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I was looking forward to Mass Effect 2 but this forum has me worried now.


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Ivars wrote...

Me1 Better RPG and Story, Me2 Better Shooter and Gameplay. Easy.
And Phaedon, pointless stats? Hmmm, I don't think that having more Hitpoints or better shields is pointless...


Me1 better rpg and story, hence why I play single player games.

ME2 better shooter and gameplay, but i doubt it's a better shooter than call of duty multiplayer since fighitng against my fellow man is always 120931203 times more challenging than a stupid AI.

I play single player games for the rpg and story. If I need a challenge I'll fight against my fellow man in fps or rts.Bioware should learn their role...... Me2 is sounding like **** the more I hear about it.

The day I seek challenge in a single player game is the day I kill myself.

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PoisonTea wrote...

I absolutely love Mass Effect 1 and am having a great time playing (even with all it's horrible bugs).  I enjoy the vast epic feel, the multitude of dialogue options and the long intricate storyline.  The exploration is also a blast.

However I've heard that Mass Effect 2 has lost it's vast feel, it's lost it's intricate dialogue options and now it's just a standard shooter with a very weak storyline, not even a story from what I hear just a bunch of sidequests.

Please tell me I'm wrong.


 Play it and see how it appeals to you, not to other people who have made their opinions known already.Image IPB

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You know, there is a demo...

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That requires work though... >_>



Okay, I forgot we had a Demo.

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PoisonTea wrote...

I play single player games for the rpg and story. If I need a challenge I'll fight against my fellow man in fps or rts.Bioware should learn their role...... Me2 is sounding like **** the more I hear about it.

The day I seek challenge in a single player game is the day I kill myself.


You can always play on Casual, if you mean combat difficulty is an issue for you.

The dialogue and story is worth it in ME2, IMHO.

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Mass Effect 2 is underrated, if the vocal minority is in actuality, not a minority.


What? This game is in no way underrated, did you visit other forums besides this one? ME2 is pretty much universally loved.

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ADLegend21 wrote...

PoisonTea wrote...

I absolutely love Mass Effect 1 and am having a great time playing (even with all it's horrible bugs).  I enjoy the vast epic feel, the multitude of dialogue options and the long intricate storyline.  The exploration is also a blast.

However I've heard that Mass Effect 2 has lost it's vast feel, it's lost it's intricate dialogue options and now it's just a standard shooter with a very weak storyline, not even a story from what I hear just a bunch of sidequests.

Please tell me I'm wrong.


 Play it and see how it appeals to you, not to other people who have made their opinions known already.Image IPB


Based on what he's saying though it doesn't seem like he's going to be a hardcore ME2 fan. According to the post above, he enjoys the epic feeling, multitude of dialogue options, the long intricate storyline, and exploration.

Well unfortunately the only item above that applies to ME2 is "epic feeling". The dialogue in the second game was cut drastically. In addition to that, you have automatic dialogue and one option progression in conversations. (Miranda for example). The story is not as long as ME1 in my opinion unless you count recruiting the squad members as story. It doesn't influence the plot at all. The exploration in ME2 was nonexistant. The citadel has been dramatically reduced in size, just 3 small floors of a ward, and the other hub worlds are pretty small too. In contrast to ME1 the hubs do not leave anything at all for exploratory purposes.

Ultimately you'll need the game to get into ME2 with your ME1 character. Thats what I see it as. Hopefully ME3 will return to the old Bioware glory days where story, interaction, and exploration were rich elements in their games.

-Polite

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@ OP- This is a post that I wrote a long time ago in an ME1 vs ME2 thread. It was largely ignored in favor of petty arguing, but it should provide a case by case comparison of the two games from the perspective of someone who has played both through and liked ME1 over ME2. If you liked the things that I liked about ME1, then you may end up disliking ME2. I'm not saying that this post should be your decision maker, but it's certainly some things to consider.



I liked ME1 but I didn't like ME2.



