination of the Protheans?

Also, regarding Omega, I think the description of it states that the protheans tried to mine it but they failed and abandoned it and then it cracked open when it hit an asteroid or whatnot. Or, it could've just been a Reaper laser that cracked it open.

All in all. We don't know much about the Reapers, we don't know how fast they bomb planets or why they do it. We do know about the Great Rift and the dead Reaper floating above it, and that's what I'm really more curious about. I want to know more about the Reapers and the species that came before the Protheans. I want to know if they managed to put up some resistance and then lost, or if they were just caught by surprise like the Protheans.

Hopefully ME3 will provide the answers.

[Bamboozalist]

Aeowyn wrote...

Regarding the death counts I suspect he's talking about the deaths in London, or the UK in general, as he later states "reports are coming in from other cities. It's a coordinated attack." I doubt with (probably blocked communications) the first thing they will say is "Omg we've lost so and so many people."
Also, I believe they are harvesting humans, and, why would they rush it? Who says they rushed the extermination of the Protheans?
Also, regarding Omega, I think the description of it states that the protheans tried to mine it but they failed and abandoned it and then it cracked open when it hit an asteroid or whatnot. Or, it could've just been a Reaper laser that cracked it open.
All in all. We don't know much about the Reapers, we don't know how fast they bomb planets or why they do it. We do know about the Great Rift and the dead Reaper floating above it, and that's what I'm really more curious about. I want to know more about the Reapers and the species that came before the Protheans. I want to know if they managed to put up some resistance and then lost, or if they were just caught by surprise like the Protheans.
Hopefully ME3 will provide the answers.

One of the first things that gets reported is estimated losses, if they bothered to do it for the UK then they're doing it elsewhere. Also why wouldn't the sniper say "...and that's just London/The UK" it would give a more dramatic feel to the death toll, especially when he made a point of calling the death toll out.

It's not a matter of rushing it, their main goal is this harvest, they do it as fast as they probably can, my main point is for all their "vanguards of your destruction" and "harbingers of our perfection" they're very slow at it. It really takes away from that whole "The Reapers are here, we're completely screwed feel" you get when you realize that it's going to take them like 20+ years, that 9 million figure will go down drasticically as it goes on, to harvest all of Earth.

[Aeowyn]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Regarding the death counts I suspect he's talking about the deaths in London, or the UK in general, as he later states "reports are coming in from other cities. It's a coordinated attack." I doubt with (probably blocked communications) the first thing they will say is "Omg we've lost so and so many people."
Also, I believe they are harvesting humans, and, why would they rush it? Who says they rushed the extermination of the Protheans?
Also, regarding Omega, I think the description of it states that the protheans tried to mine it but they failed and abandoned it and then it cracked open when it hit an asteroid or whatnot. Or, it could've just been a Reaper laser that cracked it open.
All in all. We don't know much about the Reapers, we don't know how fast they bomb planets or why they do it. We do know about the Great Rift and the dead Reaper floating above it, and that's what I'm really more curious about. I want to know more about the Reapers and the species that came before the Protheans. I want to know if they managed to put up some resistance and then lost, or if they were just caught by surprise like the Protheans.
Hopefully ME3 will provide the answers.

One of the first things that gets reported is estimated losses, if they bothered to do it for the UK then they're doing it elsewhere. Also why wouldn't the sniper say "...and that's just London/The UK" it would give a more dramatic feel to the death toll, especially when he made a point of calling the death toll out.

Because that would ruin the "surprise" of the trailer itself: the fact that the Reapers have landed on Earth. It's only in the last seconds that we see that the sniper is in London and that there are Reapers attacking it. So no, starting the trailer with "2 millions dead in the first day, another 7 in the first week, and that's just for London/UK" would destroy the purpose of the whole trailer.

[Bamboozalist]

Aeowyn wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Regarding the death counts I suspect he's talking about the deaths in London, or the UK in general, as he later states "reports are coming in from other cities. It's a coordinated attack." I doubt with (probably blocked communications) the first thing they will say is "Omg we've lost so and so many people."
Also, I believe they are harvesting humans, and, why would they rush it? Who says they rushed the extermination of the Protheans?
Also, regarding Omega, I think the description of it states that the protheans tried to mine it but they failed and abandoned it and then it cracked open when it hit an asteroid or whatnot. Or, it could've just been a Reaper laser that cracked it open.
All in all. We don't know much about the Reapers, we don't know how fast they bomb planets or why they do it. We do know about the Great Rift and the dead Reaper floating above it, and that's what I'm really more curious about. I want to know more about the Reapers and the species that came before the Protheans. I want to know if they managed to put up some resistance and then lost, or if they were just caught by surprise like the Protheans.
Hopefully ME3 will provide the answers.

