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[Zulu_DFA]

darth_lopez wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Yeah sure, just look at the ME2 comebacks of Garrus and Tali:


Garrus:

I tried go for spectre again, didn't work out, so here I am.
=OR=
I tried go to back to C-Sec, didn't work out, so here I am.



Tali:

You gave me those Geth files, lol!
=OR=
[nothing]

That's great continuity, character development and what not.

What do you have to add? Garrus and Tali were important for ME2 and you know it, they had to return, they had to be in a position in order to join Shepard. Their variables passed from ME1 and ME2, expecting drastic changes would be naive. In ME3, all that has to happen is for dead squaddies to disappear, it's as easy as that.

They didn't have to return at all, not even as cameos. Neither did the VS. But they were all thrown in to please their fanboys.

That said, Garrus could have had an awesome cameo in place of Captain Bailey, and there could have been two completely different Garruses: one playing by-the-books paragon, and the other playing "badass" renegade. By ME3 he could've become the chief of C-Sec (oh yeah, Bailey's role again). Instead of all that, he contracted the "suicide mission" terminal disease.

Garrus continue working at C-Sec? Did you pay no attention to ME 1 garrus? He hated the place and approved of Renegade shepard actions. That would have Totally out of Character For him Completely even if it was a cameo the. The only cameo role for garrus that is in his character would've been to come across him during spectre training or in the field as a spectre Again that's what you can get from ME 1 garrus. The dude hates Red Tape and the bull**** tied up with C-Sec this is made blatantly obvious in ME 1 when he quits his job at C-sec Dear Lord sir! you should feel ashamed of your self for suggesting he return to a job he hates.

Aside from the fact, that one of the possible outcomes of those talks with him in ME1 was his firm decision to return to C-Sec, he could have returned there even if "renegaded". See, in the aftermath of the Battle of the Citadel, there was a shortage of C-Sec officers, so even Human crooks like Bailey could land the job of a Ward station Captain. Renegade Garrus could really enjoy reshaping C-Sec into a more efficient / less bureaucratic force.

darth_lopez wrote...

Tali's Role as daughter of an Admiral is unmistakeable, It's also something we find out about in ME 1, She is essentially a vital quarian political asset. If we're setting the stage for Geth/Quarian Peace or war in ME 2 it makes total sense and is almost a requirement shepard pick tali up again her influence over the quarian people is unmistakeably necessary. if she does not return in ME 3 it's likely she'll make a cameo as an Admiral on the Admiralty board and if she doesn't i'm willing to bet there's a 75% chance she ends becoming admiral Mid-ME 3.

So it would have made total sense for Tali to pursue a political carrer and remain on the Neema (which AFAIK is one of the three great live-ships) after the conclusion of her pilgimage. Well, perhaps doing important missions for the Migrant fleet is a good way of making a poloitical career too, but now, after she contracted the "suicide mission" terminal decease, there is 0% chance she can become a canon admiral. Sure, she can become one in your game, but in mine there'll be another admiral in that place, which makes it impossible for BioWare to build up much further on Tali's admiralty.

darth_lopez wrote...

So yes for the story telling purposes in ME 2 Garrus and Tali were totally necessary if they wanted to remotely set stage forGeth/quarian Peace, The uneccessary characters in the Party to appease fans were Grunt and Legion.


While legion can also be integral in Geth/Quarian Peace he seems to have been an after thought with the only loyalty mission that has a 50-50 chance of not being possible to complete Grunts Sole Purpose was to join Clan Urdnot that is all.

Grunt was designed from the start to be a mini wrex, they even compare him to wrex in game. and Legion was there to satisfy everyone who wanted a geth onboard their normandy because their were plenty of posts in the old ME 1 forums about Give us a Geth. Which sounded like the most ridicuolous thing ever. While BW pulled it off well it was
certaintly the most obvious appeal to the fans ever, Along with Making Garrus and Tali remanceable but when those are like the only 2 romances that work well for most people i'm willing to bet that BW intended that the older party members have more romantic/cute scense and the romances were actually intended well before fans demanded it.

Negative on Tali and Garrus necessity on the squad.

Afirmative on Grunt, he was totally redudnant, a bone thrown to Wrex' fanboys.

