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[Sosoft]

Briefly a bit about myself : I am trying to set myself up for some BG II goodness. I have played through the Irenicus dungeon, but that is all. I have to say I have gotten excited about this game. Along with The collection edition, I even bought an old copy of SoA that came with the printed manual. It is a behemoth and I have read it all. Twice. Ok, ok, not the spells.

I do understand that there a ton of mods out there and many of them quite good. I did my best to research a starting set based on comments, recommendations, and personal inclination. I also did what I could to learn about install order by scouring threads, different sites, readme’s etc. However, in the end would appreciate if some savvy veterans could give this list the once over.

Here is my list with some notes attached as to why I put what where ( I marked mods I know to be WeiDu mods with a W. That probably seems unnecessary to you but might explain partially my thinking, uneducated as it is.)

Game Discs SoA and ToB
Official Patch - 26498
W Ascension (I Read on one site a number of people agreeing that while The Fixpack almost always comes next, Ascension is the exception.)
W G3 BG II Fixpack
Kelsey
NPC Flirt Pack
Banter Pack (Upon suggestions from others to use it as a reference, I noticed that Big World has it early… yet before Unfinished Business. Also, a note I read said to put all non-WeiDu mods before Banter Packs, which I did.)
W Unfinished Business
W Item Upgrade
W Turnabout
W Redemption
W Quest Pack (Note in the readme said to place it after Kelsey and also after NPC Flirt Packs.)
W G3 Anniversary
W G3 Oversight
W G3 BGII Tweak Pack (Note said to place it last.)

In the end I did not have a definitive reason for every placement. I am just looking to hear comments on whether this is a viable install order. I do understand some of the reasoning involved for example in placing Kelsey before Quest Pack to allow his dialog to work properly. But truly I am a neophyte otherwise. Let me know how I did!

If you have any suggestions on a revised order I am all ears. Long alert half-elven ears.

Thanks for any input in advance,
And Happy Holidays!

-Sosoft

Modifié par Sosoft, 29 décembre 2010 - 08:45 .

[igneous.sponge]

Just so you know, you'll need to start a new game once you have all your mods in order.

Alright, then. Here's the BiG World setup guide. It's quite hefty, but it's a good reference when it comes to install order.

From a quick glance, your install order looks mostly fine. All I'd recommend would be to move Item Upgrade before Kelsey (just after the Fixpack), and to replace Redemption with The Longer Road (an updated version of the same mod).

[Son of Imoen]

*sorry, right post in the wrong topic*

Modifié par Son of Imoen, 30 décembre 2010 - 11:26 .

[moilami]

Sosoft wrote...

 Along with The collection edition, I even bought an old copy of SoA that came with the printed manual. It is a behemoth and I have read it all. Twice. Ok, ok, not the spells.

Wow that is some hefty collection of mods! Hopefully you get your installation to work.

And spell(ing) police says you better read the spell descriptions Mages are even more OP in BG2 than in DA! And there are druids and clerics too.

Good luck and have fun in your adventure!


Edit: Just noticed you don't have Wide Screen mod. I would recommend you to try it. With it BG2 becomes a whole new art revealed. Standard resolutions show too little of the art. Better get bigger picture!

Modifié par moilami, 30 décembre 2010 - 01:08 .

[Sosoft]

Hey, that is really great everyone!

Igneous.sponge, I downloaded The Longer Road at your suggestion and I will move Item Upgrade to before Kelsey just after Fixpack. Thanks for the tips!

Son of Imoen, ... I will take that as you had the inclination to help... but you just were prepared to help out somebody else more!

Moilami, I hope it is not too hefty. I have seen some people with some really long lists so I thought I was being somewhat modest. I also want to try it more or less like it was released but with some real gems thrown in.

Where should I place the Widescreen Mod in your opinion. I am pretty sure it is WeiDu so does that mean it doesn't matter too much? Can I place it second to last? Oh, and I did read the first level spells and will make sure I stay on top of them when I actually get going. Thanks for emphasizing their importance though. *bows*

Thanks again to all and to all a Good Night!

-Sosoft

Modifié par Sosoft, 30 décembre 2010 - 11:06 .

[igneous.sponge]

Sosoft wrote...

I hope it is not too hefty.

It isn't, don't worry. It's possible to run the game playably with literally hundreds of mods installed at the same time.

Where should I place the Widescreen Mod in your opinion. I am pretty sure it is WeiDu so does that mean it doesn't matter too much?

Yeah, pretty much. I'd recommend you install it last, so that if you change your mind on what resolution you want, you can re-install without fuss.

[Sosoft]

Thanks Igneous.sponge!
I just read someplace that The Longer Road might not be compatible with Turnabout. Anyone know if that is correct? Oh, and can The Widescreen Mod go last or next to last? Or, If i place it just before Tweak Pack am I stuck with it? Is that what you were saying Igneous.sponge?

Thanks Much in advance,

-Sosoft

Modifié par Sosoft, 31 décembre 2010 - 05:06 .

[igneous.sponge]

Sosoft wrote...

I just read someplace that The Longer Road might not be compatible with Turnabout. Anyone know if that is correct?

Link, please.

Oh, and can The Widescreen Mod go last or next to last? Or, If i place it just before Tweak Pack am I stuck with it?

No, you won't be stuck with it if you install Widescreen before BG2 Tweaks, so feel free if that's your inclination.