One of the first things that gets reported is estimated losses, if they bothered to do it for the UK then they're doing it elsewhere. Also why wouldn't the sniper say "...and that's just London/The UK" it would give a more dramatic feel to the death toll, especially when he made a point of calling the death toll out.

Because that would ruin the "surprise" of the trailer itself: the fact that the Reapers have landed on Earth. It's only in the last seconds that we see that the sniper is in London and that there are Reapers attacking it. So no, starting the trailer with "2 millions dead in the first day, another 7 in the first week, and that's just for London/UK" would destroy the purpose of the whole trailer.

Was anyone actually "suprised" by it though? British guy + a clock tower, bothering to call out the death toll, "our" defenses. I figured it was Earth from the first line.

[Aeowyn]

That doesn't change the fact that it was supposed to be a surprise.

[Bamboozalist]

Aeowyn wrote...

That doesn't change the fact that it was supposed to be a surprise.

Okay well fine let's pretend that British guy knew he was in a trailer and was just mentioning london/the UK. We don't know how hard the rest of the world is getting hit let's say it's 100 million a week dead/harvested that's still 2.25 years if it stays at 100 million a week the whole time, kind detracts from the whole "Impending doom" and "there won't be an earth to save", Shepard could waste a year having sex with your LI and still save half of Earth's population.

[Aeowyn]

Well, I understand where you're coming from, but you're basing this on a 1 minute teaster trailer. For all we know they could start slowly to harvest and then when they have the resources they need within, let's say a month, they just bombard the place to hell.

[Bamboozalist]

Aeowyn wrote...

Well, I understand where you're coming from, but you're basing this on a 1 minute teaster trailer. For all we know they could start slowly to harvest and then when they have the resources they need within, let's say a month, they just bombard the place to hell.

Remember Vigil said that it took them several centuries because the Protheans went into hiding/did their whole resistance movement thing. The Reapers seem very interested in harvesting the humans, I see no reason for them to stop when there are still people to harvest, especially considering that it's their only form of making new Reapers.

So The Reapers are basically big slow roombas.

[GnawLF]

Mesina2 wrote...

Omega was created by Protheins and later abounded and it was inhabited again by criminals after 1000 years ago( from ME2 year) but it was abounded and inhabited multiple times.

No, Omega is built by Reapers. In the latest novel Mass Effect: Retribution the character Grayson is implanted with Repaer tech by Cerberus as part of an experiment. He becomes a Reaper agent much like Saren and during one of the scenes on Omega he looks over the base and recognizes the patterns of the design if somewhat diluted by the "lesser" races. Grayson-Reaper then has a moment of joy because the work of his kind endures while the rest of the galaxy is forgotten and destroyed. It might be that the Codex is talking about the current shape of Omega, where the structure is partially within an asteroid.

I think the posters in this thread are over analyzing the information. It seems to me that the most logical and simplest things will shape the course of action in Mass Effect 3. So here is my theory:

Reapers use biological matter to replicate or procreate. We can see that in ME2 with creation of the human reaper, also numerous comments are made by Harbinger as to the ascension of human kind. If this 50000 year cycle is their reproductive cycle then it is safe to assume that Reapers do try to be cautious and patient when they approach extermination of all organics. The fact that they built Citadel as a Trojan horse tactic and use Mass Relays to guide the organic civilization, further reassures the point that Reapers want to minimize their casualties during the cycle.

The fact that they left Sovereign to monitor the galaxy is another example that they are quite experinced at these purges and that Reapers have a number of contengency plans ready. It seems that the story in ME3 will simply culminate in Reapers coming through the Omega station, however unlike Citadel the Omega station might not be capable of shutting down all the Mass Relays in the Galaxy or was rendered incapable due to the collision with the asteroid. The fact that in the ME3 trailer the Reapers are inflicting exteremly light casualties on Earth, for a race of 2 kilometer long starships with a number of devestating mass drivers, seems to reinforce the point that they found perfect candidates in Humanity for Reaper reproduction. Thus they are most likely harvesting Earth, that is the reason the casualties are so low.

