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[Fiery Phoenix]

darth_lopez wrote...

Incapacitation = uselessness

He becomes raw cameo potential or a third joker, and we already have 2 jokers(EDI) while he may not be dead it is certaintly grounds to dismiss him.

I'm not going to argue with that because I never denied it in the first place. If ME3 is going to take place more than a year after ME2 (which apparently it will), then I don't expect to see Thane as a fully functional squadmate. He will, however, make an appearance and I'm 100% sure of that. Why? Simple. He's a love interest. And one of the best at that.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 06 janvier 2011 - 04:28 .

[Alienmorph]

I linked the wiki page with the dossier in my previous post. Seems that doing phisical activity and being mentally stimulated is the best thing to enslow the syndrome's decourse. So yes, he's not just able to fight, but it's even recomended.

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

Incapacitation = uselessness

He
becomes raw cameo potential or a third joker, and we already have 2
jokers(EDI) while he may not be dead it is certaintly grounds to dismiss
him.

I'm not going to argue with that because I never
denied it in the first place. If ME3 is going to take place more than a
year after ME2 (which apparently it will), then I don't expect to see
Thane as a fully functional squadmate. He will, however, make an
appearance and I'm 100% sure of that. Why? Simple. He's a love interest.
And one of the best at that.

That's why I don't expect a too exagerated timeshift. Thera are rumors about the dead of a squadmate in beginning of ME3... might be Thane. At least BW should let to the girls who romanced him to see his death.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 06 janvier 2011 - 04:30 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Phaedon wrote...

What will the symptoms be anyway? Maybe he will still be capable of fighting?

Good question indeed, but I'm afraid I can't even speculate. It's all in the writers' hands.

I was just clarifying that Thane will not die in a year.

[Alienmorph]

the Dossier wrote...

Thane's Medical Report From Dr. Chakwas



Lung Capacity: 42% (left-side lung shows large lesions, right lung has nodular lesions only)



Antibiotic treatment: Now resistant to cipoxidin, malanarin, alburcin



Metastatic progress: stomach, liver (minor), heart (negligible at this time)



Treatment Options: Viable transplant candidate but refused to be added to list - Synthetic lung generation currently impossible for drell



Therapy and Care: At this time, Mr. Krios should continue getting regular cardiovascular exercise in order to stimulate lung movement and prevent or delay the stiffness that causes lack of oxygen transport. While physical stimulation may also be beneficial in keeping tissue flexible, any injury at this point will dramatically impact Mr. Krios' body and cause rapid degeneration. It is unclear how much longer Thane will be able to serve in direct action. Thane should continue to wear loose clothing that leaves his chest uncovered to prevent moisture buildup that could worsen the problem



The drell eidetic memory is often beneficial in allowing drell to escape unpleasant scenes by losing themselves in happier times. In this case, however, Mr. Krios should try to restrict the time spent reminiscing as prolonged sedentary activity increase the rate of lung degradation.



This suggests that what is best for Mr. Krios currently is to continue to remain active and engage with other team members in order to stay mentally and emotionally stimulated. .

Seems he might left even less than an year, but also that keep fighting ad interactin with the team is the best thing to contrastate at least a little the Kepral's Syndrome...

[darth_lopez]

So it would seem the drell has momentarily been spared death, possibly, but it does seem imminent. Perhaps Mordin could delay it

[Alienmorph]

Hey, just to make it clear, I like Thane, I'm just saying that his conditions can determine at least partially the maximum range of the timeshift between ME2 and 3... I'm not urging to see him dead.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Alienmorph wrote...

Hey, just to make it clear, I like Thane, I'm just saying that his conditions can determine at least partially the maximum range of the timeshift between ME2 and 3... I'm not urging to see him dead.

I know, and I agree.

[darth_lopez]

and alienmorph has been making a good point about it.

[Captain Crash]

Dont know if its been said I dont have the motivation right now to read the last 18 pages.