Negative on Legion. Like Mordin, he is tied into the story of the trilogy and has all the reason to be in the second chapter. That's why these two characters are the most popular of the ME2 squadmates with the general audience. Of course, BioWare did try to make them amuzing, so they could be loved even more.

As to the Legion being an "afterthought", are you nuts? Legion was in the teaser trailer for ME2! And Legion's loyalty mission is the most important of them all, as it makes the decision to send Legion to Cerberus or activate him at par with the Rachni queen choice in ME1.

But both Legion and Mordin have played their parts now, so any kind of their comeback in ME3 will be likely more fan service than not.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 31 décembre 2010 - 10:03 .

[darth_lopez]

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

[quote]darth_lopez wrote...

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

[quote]Phaedon wrote...

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

Yeah sure, just look at the ME2 comebacks of Garrus and Tali:


Garrus:

I tried go for spectre again, didn't work out, so here I am.
=OR=
I tried go to back to C-Sec, didn't work out, so here I am.



Tali:

You gave me those Geth files, lol!
=OR=
[nothing]

That's great continuity, character development and what not.
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What do you have to add? Garrus and Tali were important for ME2 and you know it, they had to return, they had to be in a position in order to join Shepard. Their variables passed from ME1 and ME2, expecting drastic changes would be naive. In ME3, all that has to happen is for dead squaddies to disappear, it's as easy as that.
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They didn't have to return at all, not even as cameos. Neither did the VS. But they were all thrown in to please their fanboys.

That said, Garrus could have had an awesome cameo in place of Captain Bailey, and there could have been two completely different Garruses: one playing by-the-books paragon, and the other playing "badass" renegade. By ME3 he could've become the chief of C-Sec (oh yeah, Bailey's role again). Instead of all that, he contracted the "suicide mission" terminal disease.
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Garrus continue working at C-Sec? Did you pay no attention to ME 1 garrus? He hated the place and approved of Renegade shepard actions. That would have Totally out of Character For him Completely even if it was a cameo the. The only cameo role for garrus that is in his character would've been to come across him during spectre training or in the field as a spectre Again that's what you can get from ME 1 garrus. The dude hates Red Tape and the bull**** tied up with C-Sec this is made blatantly obvious in ME 1 when he quits his job at C-sec Dear Lord sir! you should feel ashamed of your self for suggesting he return to a job he hates.[/quote]
Aside from the fact, that one of the possible outcomes of those talks with him in ME1 was his firm decision to return to C-Sec, he could have returned there even if "renegaded". See, in the aftermath of the Battle of the Citadel, there was a shortage of C-Sec officers, so even Human crooks like Bailey could land the job of a Ward station Captain. Renegade Garrus could really enjoy reshaping C-Sec into a more efficient / less bureaucratic force.
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the only outcome after killing doctor heart is that he no longer wants to return to c-sec. and would prefer seeking out spectre training. He has been willing to quite c-sec multiple times, returning after a spectre mission would be out of character for garrus that's it.
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[quote]darth_lopez wrote...

Tali's Role as daughter of an Admiral is unmistakeable, It's also something we find out about in ME 1, She is essentially a vital quarian political asset. If we're setting the stage for Geth/Quarian Peace or war in ME 2 it makes total sense and is almost a requirement shepard pick tali up again her influence over the quarian people is unmistakeably necessary. if she does not return in ME 3 it's likely she'll make a cameo as an Admiral on the Admiralty board and if she doesn't i'm willing to bet there's a 75% chance she ends becoming admiral Mid-ME 3.
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So it would have made total sense for Tali to pursue a political carrer and remain on the Neema (which AFAIK is one of the three great live-ships) after the conclusion of her pilgimage. Well, perhaps doing important missions for the Migrant fleet is a good way of making a poloitical career too, but now, after she contracted the "suicide mission" terminal decease, there is 0% chance she can become a canon admiral. Sure, she can become one in your game, but in mine there'll be another admiral in that place, which makes it impossible for BioWare to build up much further on Tali's admiralty.
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Most political leaders, prior to career politicians, Have a military career, Considering that Tali would be in the running for Admiralty, technically a military position, It makes sense that she conducted military operations with the Quarian Forces. Perhaps if she was running for the conlcave staying aboard the neema would make more sense as that's the actual public government. Furthermore if anything from playing ME you should realize that Cannon means almost nothing in this universe the player sets their own cannon. What BW choses to make into a movie or claim is cannon is their doing but so long as it affects shepard and his squad there is no real cannon in the game, unless you're talking about the default shepards? in which case BW could totally make tali survive by default and she could be come a 'canon' admiral in ME 3.

your playthrough doesn't determine canonocity for everyone just you.