All other points of the story might be affected by Shepard in ME3, however I think I want to bring up another point. It is possible that the current Citadel Council has sufficient knowledge to reactivate the Mass Relays. The First Contact war was started when Turians discovered Human explorers trying to reactivate Relay 314 which was rendered inactive by the Council following the Rachni war. It is possible that the Council would be able to reactive the Relays even if the Omega station shuts them down, however that means the Reapers can still withdraw to space between relays and out of FTL range. Maybe in ME3 they will only hit Earth and withdraw for a slower/prolonged purge of the entire galaxy, after all why rush?

Modifié par GnawLF, 29 décembre 2010 - 07:10 .

[Bamboozalist]

GnawLF wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Omega was created by Protheins and later abounded and it was inhabited again by criminals after 1000 years ago( from ME2 year) but it was abounded and inhabited multiple times.

No, Omega is built by Reapers. In the latest novel Mass Effect: Retribution the character Grayson is implanted with Repaer tech by Cerberus as part of an experiment. He becomes a Reaper agent much like Saren and during one of the scenes on Omega he looks over the base and recognizes the patterns of the design if somewhat diluted by the "lesser" races. Grayson-Reaper then has a moment of joy because the work of his kind endures while the rest of the galaxy is forgotten and destroyed. It might be that the Codex is talking about the current shape of Omega, where the structure is partially within an asteroid.

I think the posters in this thread are over analyzing the information. It seems to me that the most logical and simplest things will shape the course of action in Mass Effect 3. So here is my theory:

Reapers use biological matter to replicate or procreate. We can see that in ME2 with creation of the human reaper, also numerous comments are made by Harbinger as to the ascension of human kind. If this 50000 year cycle is their reproductive cycle then it is safe to assume that Reapers do try to be cautious and patient when they approach extermination of all organics. The fact that they built Citadel as a Trojan horse tactic and use Mass Relays to guide the organic civilization, further reassures the point that Reapers want to minimize their casualties during the cycle.

The fact that they left Sovereign to monitor the galaxy is another example that they are quite experinced at these purges and that Reapers have a number of contengency plans ready. It seems that the story in ME3 will simply culminate in Reapers coming through the Omega station, however unlike Citadel the Omega station might not be capable of shutting down all the Mass Relays in the Galaxy or was rendered incapable due to the collision with the asteroid. The fact that in the ME3 trailer the Reapers are inflicting exteremly light casualties on Earth, for a race of 2 kilometer long starships with a number of devestating mass drivers, seems to reinforce the point that they found perfect candidates in Humanity for Reaper reproduction. Thus they are most likely harvesting Earth, that is the reason the casualties are so low.

All other points of the story might be affected by Shepard in ME3, however I think I want to bring up another point. It is possible that the current Citadel Council has sufficient knowledge to reactivate the Mass Relays. The First Contact war was started when Turians discovered Human explorers trying to reactivate Relay 314 which was rendered inactive by the Council following the Rachni war. It is possible that the Council would be able to reactive the Relays even if the Omega station shuts them down, however that means the Reapers can still withdraw to space between relays and out of FTL range. Maybe in ME3 they will only hit Earth and withdraw for a slower/prolonged purge of the entire galaxy, after all why rush?

The problem is the games directly contradict that by saying

Originally an asteroid rich in element zero, Omega was briefly mined by the Protheans, who eventually abandoned it due to its thick, impenetrable crust. Thousands of years later, nature did what even the Protheans could not: a collision with another asteroid broke Omega in half, exposing its trove of element zero for easy mining.

A rush ensued as corporations and private individuals tried to strike it rich on Omega, and thieves and outlaws followed in their wake.As space became tight, construction of processing facilities extended vertically from the asteroid, creating Omega's jellyfish-like silhouette. To prevent future collisions, the station is ringed with enormous mass effect field generators that redirect incoming debris.


Which means that the Asteroid itself was made by Reapers if the station part was made by post Prothean species, you know stuff the codex would have accurate information on.

Modifié par Bamboozalist, 29 décembre 2010 - 07:23 .

[Lord Nicholai]

The initial death toll is obviously going to be high, but it would slow down once people start to fight back or go into hiding. It would take centuries to comb the entire galaxy searching for life, and its not as if the reapers need to rush.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Regarding the death counts I suspect he's talking about the deaths in London, or the UK in general, as he later states "reports are coming in from other cities. It's a coordinated attack." I doubt with (probably blocked communications) the first thing they will say is "Omg we've lost so and so many people."
Also, I believe they are harvesting humans, and, why would they rush it? Who says they rushed the extermination of the Protheans?
Also, regarding Omega, I think the description of it states that the protheans tried to mine it but they failed and abandoned it and then it cracked open when it hit an asteroid or whatnot. Or, it could've just been a Reaper laser that cracked it open.
All in all. We don't know much about the Reapers, we don't know how fast they bomb planets or why they do it. We do know about the Great Rift and the dead Reaper floating above it, and that's what I'm really more curious about. I want to know more about the Reapers and the species that came before the Protheans. I want to know if they managed to put up some resistance and then lost, or if they were just caught by surprise like the Protheans.
Hopefully ME3 will provide the answers.

