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[Chewin]

Is Mesina2 the only reasonable guy here on this page?

[jeweledleah]

people starting the thrilogy from the last part should expect to be lost a bit. that siad, when I started my very first playthrough of ME2 - it was actually a free trial and there was an additional video. I have found it on youtube, but never been able to see it in game again. but basically it was "the story so far" and it gave an overview of the events of mass effect 1. kinda similar to the comic that ps3 players get, though I don't remember it being as obnoxious (don't feel like looking for it on youtube right now, sorry)



so. for players starting out with part 3 getting all the pre-made characters is not really a punishment, but rather a consequence of not playing from the beginning. lastly - first 2 games are no longer super expensive, so if someone stars a game at the end and realizes that they are too confused when it comes to the story - they can always go back and get the first 2 games.



however - for people who HAVE been playing from the very beginning, getting whole new squad all over again and realizing that nothing they chose in first 2 games matters beyond couple of e-mails will be a huge disappointment and if bioware does in fact choose to take that route, I predict a lot of canceled pre-orders.

[Chewin]

jeweledleah wrote...

people starting the thrilogy from the last part should expect to be lost a bit. that siad, when I started my very first playthrough of ME2 - it was actually a free trial and there was an additional video. I have found it on youtube, but never been able to see it in game again. but basically it was "the story so far" and it gave an overview of the events of mass effect 1. kinda similar to the comic that ps3 players get, though I don't remember it being as obnoxious (don't feel like looking for it on youtube right now, sorry)

so. for players starting out with part 3 getting all the pre-made characters is not really a punishment, but rather a consequence of not playing from the beginning. lastly - first 2 games are no longer super expensive, so if someone stars a game at the end and realizes that they are too confused when it comes to the story - they can always go back and get the first 2 games.

however - for people who HAVE been playing from the very beginning, getting whole new squad all over again and realizing that nothing they chose in first 2 games matters beyond couple of e-mails will be a huge disappointment and if bioware does in fact choose to take that route, I predict a lot of canceled pre-orders.

THIS

[CroGamer002]

Wittand25 wrote...

Do you read anything I and others write ? Or the thread you linked ?

I and others addressed what you wrote several times now. The difference between rewarding old players (good) to punishing new players (bad) was pointed out several times now. The fact that the survival of the ME2 crew-members is more important if they leave, because only non-party members (e.g. Liara and Wrex in ME2;Tali and Garrus between ME1 and ME2) can do important things since the actions of squad-members are limited by the player has also come up. Yet you still write the same questions every time even though they have been answered again and again.

And thanks for linking the awards thread because it proves what I wrote before and I was to lazy to link it myself.

New player ain't punished for something they didn't know there is in the first place!


Also how is Tali and Garrus useful as non-squadmates?

Tali is poor leader and can't be admiral while Garrus can't help you besides to calibrate Normandy's guns and fight by your side.


You also don't know what "fair" means.

Modifié par Mesina2, 17 février 2011 - 08:35 .

[CroGamer002]

Chewin3 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

people starting the thrilogy from the last part should expect to be lost a bit. that siad, when I started my very first playthrough of ME2 - it was actually a free trial and there was an additional video. I have found it on youtube, but never been able to see it in game again. but basically it was "the story so far" and it gave an overview of the events of mass effect 1. kinda similar to the comic that ps3 players get, though I don't remember it being as obnoxious (don't feel like looking for it on youtube right now, sorry)

so. for players starting out with part 3 getting all the pre-made characters is not really a punishment, but rather a consequence of not playing from the beginning. lastly - first 2 games are no longer super expensive, so if someone stars a game at the end and realizes that they are too confused when it comes to the story - they can always go back and get the first 2 games.

however - for people who HAVE been playing from the very beginning, getting whole new squad all over again and realizing that nothing they chose in first 2 games matters beyond couple of e-mails will be a huge disappointment and if bioware does in fact choose to take that route, I predict a lot of canceled pre-orders.

THIS

Seconded.

People have to get in their heads that there are always consequences.

