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[Mystranna Kelteel]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
According to you?

No, according to common sense. Exploration and vastness was present; you merely didn't like what was there.  So, again, saying that you didn't like the feature doesn't mean it didn't exist.

Just because you like what was in the large space and think that the 'exploration' yielded particulary interesting results doesn't mean they did exist.

Uh, again, common sense would dictate that it does.  How could I enjoy a feature of a game that didn't exist? XD
And I'm not saying I loved ME1's exploration; I'm pointing out that it existed in a functional form.

I don't see how driving around in a barren terrain with the same base yields as exploration. Everytime i land on a planet in ME1 i know what to expect and where to go.

1) Not every planet had the same base. There were 2 general base layouts.
2) The resources were not marked on the actual map (save for one or two planets with a "scanner" device or similar.
3) Those little areas of interest like the crashed mining vehicle, impact-resistant alien skull, etc, were not marked on the map.
4) would you have preferred that BioWare gave you no indication of where the actual sidequests actually were?

Only problem is each ME2 area stood out from one another that actually not only looked, but felt different and didn't involve storming the same bunker 10 times over. Besides, GREAT strawman argument. I wasn't arguing how ME2 areas are 10x better than ME1's crappy UNC planets but rather arguing that "exploration" was essentially non existant in ME1.

And I've already proven that ME1 did have plenty of exploration, you simply didn't enjoy it.

Like every delusional ME1 fanatic and RPG elitist out there?

I'm not sure to whom you're referring.  I'm not a ME1 fanatic, nor am I a ME2 hater. I think ME2 is a decent game; I give it a 7/10.  I do believe ME1 was better in a lot of ways, though.  My arguing with you here is simply to point out some key errors in your logic; you're the one trying to turn this into a flame war by calling me a fangirl or something.

Right and every planet having the same things which is marked on your map doesn't count as exploration, especially when you're driving on the very same terrain with a different texture. You want to know whats exploration go look at games like Red dead redemption or FO3 and new vegas, you actually explore a sandbox and when you find a new town that isn't marked on you're map, there are substantial things to do other than "pick up the same deposit" in every UNC world and storm into the same bunker.

Those are different kinds of games with different kinds of exploration.  Yes, FO has more substantial exploration, and ME2 has less substantial exploration than even ME1.  The point is, ME1 had exploration and people enjoyed it.  Sure, BioWare could have, and should have tweaked it and made it better for ME2. Instead they just chucked it out the window.

How is it even a defence to begin with? I'm just pointing how cliche ME1's story is despite how some delusional pricks treat it as such an OMGWTFBBQ awesome story which it isn't.

No, but it was better and more complex than ME2.

And ME1's isn't? Wow nice double standards here, bravo!

It's not a double standard.  ME1's story may be the penultimate cliche, but ME2's is the ultimate cliche.

So the collectors being *SPOILER* isn't a plot twist? That the harbinger collector wasn't *SPOILER* all along? You know what im talking about. There wasn't ANY plot twists in ME1 either but rather they felt more like revelations.

No, those aren't plot twists.  Who the Collectors were in their history does not change the struggle in the game.
Finding out that Sovereign was a reaper did change the struggle. Now you were facing off against an actual reaper instead of just Saren.
The fact that Harbinger wasn't a Collector is similar, but doesn't really change the plot or the struggle, since you're still only fighting Collectors and the actual Harbinger doesn't even make an appearance until the epilogue.

[habitat 67]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...
Lol why do you want to know that so badly?

Anyway, I think I'd give Planescape: Torment, Metal Gear Solid 3 and Chrono Trigger a 10. I loved all of those games so much and I still play them every once in a while. Feel free to disagree if you want, it's just an opinion.

Then again, I don't think those games are perfect... but at least they're close. Again just an opinion.
What would you give a 10?

I just got Planescape:Torment  and I'm very excited to play it, and I agree that Chronotrigger is a 10. I would add Earthbound, FFII, Maniac Mansion, Morrowind, Animal Crossing, KOTOR, and both Mass Effects. Fallout:Vegas SHOULD get a 10 but, well you know, it's all janked up.