One of the first things that gets reported is estimated losses, if they bothered to do it for the UK then they're doing it elsewhere. Also why wouldn't the sniper say "...and that's just London/The UK" it would give a more dramatic feel to the death toll, especially when he made a point of calling the death toll out.

It's not a matter of rushing it, their main goal is this harvest, they do it as fast as they probably can, my main point is for all their "vanguards of your destruction" and "harbingers of our perfection" they're very slow at it. It really takes away from that whole "The Reapers are here, we're completely screwed feel" you get when you realize that it's going to take them like 20+ years, that 9 million figure will go down drasticically as it goes on, to harvest all of Earth.

It is plausible he is merely a grunt soldier a unit commander and therefore would not be informed of the worldly population loss. In actuality, he could be speaking entirety of his own regime specifically, in which case the death tole in even London could be exceptionally larger. The trailer was meant as a quick one shot for dramatic effect with the Reapers invading. The death tole is not completely irrelevant in comparison to the Reapers attacking.

For their gradual pace in committing Genocide. For what purpose do they have to usher in haste? The Reapers see organics are insignificant fodder, resources to be harvested and nothing more. We are a genetic mutation, inferior in every capacity, the cycle cannot be prevented, our destruction is inevitable, we exist because they allowed it and will die because they demand it. Aye, I am essentially quoting Sovereign here however such is the mentality of the Reapers. They are not quick because they cannot fathom defeat. It is as illogical to them as immortality is to humans.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 29 décembre 2010 - 08:35 .

[Bamboozalist]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Regarding the death counts I suspect he's talking about the deaths in London, or the UK in general, as he later states "reports are coming in from other cities. It's a coordinated attack." I doubt with (probably blocked communications) the first thing they will say is "Omg we've lost so and so many people."
Also, I believe they are harvesting humans, and, why would they rush it? Who says they rushed the extermination of the Protheans?
Also, regarding Omega, I think the description of it states that the protheans tried to mine it but they failed and abandoned it and then it cracked open when it hit an asteroid or whatnot. Or, it could've just been a Reaper laser that cracked it open.
All in all. We don't know much about the Reapers, we don't know how fast they bomb planets or why they do it. We do know about the Great Rift and the dead Reaper floating above it, and that's what I'm really more curious about. I want to know more about the Reapers and the species that came before the Protheans. I want to know if they managed to put up some resistance and then lost, or if they were just caught by surprise like the Protheans.
Hopefully ME3 will provide the answers.

One of the first things that gets reported is estimated losses, if they bothered to do it for the UK then they're doing it elsewhere. Also why wouldn't the sniper say "...and that's just London/The UK" it would give a more dramatic feel to the death toll, especially when he made a point of calling the death toll out.

It's not a matter of rushing it, their main goal is this harvest, they do it as fast as they probably can, my main point is for all their "vanguards of your destruction" and "harbingers of our perfection" they're very slow at it. It really takes away from that whole "The Reapers are here, we're completely screwed feel" you get when you realize that it's going to take them like 20+ years, that 9 million figure will go down drasticically as it goes on, to harvest all of Earth.

It is plausible he is merely a grunt soldier a unit commander and therefore would not be informed of the worldly population loss. In actuality, he could be speaking entirety of his own regime specifically, in which case the death tole in even London could be exceptionally larger. The trailer was meant as a quick one shot for dramatic effect with the Reapers invading. The death tole is not completely irrelevant in comparison to the Reapers attacking.

For their gradual pace in committing Genocide. For what purpose do they have to usher in haste? The Reapers see organics are insignificant fodder, resources to be harvested and nothing more. We are a genetic mutation, inferior in every capacity, the cycle cannot be prevented, our destruction is inevitable, we exist because they allowed it and will die because they demand it. Aye, I am essentially quoting Sovereign here however such is the mentality of the Reapers. They are not quick because they cannot fathom defeat. It is as illogical to them as immortality is to humans.