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[quote]darth_lopez wrote...

So yes for the story telling purposes in ME 2 Garrus and Tali were totally necessary if they wanted to remotely set stage forGeth/quarian Peace, The uneccessary characters in the Party to appease fans were Grunt and Legion.


While legion can also be integral in Geth/Quarian Peace he seems to have been an after thought with the only loyalty mission that has a 50-50 chance of not being possible to complete Grunts Sole Purpose was to join Clan Urdnot that is all.

Grunt was designed from the start to be a mini wrex, they even compare him to wrex in game. and Legion was there to satisfy everyone who wanted a geth onboard their normandy because their were plenty of posts in the old ME 1 forums about Give us a Geth. Which sounded like the most ridicuolous thing ever. While BW pulled it off well it was
certaintly the most obvious appeal to the fans ever, Along with Making Garrus and Tali remanceable but when those are like the only 2 romances that work well for most people i'm willing to bet that BW intended that the older party members have more romantic/cute scense and the romances were actually intended well before fans demanded it.
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Negative on Tali and Garrus necessity on the squad.

Afirmative on Grunt, he was totally redudnant, a bone thrown to Wrex' fanboys.

Negative on Legion. Like Mordin, he is tied into the story of the trilogy and has all the reason to be in the second chapter. That's why these two characters are the most popular of the ME2 squadmates with the general audience. Of course, BioWare did try to make them amuzing, so they could be loved even more.

As to the Legion being an "afterthought", are you nuts? Legion was in the teaser trailer for ME2! And Legion's loyalty mission is the most important of them all, as it makes the decision to send Legion to Cerberus or activate him at par with the Rachni queen choice in ME1.

But both Legion and Mordin have played their parts now, so any kind of their comeback in ME3 will be likely more fan service than not.
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Garrus is not necessary from the story telling aspect no i should have left him out.  But he is someone from sheps old squad, typically, and would no doubt add to emotional feelings in the game. He's there for emotional impact not story telling.

Tali's necessity as a pol pot is far more important than legions. Mostly because Legions Loyalty quest has a very slim window of opportunity and it is entirely possible that you won't be able to do his loyalty quest. Bad chronological position for possibly the second most important loyalty quest in the game = after thought. his similarity to the rachni queen, while striking, is uneccessary and goes to further demonstrate Legions existence as an after thought mirroring the events of the rachni queen just so perfectly.

Teaser trailers are not substantial evidence of importance. Who was it featured in the sacred ash's trailer for DA:O? Sten, Morrigan, and Liliana. Out of those characters the only important to the story one was morrigan. Sten was bland and unecessary for story progression, so much to the point you could just leave him behind to die, Liliana was a pathological liar and also totally uneccessary to the plot.  with the logic i saw it in a teaser trailer, Thane and Garrus are just as important as legion as they were also featured in a trailer or advertising pic of some kind. It would also imply Big-Ben a necessary character in ME 3, a man who is obviously dying slowly, stimpack use means obvious lack of medi-gel bandaged bloody leg and 3- 4 reapers just outside his clock tower, should by no means survive that situation. If he can then by all means the council needs to fire shepard and get that man to do shepards job as he's obviously proven himself more valuable and powerful than the story line hero.

i'm glad we both agree on grunt and mordin

[PiEman]

_000Darkstar wrote...

I agree 100% with you, and while that might be due to the fact that I'm drunk right now, I would probably still agree while sober. It doesn't make sense for any of them to die while on the SM except if you want them to be, and if that's the case then those that do kill off particular squaddies, then they have no reason to complain about it.

Alright, I lol'd.