Things that I liked ME1:



1. Character builds- I had to think and plan out how I would build my character and my team. There were many skills to choose from and I found great pleasure in killing my enemies in a multitude of different ways. Biotics were extremely fun to play with; seeing enemies flying all over the place was super fun. I also had the opportunity to have an okay selection of different kinds of armor, weapons and upgrades for both.



2. The team- Shepard's team was diverse yet it was manageable. I felt like I got to personally know every one of them through the conversations. The romance that I played built up very nicely as well. I felt like it was a mutual coming together rather than one side hitting on the other to initiate something. Non-romance characters had interesting dialogue as well.



3. The story- You can play the missions in a variety of different orders. With each mission, you unravel another part of Saren's plan and find out how deep the mess is that you're getting into.



4. The world- The hub worlds for the missions had fluid transitions from one area to the next; there was always an elevator/doorway or a hallway/path or a set of stairs that led you to your destination. Most loading screens were disguised as something that was in the world itself.



Interestingly enough, the things that I liked in ME1 were the very things in ME2 that I didn't like:



1. Character builds- I didn't have to put much planning into my build at all, since I had a very limited list of skills to choose from. Ammo upgrades were turned into skills, which made no sense to me. I want to know how having freezing rounds constitutes a skill such as being able to hack an AI or being able to throw something biotically. Shouldn't ammo be relegated to an inventory?



Biotics were made into a pale shade of what they used to be. Instead, a "mage" sort of class has to rely on a weapon during a shared cooldown time between all of their skills. Also, their skills cannot work in some instances, forcing the player to rely on a gun for combat. Yes, I know they made the guns and cover system more like mainstream TPS games. Some folks find this to be an improvement, but I find it to be an annoyance that a mage/rogue class has been turned into a class that has a weapons reliance.



Instead of improving the inventory and keeping it organized, it was done away with entirely. Other than being able to repaint about 2-3 similar looking armors with a shade of color that would look better on a car, the customization options are very minimal. Any subsequent customization has to be purchased in dlc, which is something that should have been included in the original game IMO



2. The team- The devs have stated in multiple interviews that there's 30% more dialogue in this game. What isn't mentioned is that there are double the amount of squadmates. Then there's the multitude of cameos, npcs, and clickables that can be factored into the equation as well. Simply put, this does not mean that the squadmates have more dialogue with Shepard in ME2.



Picking up a bunch of squadmates and doing a special quest for all of them seemed like a chore. There were 12 of them and every last one of them had a dire problem, most likely associated with daddy issues. Then when you get to the romance dialogue and turn them down, they completely shut off. Just because I did a quest for the character does not mean that I will feel closer to them. Indeed, quite a few of the character loyalty quests were filled with shooting and a few dialogue choices here and there.



This isn't to say that I didn't like the characters. I liked a few of them, but I didn't feel half as close to them as I did to the ME1 squad.



3. The story- The story of ME2 is based on recruiting a bunch of characters and gaining their trust. It feels like the Collector stuff is a sub-plot. When you learn about the Collectors, you get information in three key points: Freedom's Progress, Horizon, and the Collector Ship. That's out of 22 character missions. There's a major plot imbalance in this game. Instead of discovering what's going on with the Collectors in small chunks, it's dumped on you in a huge mission breakthrough.



ME1 had consistent missions with consistent discoveries throughout. ME2 has 3/25 missions devoted to what is supposed to be the plot. When I find that I don't care too much about the team, it's much less motivating for me to play the game since the game's main thrust is supposed to be the characters.



4. The world- Exploration was cut, as were elevators, walking out of the Normandy's airlock to a docking bay, etc. Loading screens weren't disguised. Instead of riding in an elevator, we get the treat of watching a loading screen with an elevator on it. On top of it all, there is a gigantic "Mission Complete" screen after each mission, rather than having some form of transport pick the crew up. Everything seemed choppy and disconnected.



Summary:

With how ME2 turned out and from the way it was marketed, I wouldn't have gotten it if it didn't have the Mass Effect label on it. Everything I loved about the first game was entirely scrapped or turned into a pale imitation of what it once was. Instead of the game that I loved, I find a lot of TPS shooter combat with a multitude of characters that I feel no connection to.