Right, you seem to be misunderstanding me, I'm not saying it's a plot hole I'm saying that simply detracts from the real "threat" of the Reapers when you look at all the advancements we made in 2 years.

[GnawLF]

Bamboozalist wrote...

GnawLF wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Omega was created by Protheins and later abounded and it was inhabited again by criminals after 1000 years ago( from ME2 year) but it was abounded and inhabited multiple times.

No, Omega is built by Reapers. In the latest novel Mass Effect: Retribution the character Grayson is implanted with Repaer tech by Cerberus as part of an experiment. He becomes a Reaper agent much like Saren and during one of the scenes on Omega he looks over the base and recognizes the patterns of the design if somewhat diluted by the "lesser" races. Grayson-Reaper then has a moment of joy because the work of his kind endures while the rest of the galaxy is forgotten and destroyed. It might be that the Codex is talking about the current shape of Omega, where the structure is partially within an asteroid.

I think the posters in this thread are over analyzing the information. It seems to me that the most logical and simplest things will shape the course of action in Mass Effect 3. So here is my theory:

Reapers use biological matter to replicate or procreate. We can see that in ME2 with creation of the human reaper, also numerous comments are made by Harbinger as to the ascension of human kind. If this 50000 year cycle is their reproductive cycle then it is safe to assume that Reapers do try to be cautious and patient when they approach extermination of all organics. The fact that they built Citadel as a Trojan horse tactic and use Mass Relays to guide the organic civilization, further reassures the point that Reapers want to minimize their casualties during the cycle.

The fact that they left Sovereign to monitor the galaxy is another example that they are quite experinced at these purges and that Reapers have a number of contengency plans ready. It seems that the story in ME3 will simply culminate in Reapers coming through the Omega station, however unlike Citadel the Omega station might not be capable of shutting down all the Mass Relays in the Galaxy or was rendered incapable due to the collision with the asteroid. The fact that in the ME3 trailer the Reapers are inflicting exteremly light casualties on Earth, for a race of 2 kilometer long starships with a number of devestating mass drivers, seems to reinforce the point that they found perfect candidates in Humanity for Reaper reproduction. Thus they are most likely harvesting Earth, that is the reason the casualties are so low.

All other points of the story might be affected by Shepard in ME3, however I think I want to bring up another point. It is possible that the current Citadel Council has sufficient knowledge to reactivate the Mass Relays. The First Contact war was started when Turians discovered Human explorers trying to reactivate Relay 314 which was rendered inactive by the Council following the Rachni war. It is possible that the Council would be able to reactive the Relays even if the Omega station shuts them down, however that means the Reapers can still withdraw to space between relays and out of FTL range. Maybe in ME3 they will only hit Earth and withdraw for a slower/prolonged purge of the entire galaxy, after all why rush?

The problem is the games directly contradict that by saying

Originally an asteroid rich in element zero, Omega was briefly mined by the Protheans, who eventually abandoned it due to its thick, impenetrable crust. Thousands of years later, nature did what even the Protheans could not: a collision with another asteroid broke Omega in half, exposing its trove of element zero for easy mining.

A rush ensued as corporations and private individuals tried to strike it rich on Omega, and thieves and outlaws followed in their wake.As space became tight, construction of processing facilities extended vertically from the asteroid, creating Omega's jellyfish-like silhouette. To prevent future collisions, the station is ringed with enormous mass effect field generators that redirect incoming debris.


Which means that the Asteroid itself was made by Reapers if the station part was made by post Prothean species, you know stuff the codex would have accurate information on.

And the very first novel, Mass Effect: Revelation, kept repeating that both the Citadel and the Mass Relays were made by Protheans. The writers of the novels and the games are trying to establish a universe where Humanity and the rest of Citadel races are constantly dismissing the very existance of the Reapers. So if these races cant figure out that Mass Relays and the Citadel existed for millions of years you suddenly expect them to know the origin of the Omega station after its undergone significant changes and addons?


This is a quote from the book. Grayson, controlled by Reapers through extensive implants, docks at Omega:

"   He would have made even better time if he wasn't constantly slowing down to study various structural and architectural features of the station. He had seen it all before, of course, but he felt like he was looking at it through fresh eyes; taking every detail and comparing it against some half-remembered blueprint he didn't actually ever remember seeing.
      The cycle continues. Each civilization brings change, yet the works of our kind are eternal.
     Omega was known for the haphazard, piecemeal way it had been constructed. Most believed that it had been carved from the heart of an ancient asteroid by the Protheans eons ago, but over the centuries any number of species had left their mark on it. Its discordant style gave it an almost random feel. And though it had never bothered him before, for some reason he now found the chaos offensive on a deep philosophical level.
     But while the overall effect filled him with revulsion, each individual element he examined during his trek cause him to react with amusement. It remninded him of the ant farm he had as a child. The insects worked with slavish dedication to build their netowrk of tunnels, shaping and altering the tine glass case that encompassed the entirity of their existence. He had observed them though the glass as they worked, industrious and relentless, completely oblivious of their own insignificance in the grand design of the universe."