[darth_lopez]

PiEman wrote...

_000Darkstar wrote...

I agree 100% with you, and while that might be due to the fact that I'm drunk right now, I would probably still agree while sober. It doesn't make sense for any of them to die while on the SM except if you want them to be, and if that's the case then those that do kill off particular squaddies, then they have no reason to complain about it.

Alright, I lol'd.

well so long as you get  everyone loayl and stick with the confirmed specialists you are perfectly good and his statement is totally correct

[ScotOfClanDonald]

I love how some folks seem to think that drawing up a companion for a full game's worth of squadmate interaction is really, quite no problem when the developers themselves say that it's one of the hardest things, if not the hardest thing, that they do in the game dev cycle.



Plus, the desire to punish people who lost teammates in previous games, or even start with the series on the third game seems pretty strong, if we're to be relying solely or mostly on our previous companions. What happens if you didn't play ME2 or ME1 at all? There's exactly 0% chance that Bioware will make the game playable only by people who bought the previous games, so who do they get in their squad? Liara and Big Ben and nobody else? Having alternates for each previous squaddie is even more prohibitively resource-intensive.



Come on, people.

[lazuli]

ScotOfClanDonald wrote...
What happens if you didn't play ME2 or ME1 at all? There's exactly 0% chance that Bioware will make the game playable only by people who bought the previous games, so who do they get in their squad? Liara and Big Ben and nobody else? Having alternates for each previous squaddie is even more prohibitively resource-intensive.

Come on, people.

They will have to include a default Shepard for you to use if you have no import options.  I would imagine Bioware would have the majority of the team survive in this default option, though with how awful the default Shepard was in ME2, who can say?

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

ScotOfClanDonald wrote...

I love how some folks seem to think that drawing up a companion for a full game's worth of squadmate interaction is really, quite no problem when the developers themselves say that it's one of the hardest things, if not the hardest thing, that they do in the game dev cycle.



Plus, the desire to punish people who lost teammates in previous games, or even start with the series on the third game seems pretty strong, if we're to be relying solely or mostly on our previous companions. What happens if you didn't play ME2 or ME1 at all? There's exactly 0% chance that Bioware will make the game playable only by people who bought the previous games, so who do they get in their squad? Liara and Big Ben and nobody else? Having alternates for each previous squaddie is even more prohibitively resource-intensive.



Come on, people.

They'll most likely have a 'Default' Shep just as they did for ME2. Though if it follows the route I've placed on a couple of topics on the forums, then default Shep might be in for a tough battle as I had them coming out with only a few of the squadmates if they had Default Shep sticking to the same principles default ME2 shep had (no left side renegade/paragon choices made, only neutral or right renegade choices made), no sidequests done, no DLC done.

It makes more sense for old squadmates to be brought back and new squadmates be limited to people we've met before or might have an idea of due to them being in comics or books. That way a large chunk of the stuff is already dealt with.

[ScotOfClanDonald]

lazuli wrote...

They will have to include a default Shepard for you to use if you have no import options.  I would imagine Bioware would have the majority of the team survive in this default option, though with how awful the default Shepard was in ME2, who can say?

Seems pretty unlikely.  They want the game to be playable, and understandable, by a new player.  Occam's Razor suggests that they'll simply have mostly a new set of squadmates that old and new players alike can be introduced to at the same time.

There's no question that our old squadmates will have a featured role in some capacity, but expecting all (or even most) of them to come back as squadmates is just not plausible from a business and gameplay perspective.

Default Shepard probably got most of his team killed.  It was a suicide mission, after all.

[Kane-Corr]

As long as I get Miranda and Garrus then I am sooooo golden. Pretty good chance of that too.

[ScotOfClanDonald]

Kane-Corr wrote...

As long as I get Miranda and Garrus then I am sooooo golden. Pretty good chance of that too.

Honestly, I wouldn't hold my breath for them.  One, it's going to be a year before the game comes out (heh, sorry), and two, unless they can come up with a way to re-use the resources (Morinth style) if the character is dead.  With Miranda, it's quite possible, since she has a twin sister.  Garrus?  I'm not sure how common twins are in Turian biology.

[Kane-Corr]

ScotOfClanDonald wrote...