Just looking for good games really, especially from those who are critical of two games I deem a 10. I could be missing out on something really important, a then I wonder what causes the rating bias: genre preference or other personal things.

[Khayness]

Folks, not giving a **** about other people's opinion on the internet can improve your life quality.

Also, Jasonagain/PoisonTea is an obvious oblivious troll who creates multiple topics about some nonsense and spews vitriol about it, making this thread 4 pages long is pointless.

[SithLordExarKun]

[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

No, according to common sense. Exploration and vastness was present; you merely didn't like what was there.  So, again, saying that you didn't like the feature doesn't mean it didn't exist.
[/quote] And you saying the feature exist, doesn't meant it exist.

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[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Uh, again, common sense would dictate that it does.  How could I enjoy a feature of a game that didn't exist?
[/quote] Because the feature wasn't "exploration" but merely what you thought was exploration?



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[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
1) Not every planet had the same base. There were 2 general base layouts.
[/quote]  Which were still identical pirate bases that you infiltrated everytime. Try again.
[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
2) The resources were not marked on the actual map (save for one or two planets with a "scanner" device or similar.[/quote] And how is this exploration when every planet has the same feature?

[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
3) Those little areas of interest like the crashed mining vehicle, impact-resistant alien skull, etc, were not marked on the map.
[/quote]  And how is this exploration when every planet has the same feature?
[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
4) would you have preferred that BioWare gave you no indication of where the actual sidequests actually were?
[/quote] Yes, because of how crappy the side quests were in ME1, i'd rather they didn't exist at all.

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[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
And I've already proven that ME1 did have plenty of exploration, you simply didn't enjoy it.[/quote] No you didn't. Your logic was "ME1 had X and Y therefore they equal exploration".

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[/quote][quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
I'm not sure to whom you're referring.  I'm not a ME1 fanatic, nor am I a ME2 hater. I think ME2 is a decent game; I give it a 7/10.  I do believe ME1 was better in a lot of ways, though.  My arguing with you here is simply to point out some key errors in your logic; you're the one trying to turn this into a flame war by calling me a fangirl or something.
[/quote] You say you're not sure whom i am referring to and then subsequently accuse me of calling you a fan girl? Nice contradiction there. You think ME1 was better in a lot of ways, thats your opinion, not fact.
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[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Those are different kinds of games with different kinds of exploration.  Yes, FO has more substantial exploration, and ME2 has less substantial exploration than even ME1.
[/quote] Thats assuming ME1 even had "exploration to begin with". Again i don't see how driving on the same planet with a new texture with the same things to do count as exploration, that was pointless and stupid driving.  Driving around in a sandbox with nothing to do but look for the same materials and shoot up a pirate base doesn't count as exploration .And did i or anybody  argue that ME2 had exploration? No.
[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
  The point is, ME1 had exploration and people enjoyed it.  Sure, BioWare could have, and should have tweaked it and made it better for ME2. Instead they just chucked it out the window.[/quote] Again, am i or anybody in this thread debating as to why bioware threw it out the window? Wait, they threw out "exploration", but what exploration was there in ME1??????

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[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
No, but it was better and more complex than ME2.[/quote] Yes because apparantly im arguing how ME2's story is better than ME1. What a nice job of you attacking a position i never made idiot. I don't care if ME1's story is "more complex" than ME2's, my point is how cliche ME1's story is and idiots should stop treating it like the pinnacle of story telling.



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[/quote][quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
It's not a double standard.  ME1's story may be the penultimate cliche, but ME2's is the ultimate cliche.[/quote] Oh but it is. Like i said, i never argued how ME2's story was even non cliche to begin with. my point is how cliche ME1's story is and idiots should stop treating it like the pinnacle of story telling with its simple story.


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[/quote][quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
No, those aren't plot twists. 
[/quote] Because you say so? 