Did you notice how you have one squadmate for all the major races. Turian, Salarian, Quarian, Geth, Krogan, Drell (Hanar), Asari. If Shepard is going to unite the Galaxy to fight the Reapers then having a voice for each race is really handy. We may find that these charecters play a smaller squadmate role and more of an "ambassador" type approach where you leave them with their people to co-ordinate force deployment to aid Shepard. This adds to game scope and help solve afore mentioned problems and extreme variables. Im not saying I want this to happen but there is so much talk about squadmate variables it seems a logical approach Bioware may take. After all we were told side-quests in ME would impact in ME2. All we got was an email.

[Alienmorph]

51ha wrote...

He won't be able to fight in me3 even if it begins 3 months after me2. I think they might cure him between me2 and me3. So me3 can begin whenever.

The mortality of Thane is part of his storyline and characterization... I don't think he'll be fully cured, but eventually Mordin may be albe to do something to expand his life expectancy, letting us to have him back for ME3 as any other eventual returnig squaddie.

[darth_lopez]

Captain Crash wrote...

Dont know if its been said I dont have the motivation right now to read the last 18 pages.

Did you notice how you have one squadmate for all the major races. Turian, Salarian, Quarian, Geth, Krogan, Drell (Hanar), Asari. If Shepard is going to unite the Galaxy to fight the Reapers then having a voice for each race is really handy. We may find that these charecters play a smaller squadmate role and more of an "ambassador" type approach where you leave them with their people to co-ordinate force deployment to aid Shepard. This adds to game scope and help solve afore mentioned problems and extreme variables. Im not saying I want this to happen but there is so much talk about squadmate variables it seems a logical approach Bioware may take. After all we were told side-quests in ME would impact in ME2. All we got was an email.

this is a distinct possibility that i'm pretty sure hasn't been voiced yet

[Alienmorph]

51ha wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

51ha wrote...

He won't be able to fight in me3 even if it begins 3 months after me2. I think they might cure him between me2 and me3. So me3 can begin whenever.

The mortality of Thane is part of his storyline and characterization... I don't think he'll be fully cured, but eventually Mordin may be albe to do something to expand his life expectancy, letting us to have him back for ME3 as any other eventual returnig squaddie.

I agree that it is a part of his story in me2, but not character. In me3 I hope his story will be something else like for any other character. Example: Tali in me1 - pilgrimage; in me2 - research team leader.

Hmm... wrong example, 'cause you solve the Tali's pilgrimadge subplot in ME1 so she HAD to become something else in ME2. But we'll see, I'm not going to cut off the hopes of anyone.

[Zulu_DFA]

Phaedon wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...
If you wanna do Garrus....

Alive Yes/No Yes. Check.
LI Yes/No   Yes. Check.
Loyal Yes/No  Why? Loyalty is a SM mechanism. If Garrus is unloyal that means he's go a score with Sidonis to settle.
Sidonis Alive Yes/No  Not necessarily. Settling score with Sidonis was quite a big deal for Garrus in ME2. Who can he not bring it up in dialogue with Shepard, especially if he is full-time again?
Paragon or Renegade  What does paragon or renegade mean?  ME1. Although probably irrelevant after ME2.
Shepard's Treatment of Garrus - Good/Bad No. That didn't happen for the ME2 import. And that sucked hard. Although irrelevant after ME2.
Manner of Death Hehe, no. Check.
Bioware's hint that Garrus must leave Shepard to reach his full Potiential(After all, he left C-Sec or gave up on joining the Spectres when he felt that they were ineffective and he would be better on his own. He could very well leave Shepard based on that reason alone) Yeah, he'll be more effective as a vigilante fighting crime lords instead of Reapers. He'll be more effective doing something more meaningful to fight the Reapers, than being Shepard's red shirt again. It's OK to be Shepard's red shirt, but it's not OK to stay Shepard's red shirt and lack proper character growth/development.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 janvier 2011 - 05:54 .