I've lost count of the number of times I've played through ME1; I've gotten every single achievement in it. With ME2, I've played through twice and haven't cared to pick it up again.


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It's a great game, well at least for PC/360 owners. Unfortunately, PS3 owners get an inferior port with bugs, glitches, ****** poor graphics, lots of screen tearing, etc. Bioware just wants to sell a 60 dollar game xD

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REBEL21 wrote...

It's a great game, well at least for PC/360 owners. Unfortunately, PS3 owners get an inferior port with bugs, glitches, ****** poor graphics, lots of screen tearing, etc. Bioware just wants to sell a 60 dollar game xD


Dude if your going to troll you're going to at least need to try harder.


Mass Effect 2's fun. As Pacifen said try out the demo and see if you like it.

Modifié par NvVanity, 29 décembre 2010 - 07:12 .


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NvVanity wrote...

REBEL21 wrote...

It's a great game, well at least for PC/360 owners. Unfortunately, PS3 owners get an inferior port with bugs, glitches, ****** poor graphics, lots of screen tearing, etc. Bioware just wants to sell a 60 dollar game xD


Dude if your going to troll your going to at least need to try harder.


Mass Effect 2's fun. As Pacifen said try out the demo and see if you like it.


Try harder? You're the one that just can't accept the fact that the PS3 version of ME2 is inferior. Go do your research ;)

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REBEL21 wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

REBEL21 wrote...

It's a great game, well at least for PC/360 owners. Unfortunately, PS3 owners get an inferior port with bugs, glitches, ****** poor graphics, lots of screen tearing, etc. Bioware just wants to sell a 60 dollar game xD


Dude if your going to troll your going to at least need to try harder.


Mass Effect 2's fun. As Pacifen said try out the demo and see if you like it.


Try harder? You're the one that just can't accept the fact that the PS3 version of ME2 is inferior. Go do your research ;)


U mad?

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fortunesque wrote...
-awesome post-

Great post, my feelings about both games are exactly the same. Although I still enjoy ME 2 very much and I am still playing it, but mainly because I want 7 tottaly different Shepards to ME 3.

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NvVanity wrote...

REBEL21 wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

REBEL21 wrote...

It's a great game, well at least for PC/360 owners. Unfortunately, PS3 owners get an inferior port with bugs, glitches, ****** poor graphics, lots of screen tearing, etc. Bioware just wants to sell a 60 dollar game xD


Dude if your going to troll your going to at least need to try harder.


Mass Effect 2's fun. As Pacifen said try out the demo and see if you like it.


Try harder? You're the one that just can't accept the fact that the PS3 version of ME2 is inferior. Go do your research ;)


U mad?


Nope, but you sure are. :D

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Babli wrote...

fortunesque wrote...
-awesome post-

Great post, my feelings about both games are exactly the same. Although I still enjoy ME 2 very much and I am still playing it, but mainly because I want 7 tottaly different Shepards to ME 3.


Thank you. I honestly thought it'd get ignored again in favor of arguing XD

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REBEL21 wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

REBEL21 wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

REBEL21 wrote...

It's a great game, well at least for PC/360 owners. Unfortunately, PS3 owners get an inferior port with bugs, glitches, ****** poor graphics, lots of screen tearing, etc. Bioware just wants to sell a 60 dollar game xD


Dude if your going to troll your going to at least need to try harder.


Mass Effect 2's fun. As Pacifen said try out the demo and see if you like it.


Try harder? You're the one that just can't accept the fact that the PS3 version of ME2 is inferior. Go do your research ;)


U mad?


Nope, but you sure are. :D




U just jelly bro.Image IPB

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NvVanity wrote...

REBEL21 wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

REBEL21 wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

REBEL21 wrote...

It's a great game, well at least for PC/360 owners. Unfortunately, PS3 owners get an inferior port with bugs, glitches, ****** poor graphics, lots of screen tearing, etc. Bioware just wants to sell a 60 dollar game xD


Dude if your going to troll your going to at least need to try harder.