A plot twist is a change ("twist") in the direction or expected outcome
of the plot of a film, television series, video game, novel, comic or
other fictional work. It is a common practice in narration used to keep
the interest of an audience, usually surprising them with a revelation
[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Who the Collectors were in their history does not change the struggle in the game.
[/quote] Since when does plot twists revolve around chancing a struggle in a story?
[quote]Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Finding out that Sovereign was a reaper did change the struggle. Now you were facing off against an actual reaper instead of just Saren.
The fact that Harbinger wasn't a Collector is similar, but doesn't really change the plot or the struggle, since you're still only fighting Collectors and the actual Harbinger doesn't even make an appearance until the epilogue.
[/quote] See the above.

[padaE]

Mass Effect 2 is a vastly superior game in everyway.

[Lumikki]

What I can say, I liked both. How ever, if you are worried, then do what ever you like. My opinion about two of those games are. ME2 has better shooter side combat and in some ways it's more cinematic and gameplay is a lot smoother. How ever, it has a lot less traditional RPG as customation than ME1 had. Also the impression as feeling and story was better in ME1. ME2 does feel little bit more shooter than ME1 did, mostly because lack of vehicle exploration. But other hand ME2 isn't as clumpsy as ME1 was.

I don't fear what others sayed about ME2, but I'm worried that Bioware will listen these "complainers". Not because there isn't reason for some of they criticism, some of it is very valid, but because Bioware has habit to over do changes and so many "complainers" here tend to exaggerate everyting. Meaning they make problems looks worst than it really is.

Modifié par Lumikki, 29 décembre 2010 - 08:57 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

I'm not going to lie to you; I stopped reading your post halfway through. So if I only cover a couple points, that'd be why. <- full disclosure!

Yeah, Me1 had exploration.  You land in a large, open space with the MAKO and then you drive around to find things.

Hey, no, I'll just use dictionary.com for this one:
Exploration –noun 1. an act or instance of exploring or investigating; examination. 2. the investigation of unknown regions.

Yep, you land on an unknown, unexplored planet (unknown region!!! ), and then you set off in the MAKO to investigate (investigate!!!! ) and explore (explore!!!!! ) said planet (unknown region!!!! )  for resources, sidequest locations, salvageable debris, and random planetary oddities!

Holy crap! It's exploration!

And, no, every planet was not the same.  Similar in some general terms, sure, but then so is ME2 and every other game. "This has a floor I can walk/drive across!! It's the same thing with a different texture and color!!!"

[SithLordExarKun]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...


Yeah, Me1 had exploration.  You land in a large, open space with the MAKO and then you drive around to find things.

And driving qround = exploration!! Hurray for logic!! Try again.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Hey, no, I'll just use dictionary.com for this one:
Exploration –noun 1. an act or instance of exploring or investigating; examination. 2. the investigation of unknown regions.

Nothings unknown about UNC's in ME1 considering they all have the same thing.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Yep, you land on an unknown, unexplored planet (unknown region!!! ),

  Unknown? Every planet you land on that has the same base and same mineral deposit is unknown?

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
and then you set off in the MAKO to investigate

Yes and because i've "investigated" whats under my table means im "exploring whats under my table" despite knowing whats there.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
(investigate!!!! ) and explore (explore!!!!! ) said planet (unknown region!!!! )  for resources, sidequest locations, salvageable debris, and random planetary oddities!

Yes because looking for a resource means "exploring".

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Holy crap! It's exploration!

You know by your logic, ME2 DOES have exploration on par with ME1 too you know. Nice way in shooting your own foot.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
And, no, every planet was not the same.  Similar in some general terms, sure, but then so is ME2 and every other game. "
This has a floor I can walk/drive across!! It's the same thing with a different texture and color!!!"

I would say the same, same layout, same locations, same sandbox style.

Besides we know how many times you were wrong already. Remember how you rambled "SAMARA IS A FULL ROMANCE because a DUTCH MAGAZINE SAYS SO!!!" only to be proven wrong with the games release?

How about something more recent like "ITS NOT THE INCISOR BECAUSE I SAY SO!! and Th3re 4 iZ nt M@ss effect related" only to be proven wrong with ME3's reveal? Do the world a nice favour and shut the hell up Mystranna.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 29 décembre 2010 - 04:01 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

See, now you're just trolling.