Keep in mind, though, that should you change your mind about what Widescreen resolution you want, WeiDU will have to uninstall and re-install your Tweak Pack components. I can't think of a situation off-hand where this would be a problem, but I thought I'd mention it, anyway.

[Sosoft]

Ok, and if I place Widescreen Mod after Tweak Pack that wouldn't be the issue?

And here is the link... Look for the 4th post down, 2nd sentence by Kulyok.

forums.pocketplane.net/index.php/topic,17556.75.html

Thanks again,

-Sosoft

Modifié par Sosoft, 31 décembre 2010 - 07:25 .

[igneous.sponge]

Sosoft wrote...

Ok, and if I place Widescreen Mod after Tweak Pack that wouldn't be the issue?

Yes, but it's not an issue.

(Honestly, I should've just kept my mouth shut. Install Widescreen and BG2 Tweaks in whatever order you feel like. Widescreen is order-independent.)

And here is the link... Look for the 4th post down, 2nd sentence by Kulyok.

Alright, from some quick research, it appears the two mods aren't technically incompatible, and they're listed as fine together in the BiG World setup guide. However, I did find an old post from Bons detailing some compatibility issues (e.g., missing epilogues). I'm guessing that's what motivated Kulyok's post. Unfortunately, there's very little information to be found.

I have an idea, though. I was hesitant to suggest this at first—I didn't want to add even more to your plate—but you can download and install the BiG World Fixpack. This isn't a mod as such. It's an actively-maintained compilation of fixes for mods, themselves. You can install the BiG World Fixpack before your other mods to iron out any known bugs or incompatibility issues they may have present (including those of Questpack).

So, give that a go, and if you run into any trouble or need more detailed instructions, post back in the thread.

[Sosoft]

Roger on the widescreen mod.

One question, where should i place the Big World Fixpack? I know you said before my mods, which might mean even before Ascension and the G3 BGII Fixpack, or did you mean just after those but before all my other mods? It does look like BGII Fixpack is included in Big World, I am not sure about Ascension, but I am going to say therefore you were encouraging me to place it right after the official patch?

*wondering*

-Sosoft

Modifié par Sosoft, 31 décembre 2010 - 03:42 .

[igneous.sponge]

Sosoft wrote...

One question, where should i place the Big World Fixpack?

The BiG World Fixpack isn't actually part of the install order. As I mentioned, this fixpack isn't a mod; at least, not in the traditional sense. Its function is to check your game folder for other mods and their respective folders. If it finds any mods for which it contains fixes, it will patch the concerned mods' files.

It is important to understand, then, that the BiG World Fixpack affects mods, whereas mods affect the game. As a result, the BiG World Fixpack must be installed before any other mods, including Ascension and the G3 Fixpack.

To install the BiG World Fixpack, follow these steps...

• Unpack all your mods to your BG2 folder (e.g., C:/Games/Black Isle/BGII - SoA). Do not install any of them just yet.
• Download the BiG World Fixpack and extract the contents of the archive to your BG2 folder.
• Download the latest version of WeiDU. Extract 'WeiDU.exe' to your BG2 folder.
• By now, you should have a file called 'BiG World Fixpack.bat' sitting in your BG2 folder. Double-click it and follow the prompts to install the BiG World Fixpack.

Afterwards, you can install of your other mods, as usual.

Modifié par igneous.sponge, 01 janvier 2011 - 10:53 .

[Flamedance]

Just a small note: Turnabout and Longer Road work along just fine in my Big World Tactics install. Tbh: if you want less of a headache installing mods, i strongly advise you to use the BWP installer. Not only are there several different install options, nowadays you can even modify those options and remove mods you don't want.

[Sosoft]

Wow, that was great igneous.sponge.

So I think I will first load my SoA and ToB discs, then make sure they are patched, then follow your directions.

I am still a little foggy when you say it is not actually part of the install order but then maybe SoA, ToB, and patch 26498 are not really considered part of the install order either. ie. they just automatically go first. Perhaps I will understand more once I actually do all of this.

At any rate I feel I do have enough information to give this all a go and that is what I was after. Thanks so much for the step by step instructions. I am taking screenshots now for archival purposes! *smile*

Flamedance, thanks for your contribution as well. I might just go with Turnabout for now anyway. I do want to try the game more or less vanilla before I go all out with mods.

I do appreciate the advice to install BigWorld. I just have read of a number of people having problems getting it going. They do seem to eventually and then are very happy, but maybe I will save that for my second go round.

I appreciate the community's helpfullness and my best to both of you,

-Sosoft

Modifié par Sosoft, 02 janvier 2011 - 05:24 .

[igneous.sponge]

Sosoft wrote...

I am still a little foggy when you say it is not actually part of the install order [...]

Pretty much because unlike mods, it doesn't affect the game, and doesn't show up in your WeiDU.log. It doesn't really get 'installed'—it just patches mod files with fixes.

Flamedance wrote...

Tbh: if you want less of a headache installing mods, i strongly advise you to use the BWP installer.

For a player using mods for the first time, I'd probably advise against the BiG World Setup, actually, and to try a manual installation. It's a good way to help players learn how mods work and what it takes to install them, through a more hands-on approach. It also encourages players to consult the mods' documentation, a very good habit to get into.

Not to say the BiG World Setup is bad or anything. Definitely not, it's a very good option. I just think it's a tool better reserved for those attempting mega-installs.