Btw, Italicized lines denote the mental messages/mind control from/of the Reapers.

Modifié par GnawLF, 29 décembre 2010 - 09:41 .

[CroGamer002]

^So unless Omega description and Codex are lie, it's made my Protheins.

Modifié par Mesina2, 30 décembre 2010 - 07:36 .

[GnawLF]

Mesina2 wrote...

^So unless Omega description and Codex are lie, it's made my Protheins.

Both Codex and description are written by races who think that the Mass Relay and Citadel are made by Protheans. Its not a lie, just information collected by the researches who are unaware of the Reapers. Do note that the original codex entry about Citadel also listed Protheans as the builders and did not meantion anything about Reapers. So yes, Omega is a Reaper construct that has been modified and expanded by a myriad of other races.

[Bluko]

No they don't.

The Reapers have managed to wipe out countless civilizations. The Protheans proved to be a bit of a problem for the Reapers since they developed so fast that were able to replicate the Reapers technology. And I'm guessing the advanced state of the Protheans is also why they couldn't be made into a Reaper. However even though in sheer technical brilliance the Protheans nearly matched the Reapers, they still lost.

I'm still not really sure if it can even be expected that we can defeat the Reapers by military might. Hundreds, thousands of civilizations have failed and they may or may not have been more advanced then us. I say the Reapers are pretty good at what they do.

Also their goal is not to kill everyone, but harvest as many sentient beings as they can to make into Reapers to continue to bolster their numbers. The Reapers would be pretty retarded if they killed everyone. Also how anyone can say 9 million people is a trivial number... that's still quite a bit. I mean for one week of warfare to result in that many people being dead is rather unprecedented. While it may be a very tiny portion of the human race, it's still significant. Now by that standard it may take the Reapers years, decades, even centuries to complete their goals. But considering many Reapers have existed for probably hundreds of millena I'm sure they're are pretty patient. Afterall what's the rush for them? They aren't going to die, unless they are physically destroyed.

Remember one Reaper namely took on the most heavily defended place in the galaxy and almost won. The Reapers really don't have much to fear from our fleets I think. Even assuming it's possible to regroup and launch counterattacks the Reapers won't suffer many loses. That's the other thing. I'm sure the Reapers are attacking every inhabited world at once. Every single inhabited planet, fleet, station, whatever is going to be contending with the Reapers.

[azerSheppard]

The codex is not all knowing or "correct".



It's generally written in the perspective of the current galactic civilizations. With the addition of some "pages" with perspectives of certain ME characters, and their added secrets.



For instance, the codex, before unlocking Zaeeds secret page, says the Blue Suns was created by Turians, or Batarians. After unlocking Zaeeds secret, it say Vido and Zaeed where the creators of the Blue Suns.

[Katamariguy]

Bamboozalist wrote...

The Smoking Man wrote...

The 9 million dead figure was the amount of casualties in London alone. And if they're trying to build Arnold 2.0, they're probably not trying to kill all the humans. Or they're trying to take their time and get the whole galactic extinction event down right, rather than do a rush job. They've been alive for at least some tens of millions of years, it's not like they're in any shortage of time.
Either that, or the Reapers do suck.

He says "All our defenses" not just London, so I assume thats 9 world wide. Also today only 7.5 million people live in London right now and there isn't exactly tons of room for population growth there. Consider that Illium only has a total population of 84 million with as dense population wise as that planet is.

@StarGateGod why wouldn't they harvest the other species? They were planning on harvesting everything before, there is no reason they wouldn't now. They'll probably just do humanity first since humanity is the biggest problem. The Reapers can only produce via harvesting so it makes no sense to not harvest everything.

Who says he wasn't only referring to London?

And Harbinger says that they're only interested in harvesting humanity.

[DaVanguard]

^I thought it became a general concesus on the forms that he's only refering to London. He says "reports are coming from other citys" afterwards and its explaining the subject "its a well coordinated attack".



another thing earth has 11.4 billion humans living on it.