Some planets have snow, some have thresher maws, some have deadly conditions, some have cobalt, some have titanium, some have rachni, some have thorain creepers, some have mercenaries, some have prothean dig sites, some have turian insignias, some have salarian artifacts, some have matriarch writings, some have gun turrets, some have Cerberus goons, some have grass, some have shifty-looking cows, some have monkeys, some have giant insects, some have lava, some are just rock, some have blue planets in the sky, some have airborne pollutants, some have geth, some have red planets in the sky, some have upright bases, some have mine shafts, some have nuclear bombs, some have crashed mining vehicles, some have alien skulls, some have crashed satellites, etc. etc.

No, no, you're right; they're totally the same. And driving around to find those is totally not exploration. Not at all.

And I never flat-out said any of those things about Samara or the Incisor.  I used them as evidence to support a theory that didn't pan out.
Although the gun in the trailer is not the actual Incisor either way.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 29 décembre 2010 - 04:06 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

See, now you're just trolling.

Because the great mystranna says so?

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Some planets have snow, some have thresher maws, some have deadly conditions, some have cobalt, some have titanium, some have rachni, some have thorain creepers, some have mercenaries, some have prothean dig sites, some have turian insignias, some have salarian artifacts, some have matriarch writings, some have gun turrets, some have Cerberus goons, some have grass, some have shifty-looking cows, some have monkeys, some have giant insects, some have lava, some are just rock, some have blue planets in the sky, some have airborne pollutants, some have geth, some have red planets in the sky, some have upright bases, some have mine shafts, some have nuclear bombs, some have crashed mining vehicles, some have alien skulls, some have crashed satellites, etc. etc.

All still on the same planet with a different texture, despite all you have mentioned it still felt like a bland and boring copy paste world that was lazily tacked on. And no its not "some" had monkeys or shifty looking cows. its one.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
No, no, you're right; they're totally the same. And driving around to find those is totally not exploration. Not at all.

Correct. So by your logic driving to a food centre is "exploring" because im looking for food.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
And I never flat-out said any of those things about Samara or the Incisor. 

Yes you did, don't try to lie and cover up your stupidity. If you really care what people think about you on the internet then you're seriously pathetic.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
I used them as evidence to support a theory that didn't pan out.

In which you were still proven wrong ms albert. Besides you argued aggresively when i recall when someone disagrees with you and you're "theory" gets torn to sh!ts before the games release.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Although the gun in the trailer is not the actual Incisor either way.

Right, first is "the gun has slight variations from the incisor therefore its not ME related" and then when the games reveal proves you wrong, its this. I guess by your stupid logic the "AK47" in "Black ops" really is not the "AK47" because it has variations from the one in "COD4".

[Mystranna Kelteel]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
 Because the great mystranna says so?

Ha, no, because you're acting like a petulant child with a grudge.

All still on the same planet with a different texture, despite all you have mentioned it still felt like a bland and boring copy paste world that was lazily tacked on. And no its not "some" had monkeys or shifty looking cows. its one.

Right, they're all the same except for all those features that make them markedly different.
And, hey, guess what? If you admit that there's only ONE planet that has monkeys then that means... wait for it... It's unique and not the same as the others!!! OH EM GEEEEEEEE
Just ot be factual, there are somewhere around 3 planets that have those cows, but only one that's specifically "shifty". <- moar uniqueness.

Correct. So by your logic driving to a food centre is "exploring" because im looking for food.

Well, if you don't know what food they have in stock then, yes, that's a type of exploration.

Yes you did, don't try to lie and cover up your stupidity. If you really care what people think about you on the internet then you're seriously pathetic.

I don't care, just being factual.  What I flat-out said was that just because it has mostly the same model as the incisor does not mean the footage is ME related.  And that's true.  The game was ME related, but that's irrelevant to what I said.

In which you were still proven wrong ms albert. Besides you argued aggresively when i recall when someone disagrees with you and you're "theory" gets torn to sh!ts before the games release.