Kane-Corr wrote...

As long as I get Miranda and Garrus then I am sooooo golden. Pretty good chance of that too.

Honestly, I wouldn't hold my breath for them.  One, it's going to be a year before the game comes out (heh, sorry), and two, unless they can come up with a way to re-use the resources (Morinth style) if the character is dead.  With Miranda, it's quite possible, since she has a twin sister.  Garrus?  I'm not sure how common twins are in Turian biology.

Why not? It's the final game....gives Bioware more breathing room to end things. Plus, honestly....where else do they have to go? Miranda=glued to Shepard.....Garrus=glued to Shepard. They both have no ties to anyone or anything anymore. Shep is their lifeline to anything these days.

[darth_lopez]

Kane-Corr wrote...

ScotOfClanDonald wrote...

Kane-Corr wrote...

As long as I get Miranda and Garrus then I am sooooo golden. Pretty good chance of that too.

Honestly,
I wouldn't hold my breath for them.  One, it's going to be a year
before the game comes out (heh, sorry), and two, unless they can come up
with a way to re-use the resources (Morinth style) if the character is
dead.  With Miranda, it's quite possible, since she has a twin sister.
 Garrus?  I'm not sure how common twins are in Turian biology.

Why
not? It's the final game....gives Bioware more breathing room to end
things. Plus, honestly....where else do they have to go? Miranda=glued
to Shepard.....Garrus=glued to Shepard. They both have no ties to anyone
or anything anymore. Shep is their lifeline to anything these days.

that can be said for Mordin, Grunt, Thane, Jacob, Joker, Tali(if exiled), Jack.
So yeah While it makes total sense to complete or half complete a party
for the final segment of a trilogy apparently most people don't think
it's a reasonable desire or even plausible to have the characters
imported even though the Check for importation really shouldn't be more
than a simple true/false check.

Where it gets complicaited for
the devs is in the addition of content related to those characters ,
thorugh in 4 or 5 between mission convos for each character and that'll
do, given this is the final installation i don't expect to spend 50% of
the game gathering a new team let alone 25% getting introduced and
another 15% solving their problems-.- that could just be me...though i'm
pretty sure the majority of Casual Gamers would agree with me, infact
i'm pretty sure the majority of writers would agree with me that team
gathering/character introduction shouldn't be a priority in the final
installment of a trilogy. Infact i'm pretty sure most people would agree
that a finale that consists of building new characters is not the
appropriate type of finale for an action oriented shooter rpg.

most of this has been in response to scot of clan donald

Furthermore the argument that BW wouldn't make the game playable for newbs is flawed they did it for ME 2 they did it for the PS 3 keep up with your news and go start a default character on ME 2.  BW and EA want these games accessible fun and sellable. Revamping the structure of a trilogy is not sellable fun or good for ratings when it fails. Pissing off fans is also not recommended and given that, apparently as brought up earlier. 

My god. What irks me is that i'm willing to bet half the people who say importing squadies is implausible or impossible support Multiplayer in ME 3 >.< something that has no grounds in the game series at all and would take sooo much effort to fix and would probably be screwed over by DICE influence. Apparenlty making a network for thousands of fans to play on is far easier than importing upto 12 characters My Bad.

EDIT:
Also they wouldn't need to sub characters Morinth/samara style. Character = dead simply leave them red greyed out. done. 3-4 new squdies to acount for dead ones Done. Perhaps even cut like 4 potentially surviving squadies because they have other priorities. the only ones that really need to be with shepard for consistency/story sake are:
Mordin, tali, garrus, miranda, jacob, legion. all else are expendable. especially thane, being terminally ill and all him and zaeed would be the easiest to kick out, followed by samarra and kasumi then grunt

Modifié par darth_lopez, 01 janvier 2011 - 09:11 .

[Evelinessa]

savaged49 wrote...

I dont know if this has been said already, but since Thane was already dying in Mass Effect 2 its simple to account for him in dialogue either he died between the two games or at the collecter base, heck maybe his son will replace him on your squad.

