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Bioware isn't a bunch of 'slackers' as you would call them. So stop trying to twist the meaning of my words because you cannot form an intelligent point to debate against me.
FYI - Spock came back from the dead. He had a loophole that NONE of the ME2 Red Shirts have.
sir i've tried to present you with reasonable and intelligent points in this debate the last one i presented may have been more interpretation of your poorly worded counterargument to bamboozalist. If this was the case i suggest you attempt to clarify your statements as it leaves little else to interpretation. Your argument is still reliant on that being the
most they can do which simply isn't the case.
You're just pulling bunnies from your fake hat now. Mass Effect has been Squad Based combat since the first entry. Bioware wont remove it even if it's cheaper since doing so would endup costing 'far' more since they would have to revamp/rebalance everything. Thus Bioware wont do such a thing for te Mass Effect Trilogy. Why suggest such a thing other than to spew venom at those who disagree with your Fairy Tale Desires?
bamboozalist has a very valuable point. on the subject of ridding the game of the squad entirely because it is cheaper. It's an exageration of your POV that was made to point out a glaring flaw in your logic. It is realisticly the cheapest and easiest way to make the game his point was that even though it was cheaper and easier than any other option it was not one BW would consider for story, gameplay, and other aspects of practicality. if anyone here has been pulling bunnies out of a fake hat it's been you and zulu who over the course of these 18 pages have run out of ammo.
I considered the possiblity that they 'could' do more but that possibility is 'far' less lickely to occure compared to the alternatives for the many reasons I constantly pointd out in this thread. The task of doing what you demand is nigh-impossible to accomplish. Especially in the time frame that ME3 is plaed under.
you've considered no such thing. Nor have you presented any valid reasons that the return of characters is less likely. What you have presented is your opinion that the end of a trilogy should be a fully standalone experience, you've continued the dillusion of an immense mass of incalculable variables, and the second dillusion of ever mounting costs that exceed the games available resources, also the idea that the entire squad is comprised of Red Shirts. You've presented no solid evidence for the latter 2 and have been disproven on 3 of 4 acounts. The amount of capital available to BW to create ME 3 is still an unknown and it is likely for the moment we won't be able to completely disprove your theories on ever growing costs that exceed their resources. the only thing you've proven, with out a doubt, is that some people can not interpret facts when they are presented to them.
How well 'does' ME2 prep us for other than dfeating the Collectors? Or have you forgotten that like ME1->ME2 the game known as ME3 takes place YEARS later. As we all know 'nothing' that was done in ME1 could have prepped Shepard for the events of ME2. I believe that ME3 will be just the case. Especially with the Reaper Fleet manageing to reach Earth.
seriously does no one pay attention to overarching story in ME? ME 2 was about Prepping for the reaper invasion and hindering them by tacking out their last form of innergalaxy support the collectors. The collectors were a poorly presented antagonist that served the same role as saren did to sovereign they were the envoys of the reapers. Striking at the collectors in teh fashion shepard did was a direct afront to the reapers and is ultimately what causes them to invade in full force in ME 3. Furthermore Several Loyalty missions prep the player for an interesting diplomatic experience in ME 3. These 3 missions are obvious, if BW did not expand on them they would be wasted and missed story telling tools there would also be plenty of disgruntled fans because the missions lead into ME 3 is so obvious only a blind deaf man with no tongue or sense of touch could miss them. ME 2 serves as a direct
prequel to ME 3 rather than a direct sequel to ME 1, it is more of an indirect sequel to the original though it preserves the overarching story it does a poor job of this. the main mission of ME 2 was taking out hte collectors the story was more about hindering the reapers as they indirectly attacked and harvested human colonies and attempting to learn about them this is why TIM presents the resolution at the end of the game to preserve the reaper tech and study it and hopefulyl use it against them or destroy the Base. To fool yourself into thinking there is no overarching story is tantamount to saying that the ME 1-3 is not the Shepard Arch Trilogy. ME 2 is now being given DLC designed to Bridge it to ME 3 in the same way the Force Unleashed(book) was designed to bridge the gap between Star Wars Prequels and the Original Trilogy. This
almost irrefutably supports the idea that ME 2 is infact more of a prequel and lead in to ME 3 than it is a sequel to ME 1 and will have a much larger impact on ME 3 than ME 1 did on ME 2.
Ideas change over the year. Look how many things they changed for ME1 in the time it was first revealed to its release. The two were 'not' the same game when all things are considered. Bioware isn't the type to lock is creativity over one ideal. Especially when a better ones come about with each passing day.
There are many cases where that is correct, however for trilogies this tends to ammount to incredibly small changes. For example Darth Vaders original line being"Luke I Killed your father Coming" out as "Luke i Am your father" by mistake. while this example had a major impact it didn't change any of the real content in Star Wars. Luke still needed to confront Vader and Luke Still needed to keep the rebel alliance going along with rebuilding the jedi order. The i am your father moment here happens about mid way through the game on the collector ship.
now i'm going to associate star wars and mass effect to show a few trends in squad development. How is this relevant you may ask? Well considering that the Original Trilogy is widely considered the Birth place of the modern SpaceOpera ands set a standard formula for story flow in a cinamatic Trilogy it is likely that Bioware themselves are drawing from aspects of the story.
view shepard as Luke the Empire as the Reapers and the Squadies as Lea, Chewy, Lando, Han, obi and yoda.
What we see in A New Hope(IV) is the formation of the original squad Kenobi Lea chewy and Han, this is equivalent to ME 1's squad. In TESB(V) we see the addition Of Yoda and Lando as well as the capture of han solo, While Lea Lando and Chewy under the leadership of luke form the 'new squad', this when in relation to ME is the formation of ME 2s squad a combination of New and Old members. in ROTJ the new squad plots to free a portion of the old squad and re-unite with them (making solo equal to teh VS) they do so and re-unite under lukes leadership however yoda dies. After forming the Complete squad in ROTJ luke then takes the fight to the empire. The COmplete squad is the perfect fusion of New characters and old charactesr although we see some of the old characters did not continue on we are confident in the complete squad as they are given their seperate duties to finish of the empire. In ME 3 It is likely that shepards complete squad will consist of a few new and alot of old faces though not all old faces.
Now i'm sure you can all see the squad build trend here. and i'm sure given the time i could find a few striking areas in ME that highly resemble points in Star Wars(, for example the Destruction of the First Death Star Being the Equivelant of Killing Sovereign with a touching oh he got out at the last minute ending, the data vigil handing you being inexplicably similar to that contained by R2D2 on the death star, and the destruction of Eden Prime being equivalent to the Raid on lukes aunt and unlces home, really all seems quite obvious in hindsight)
And while i'm not saying that "this is it for sure. this is the key" i think if we looked at the star wars lay out we can plainly see similarities that are valuable comparissons to ME and in some cases may correspond to the ingame developments i just hope this hasn't been lost and people have actually read it.
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