Mass Effect 2's fun. As Pacifen said try out the demo and see if you like it.


Try harder? You're the one that just can't accept the fact that the PS3 version of ME2 is inferior. Go do your research ;)


U mad?


Nope, but you sure are. :D




U just jelly bro.Image IPB


Jelly as in jealous? lol not really. I had ME2 on PC and sure was a beatiful game. I just have sympathy for those PS3 gamers that wanna play ME2 on PS3 aka the "definitive version"<_<

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I love customizing my Shep's armor. I gave him yellow to make him more of Alistair's ME counterpart. :3



I didn't mind the Cerberus switch before making a Sole Survivor. Then it got me mad.



But even then, I probably wouldn't have minded the Cerberus switch if they had justified their sick experiments more to my Shepard, if my Shepard was trapped in the situation, or if the Alliance actively pursued Shepard for interrogation.



The loading screens were really cool, but the elevators were more immersive, at least in the Citadel.



Ultimately, it is a shooter, but with the amount of decisions you can make that can potentially have an impact in ME3, it's still an RPG too. But more emphasis is placed on the shooter aspect in ME2.

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All people seem to do on these forums is ****, whine, and complain (and yes, it was necessary to use 3 similar words to describe the same thing).



Your question has clearly already been answered by a good number of people, but ME2 is great in a different way from ME1. They're both masterpieces, don't let the dimwits who demand perfection in every aspect of life turn you away from playing ME2, which I personally thought was better than ME1.

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SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

All people seem to do on these forums is ****, whine, and complain (and yes, it was necessary to use 3 similar words to describe the same thing).


Well what did you expect? Most, if not all developer forums are full of complainers.

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SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

All people seem to do on these forums is ****, whine, and complain (and yes, it was necessary to use 3 similar words to describe the same thing).

Your question has clearly already been answered by a good number of people, but ME2 is great in a different way from ME1. They're both masterpieces, don't let the dimwits who demand perfection in every aspect of life turn you away from playing ME2, which I personally thought was better than ME1.


So if anyone says they preferred ME1 over ME2, they're ****ers, whiners and complainers? Yeah, sure. 

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fortunesque wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

All people seem to do on these forums is ****, whine, and complain (and yes, it was necessary to use 3 similar words to describe the same thing).

Your question has clearly already been answered by a good number of people, but ME2 is great in a different way from ME1. They're both masterpieces, don't let the dimwits who demand perfection in every aspect of life turn you away from playing ME2, which I personally thought was better than ME1.


So if anyone says they preferred ME1 over ME2, they're ****ers, whiners and complainers? Yeah, sure. 


You, kind sir, are taking my words out of context.  In no way did I say people who prefer ME1 over ME2 are ****ers, whiners, and complainers.  I even separated my topics with a distinct space.  

So to clarify, I am suggesting that the person who posted the original post NOT take advice from the people who take so much time out of their lives to dissect ME2 and complain about every little thing about it.  I feel similarly towards those who dissect ME1 in the same manner.  I do believe ME2 is better than ME1, but I am not taking sides here.

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People advising you to not play ME2 are doing you a disservice. Try the demo.



It does have a weaker plot, but the gameplay is vastly improved.

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@OP



Don't believe everything people talk about when they rant about the game. Some individuals here complained about the story because Shepard wasn't already curb-checking Reapers by the end of ME2. Others who complain about the combat just hold down the trigger until they run out of rounds on their thermal clips.



The story is a middle chapter. It's not the same as blowing up the Death Star, but that doesn't mean it isn't good. It's different, but it's not bad in the least.



I'm a fan of both games regardless of their issues and I'd say you will enjoy it. If you're still squeamish you need to rent it. A lot of the people complaining on here are just minority groups who weren't satisfied that ME2 didn't fill their niches. But most people find it very enjoyable (hence the various GotY and other awards it's gotten). Don't let the negativity dissuade you.

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Then whatever you do, dont go to the DA2 forum.