Well, if you want to destroy my credibility it's good of you to ignore those times when I was right, like with the Hammerhead being DLC, for one. And that's not the only one, mind you.  Regardless, this isn't some pissing contest. XD

Right, first is "the gun has slight variations from the incisor therefore its not ME related" and then when the games reveal proves you wrong, its this. I guess by your stupid logic the "AK47" in "Black ops" really is not the "AK47" because it has variations from the one in "COD4".

Again, I never said it wasn't ME related.  I said that the fact that the Incisor is modified is evidence against it being ME related.  If you want to find this elusive quote you keep fabricating, be my guest.

[SithLordExarKun]

Actually you know thinking about it i have better things to do than argue on the internet(oh god what was i even thinking). The more you try to prove your credibility(like what mystranna is doing) when somebody questions it for the fun of it on a gaming  forum  the more likley you have self esteem issues in real life and escape into the virtual world to escape the realities of life. I say good job mys because you woke me up


Basically mys, you're like this :


To the OP.
Don't let a bunch of sheep tell you what game to play, play the game for yourself and decide if its good or bad.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 29 décembre 2010 - 04:50 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Would you two just have sex already.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
Ah yes, call me a troll and now trolling yourself. I won't get the bait hun so sorry about that.

You resorted to insults and name-calling simply because I engaged you in debate.  That is both childish and petulant.  I didn't say that just to get a rise out of you; it wasn't trolling.

Which they are essentially still the same planet with the same features, having a bunch of monkeys like yourself running around

^More petulant childish trolling.

doesn't make the planet different from another, especially seeing how all planets have the same pirate bases and same objectives knowing what to expect everytime you land.

There were many different objectives.  Sometimes to find a person's body, sometimes to eliminate the mercs, sometimes to recover someone's family armor, etc.  I don't see how you can keep trying to backpedal out of this. You're making yourself look just silly.  Now I find that entertaining, but I don't see what your intention is.

A trivial feature thats so insignificant it doesn't make one planet stand out from the other.

Well, that's your opinion.  I think the different scenery, planetary conditions, sky features, and actual content make many of them stand out quite a bit.

Yes, you tell me you don't care, then you try to tell me that you were doing so and so justifying what ever theorys you came out with.

I really don't care what anyone thinks of me or my predictions.  I saw that you had misinterpreted what was said and felt the need to clarify.

What I flat-out said was that just because it has mostly the same model as the incisor does not mean the footage is ME related  <-- from you

Self ownage.

Again you're having trouble understanding what I said.
The rifle in the video had many of the same features as the Incisor, yes.  That fact does not inherently mean that the trailer is ME related.  Just because it was ME related does not invalidate what I said.  The presence of that rifle did not cement its ME relation.
By that same token, I would argue that the presence of the ogre in Hock's vault does not mean Mass Effect takes palce in the same universe as Dragon Age.

And if ME3 comes around and proves that the two worlds are in teh same universe, hey, that's fine, but the presence of that statue in that vault did not mean it definitely was.  Do you follow? It's all very simple.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 29 décembre 2010 - 04:56 .

[thebigbenman]

Ironically, official game forums generally leave you with the impression a game is far worse than it is. The games great, it's not Mass Effect 1, it's different, but awesome.

Play the DLC, with Overlord and LotSB Mass Effect 2 has become favoritest game ever.

[fmsantos39]

PoisonTea wrote...

I absolutely love Mass Effect 1 and am having a great time playing (even with all it's horrible bugs).  I enjoy the vast epic feel, the multitude of dialogue options and the long intricate storyline.  The exploration is also a blast.

However I've heard that Mass Effect 2 has lost it's vast feel, it's lost it's intricate dialogue options and now it's just a standard shooter with a very weak storyline, not even a story from what I hear just a bunch of sidequests.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

the story is not so epic as ME1 but is still an epic story, you will learn a lot about your team mates and that's a plus, you will see your decisions affecting the game, you will see npc's of side mission again, u can romance praticly every squad mate and the gameplay is a lot more fun.