Not necessarily targeted at you but, I doubt that they would kill Thane off in between games. And why does everyone think Kolyat will replace him? Kolyat doesn't have any combat experience and the whole point of Thane's loyalty mission was to keep his son out of this sort of stuff. I would hate to go over a dying man's wish like that.

Also, I believe that BioWare said that they're treating all LI's equally so they're either all coming back or none of them are coming back. It could go either way because there are the characters that are harder to come back(like Thane) that might bring everyone down, but then there are the LI's that are more likely to return(Liara, Ashley/Kaidan) that will bring everyone up.

What I want is for the LI's to return and for Mordin and Legion(more likely that he will be trying to get the geth to join us though) to stay on the Normandy for conversations(even if they arn't squadmates).

Garrus is a must for me though.

I think that BioWare will at least bring some of the characters back because this is the final part of the trilogy and they said themselves that because there will be no ME4 to import to so they can go all crazy in different directions(I'm still not sure how different they'll really be). I doubt all of them will be returning though.

[Evelinessa]

Mezzil wrote...

Evelinessa wrote...

Also, I believe that BioWare said that they're treating all LI's equally so they're either all coming back or none of them are coming back. It could go either way because there are the characters that are harder to come back(like Thane) that might bring everyone down, but then there are the LI's that are more likely to return(Liara, Ashley/Kaidan) that will bring everyone up.

Yes. David Gaider stated they could not bring back Alistair as party member for Awakening because he's a love interest. If he was brought back, the players that had a different love interst would go bonkers. You see how even though Liara can't die, she didn't make into the ME2 squad. It's all or nothing with the LIs.

Thus, Kasumi, Grunt, Samara, Modrin, Zaeed, Legion have the better chances to return.. Legion has the best because Bioware can just say the geth made Legion a new plaform if it was killed. Kasumi actually has a better chance than people assume. Few people pay to get DLC, but that just means she remains alive for most people.

Yes, but also one reason that the ME1 LI's couldn't be squadmates in ME2 is because BioWare wanted them to be alive for ME3. Which is hinting a big role for them in ME3. We already know what happen's with Liara but she may become a squadmate for part of the game. And they can't bring back the ME1 LI's and not the ME2 LI's so that might give them a chance. Each LI has had one game for them to be in(except Garrus and Tali, who were in both games but are only romanceble in ME2) and I think they should all become squadmates in ME3. The best solution for BioWare would be to make all LI's squadmates because if they only bring back certain LI's(like Liara and Ashley/Kaidan) they will get alot of backlash BUT if they don't bring back any LI's they can expect to get alot of backlash too. It would be most profitable for them to bring all romances back and it will please the most fans which will equal more money for them.

I agree with this and I never thought that way about Kasumi. So yeah, she could be in ME3. I want to see if anything comes from letting her keep the Greybox or not. A little off topic, but I really hope they don't go the Awakening "fan favorite" route. I never liked Oghren(I don't really dislike any ME character though). I still haven't been able to get myself to play that game even though I owned it since close to release. But, Awakening was just an expansion pack. I'm sure they could do much more with squadmates in a full game like ME3. I'm still doubtful though.

[darth_lopez]

you make a point on thane Evlinessa, i doubt bioware would illiminate him off screen, i'm just saying that his back story does give them a lot of leeway to illiminate him off screen. I'm off the opinion we'll be seeing all survivng ME 2 squad members, who are not DLC conected. Though i do hope samara is dropped offscreen cameo would be good but i don't like samara/morinth they were a very corny obviously jedi/sith character. Those two just pissed me off >.< but i'm sure that all the love interests will be back, as BW has warned cheating on LIs could have reprucussions in ME 3. I'm fairly certain that our Party will comeback, lets face it if they weren't trying to discern which party members to keep and axe, or essentially anything else they want to import, they wouldn't be monitoring our gameplay statistics. And i'm fairly certain that ME 2 like DA:O monitors and tracks gameplay statistics, it just does it secretly

[Mister_Tez]

darth_lopez wrote...

And i'm fairly certain that ME 2 like DA:O monitors and tracks gameplay statistics, it just does it secretly

It does track & report our stats. There is an option for it in the menu if you want to disable it, so it's not done secretly or anything: It tells you it's doing it, & lets you turn it off if you want. It's all anon., and BioWare have talked about the stats previously.