[pprrff]

I agree with the OP, as long as you avoid too much as character specific mission (like limiting it to 2 or 3 characters, more if you can make the mission apply to more than just one squaddie), it would be easy to bring back all of the crew. They are interchangeable mostly outside of their loyalty missions. You really only need to write a few extra in case of romance carrying over.



Sure it makes might sense for someone leave, but it's easy to contrive a reason for them to stay, if nothing else, they can stay out of 'respect' for Shepard even if it sound like a cop-out.

[mineralica]

Avl521 wrote...
WALL OF TEXT: <...promised wall of text about Heavy Rain and possibility of different outcomes in ME3>

You know, there's only one thing I don't like when it comes to comparision with Heavy Rain. It was announced in 2005, so it took 5 years before release. Enought time to work out everything. From ME2 to ME3 there wouldn't be such a long gap.
Well, release in the end of 2011 means at least one good thing - we will find everything out soon.

[Elite Midget]

It 'has' been bought up before that the Squaddies wont returnto the Squad but could act as Ambassadors for Shepard. This was 'quickly' dismissed by those that will not take any solution that doesn't involve bringing back everyone as Squaddies and fully intergrateing them into the ME3 Story.



Doing that means that the characters will end up less interactive them Zaeed and Kasumi were in Mass Effect 2. Is that your desire? To have all of the Zombies return and act like DLC Characters just so you have the 'novelty' of having the dead walking amoungst your crew?



As much as I liked Zaeed it doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to know that comparedto the ME2 Squaddies in ME2 he has 'far' less dialuge, interaction, and importance compared to any of them.

[Bamboozalist]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
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How is the team Shepard's redshirts? That's like saying that Spock or Sulu is a redshirt. Crewman Mathews is a redshirt.

As for Garrus. Let's look at Garrus in the eyes of Turian culture.

Negative
1)C-Sec Dropout TWICE or C-Sec dropout and Spectre dropout.
2)Worked for a pro-human terrorist organization
3)Led a team that got slaughtered on Omega
4)His family thinks he's a slacker who quit both his jobs because he couldn't cut it and he's abandoned them

Possitive
1)He tagged along for Shepard to stop Saren (People remember Shepard for stoping Saren not his/her crew)

Yeah I can just see Turians lining up left and right to follow the guy. None of the ME2 squad has any real political power beyond Tali and even Tali has scenarios where she wouldn't have any (exiled or her father revealed as a war criminal). The only three good leaders are a wash out Turian and two terrorists.

Compare that to the ME1 squad (Not counting Garrus and Tali)

Wrex - Krogan Warlord
Liara - Daughter of a respected Matriarch
Kaiden/Ashely - Dedicated alliance soldier (not exactly the first person who would be going AWOL to join a terrorist organization)

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...
Doing that means that the characters will end up less interactive them Zaeed and Kasumi were in Mass Effect 2.

No, no it doesn't.

[Elite Midget]

Yet you ignre the possibility that is the cheapests, quickest, and most they can do if they try and return the Zombies as Squaddies. Which I would like to add, for the record, can all die. You know, just incase you 'forgot'.



Also, the ME2 Squaddies are 'all' Red Shirts. They can all 'die' hence being 'Red Shirts'. You ever watch Star Trek?

[Bamboozalist]

Elite Midget wrote...

Yet you ignre the possibility that is the cheapests, quickest, and most they can do if they try and return the Zombies as Squaddies. Which I would like to add, for the record, can all die. You know, just incase you 'forgot'.

Also, the ME2 Squaddies are 'all' Red Shirts. They can all 'die' hence being 'Red Shirts'. You ever watch Star Trek?

Spock DIED.

Also the cheapest way would be to make it so you have no squadmates because really why does Shepard even need them? And no that's not the most they can do. Bioware gave us a fully flesh out squadmate for a character that you can sell and for a character you can keep locked in a tank.