[marshalleck]

What is all this talk of "faith"? Oh noes, I LOST MY FAITH in Mass Effect!

Shut up and play the game, or don't. You don't need to have "faith" in a freaking video game--it's not a religion, and if you're treating it as such it means there is a void in your life that you're trying to fill with something that just can't adequately provide.

Modifié par marshalleck, 29 décembre 2010 - 05:39 .

[colossus50000]

Weskerr wrote...

PoisonTea wrote...

I absolutely love Mass Effect 1 and am having a great time playing (even with all it's horrible bugs).  I enjoy the vast epic feel, the multitude of dialogue options and the long intricate storyline.  The exploration is also a blast.

However I've heard that Mass Effect 2 has lost it's vast feel, it's lost it's intricate dialogue options and now it's just a standard shooter with a very weak storyline, not even a story from what I hear just a bunch of sidequests.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

In my opinion, the argument that ME2 lacks the epicness of ME1 or a well delivered story is overblown. It has some truth to it, but not enough to ruin your enjoyment of the game. Believe me, ME2 is worth playing and an absolute masterpiece of gaming.

This.

[Matt VT Schlo]

I guess if you gotta make a topic and ask people if you should play a game, then maybe you shouldnt........if you loved ME1 soo much, just play the damned sequel already!

[Pacifien]

I do not want to see line by line arguments. They are indicative of flame wars which are not allowed. I also remind people to keep your personal feelings of another poster out of your posts. Belittling another poster is also not allowed.

[Sorrel]

The big giant wankfest in here has me in stitches, gotta say. Thumbs up, awesome thread.



As for some content for my post:

I think it's important to understand and accept that ME2 continues the story of ME1, but it is a different game. There are some things that changed, there are some things that stayed the same, and for the most part it's a fun ride. I really enjoyed ME2, so much so that I've always got a playthrough in progress.



If things stayed 100% the same, then consider that the same flaws that ME1 had would still be apparent, even exaggerated. It's natural for something to go through a process of streamlining and refinement as it goes on and I think Bioware did a great job addressing the problems with ME1's gameplay and creating solutions. Sure there are things I don't like about it, but that's life. You can't please everyone all the time.

It's not a big deal to accept the differences between the two games and find things you like about both of them. Personally I consider both games to be a masterpiece in their own right, well-thought out creations by a wholly invested team.



As for the story, maybe I'm just kind of a geek but I was really immersed in the world. Mass Effect was the first game I picked up for my Xbox and I was really drawn in. It's got all the elements of a good story and some creative things thrown in. When you get on your soapbox to whine and moan that it's cliché, remember too that games must be designed so that the plot can be followed by the lowest common denominator.



If the plot is unintelligible or riddled with too many subtleties, then a lot of people won't get it because people aren't smart. It's sad, but something we have to accept that games and movies alike have high production values to consider and something that people don't get won't sell. There has to be a certain cliché value to things sometimes because it's understandable. I had no problem with the storyline of ME1 or ME2. I'm anxiously waiting for ME3.



Give ME2 a go. I'd recommend it.

[Praetor Knight]

Th3 Trench wrote...

notice all the ME2 haters have a Dragon Age Avatar

Oh darn, I might have to change mine, so I don't get confused for one!



And I might as well chime in here, re: ME & ME2.
ME2 was a welcome evolution of ME, and I look forward to ME3.

I have my opinions about the games, but again, Kudos to Bioware for a job well done.

[BamBam38]

Mass Effect 2 isn't winning GOTY awards for nothing. It is an amazing game, you will not be disappointed. If you think to hard about these things, your just going to ruin the experience. You realize that there is more criticism on forums then there is praise. People who enjoy it are playing it instead of complaining about it. Just go in an play and you'll have a blast. I know I did.

[Elite Midget]

Just...



Don't get 'too' attached to the ME2 characters since.... Well, I wont spoil it. Just expect new and fresh faces for ME3.

[Shotokanguy]

Mass Effect 2 is underrated, if the vocal minority is in actuality, not a minority.



It's ridiculous how much criticism it gets.