[Phaedon]

To make a short pause, do we all agree that it is possible ?

[lazuli]

Phaedon wrote...

To make a short pause, do we all agree that it is possible ?

I confess ignorance on the specifics of game development, but I should think that it would be possible to bring back the ME2 squadmates in a significant way, given the appropriate amount of resources and time.

[Phaedon]

I believe that a good example for Bioware's use of flags is using Gibbed's Save Editor. A single click and tadaaa, Legion has been recruited.

[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

To make a short pause, do we all agree that it is possible ?

Yes it's possible. It's possible to have a hundred bots available for recruitment into thirty squad slots. Replayability, FTW!!!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 02 janvier 2011 - 06:15 .

[Uszi]

Phaedon wrote...

To make a short pause, do we all agree that it is possible ?

I suppose anything is possible.

I
think that the reason most people freaked out when they learned ME3 was
coming out so soon is we all automatically assumed that our entire
squad, or at least most of the squad, would come back.

Now, they seem stretched for time?  Can they do it?

I
personally have faith that they will.  I don't think they would push
the game out because of some sort of pre-existing 2 year deadline if the
result was going to be so underwhelming as to not include any previous
squadmates.

ScotOfClanDonald wrote...

lazuli wrote...

They will have to include a default Shepard for you to use if you have no import options.  I would imagine Bioware would have the majority of the team survive in this default option, though with how awful the default Shepard was in ME2, who can say?

Seems pretty unlikely.  They want the game to be playable, and understandable, by a new player.  Occam's Razor suggests that they'll simply have mostly a new set of squadmates that old and new players alike can be introduced to at the same time.
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Default Shepard probably got most of his team killed.  It was a suicide mission, after all.

I would say this makes sense, except that Bioware released that whole interactive comic thing to address how crappy the system of sticking you with a specific playthrough as a new player would be, and how inadequately they introduced brand new players to the universe.

I'm pretty sure we'll have some sort of skipable interaction where you can walk through the suicide mission.  Or not.  And if you don't, default to nearly everyone dying.

[darth_lopez]

Mister_Tez wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

And i'm fairly certain that ME 2 like DA:O monitors and tracks gameplay statistics, it just does it secretly

It does track & report our stats. There is an option for it in the menu if you want to disable it, so it's not done secretly or anything: It tells you it's doing it, & lets you turn it off if you want. It's all anon., and BioWare have talked about the stats previously.

ty for confirmation of that, i could've swore i saw it in the options but since i first played the game and rigged everything to my liking i've rarely gone into the options XD

Phaedon wrote...
To make a short pause, do we all agree that it is possible ?

Oh of course it's certaintly possible i'm pretty sure most people posting and discussing at this point would agree it's possible. The problem is not everyone thinks it's feasible when it certaintly should be, at least to simply import the party characters over into ME 3. with out taking consideration for a few payments to returning VAs and maybe a continuation of mordins loyalty quest, along with tali and legions, and perhaps a slight remodling and tweaking of the characters, it certaintly shouldn't be a daunting prospect.

Modifié par darth_lopez, 02 janvier 2011 - 07:18 .

[evil-pineapples]

lazuli wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

To make a short pause, do we all agree that it is possible ?

I confess ignorance on the specifics of game development, but I should think that it would be possible to bring back the ME2 squadmates in a significant way, given the appropriate amount of resources and time.

Anything is possible with sufficient time and money. The problem is that the good men and women at BioWare may or may not have those things at their disposal. We just don't know.

Two things that many of you aren't considering:
*New players. Anyone who picks up ME3 without having played the two previous games needs to have some kind of connection to their squad. BioWare needs to spend time and resources fleshing out the squad for these players. It's not all about the uber-fans. (It should be, but it's not.)
*The suicide mission. No, I'm not talking about squad deaths. I'm talking about Shepard. It's possible to kill Shepard on the suicide mission. What the hell is BioWare going to do about that?

Here's hoping for a 3 or 4 disc epic conclusion to the trilogy with all variables taken into account!

[evil-pineapples]

Oops, double post...

Modifié par evil-pineapples, 03 janvier 2011 - 11:19 .