[Wittand25]

jeweledleah wrote...
however - for people who HAVE been playing from the very beginning, getting whole new squad all over again and realizing that nothing they chose in first 2 games matters beyond couple of e-mails will be a huge disappointment and if bioware does in fact choose to take that route, I predict a lot of canceled pre-orders.

Sure if Bioware there will be some turmoil once it gets clear that the ME3 crew will be new. But spending any amount of time on these forums teaches us that once the character reveals or even just speculations on possible companions starts any complaining about not returning squad-members will be drowned in character support threads for the new characters. Just look what the VGA trailer did or what is happening at the DA2 forums.

On the other hand if the fan boys of the ME2 characters get their wish and the crew returns with all the consequences resulting from this and they see how ME3 suffers for it even they will be as disappointed as  the rest of the players.

Since ME3 is way past the stage in development for making any change on the role of the ME2 crew in ME3, without  seriously delaying it all this discussion here is silly musing anyway and all we can do is wait until we get further information and one group will be proven right..

[Wittand25]

Mesina2 wrote...
Also how is Tali and Garrus useful as non-squadmates?

Tali is poor leader and can't be admiral while Garrus can't help you besides to calibrate Normandy's guns and fight by your side.


You also don't know what "fair" means.

She does research on dark matter, something that is heavenly hinted at being important for ME3 during her recruitment mission in case you have forgotten. And for ME3 somehow I believe that the Quarian with the most knowledge about Geth will be important in the Geth/Quarian conflict, another story line that is hinted to be important in ME3 with direct ties on the success rate in finally beating the reapers. Once Garrus left Shepard he formed his own group and was successful with it for quite some time there is no reason that he could not have command again. And since reapers are spaceships that hardly all will be destroyed by three people with hand-fire guns someone capable to take command of another spaceship or even a whole fleet does sound more important and useful then someone trailing behind you looking at your backside.

[CroGamer002]

Wittand25 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
Also how is Tali and Garrus useful as non-squadmates?

Tali is poor leader and can't be admiral while Garrus can't help you besides to calibrate Normandy's guns and fight by your side.


You also don't know what "fair" means.

She does research on dark matter, something that is heavenly hinted at being important for ME3 during her recruitment mission in case you have forgotten. And for ME3 somehow I believe that the Quarian with the most knowledge about Geth will be important in the Geth/Quarian conflict, another story line that is hinted to be important in ME3 with direct ties on the success rate in finally beating the reapers. Once Garrus left Shepard he formed his own group and was successful with it for quite some time there is no reason that he could not have command again. And since reapers are spaceships that hardly all will be destroyed by three people with hand-fire guns someone capable to take command of another spaceship or even a whole fleet does sound more important and useful then someone trailing behind you looking at your backside.

I don't remember Tali ever being a SCIENTIST!
And for Geth-Quarian conflict?
Still no reason for her to leave and be involved.

Also why would Garrus leave Shepard?
He left Shepard first time since he/she though he/she died!
Leaving now is stupid.

And we don't know how we will defeat Reapers and founders of Bioware said something about going to place for where Reapers are coming from.

By your logic ME3 should be RTS game to defeat Reapers.

[CroGamer002]

Wittand25 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
however - for people who HAVE been playing from the very beginning, getting whole new squad all over again and realizing that nothing they chose in first 2 games matters beyond couple of e-mails will be a huge disappointment and if bioware does in fact choose to take that route, I predict a lot of canceled pre-orders.

Sure if Bioware there will be some turmoil once it gets clear that the ME3 crew will be new. But spending any amount of time on these forums teaches us that once the character reveals or even just speculations on possible companions starts any complaining about not returning squad-members will be drowned in character support threads for the new characters. Just look what the VGA trailer did or what is happening at the DA2 forums.

On the other hand if the fan boys of the ME2 characters get their wish and the crew returns with all the consequences resulting from this and they see how ME3 suffers for it even they will be as disappointed as  the rest of the players.

Since ME3 is way past the stage in development for making any change on the role of the ME2 crew in ME3, without  seriously delaying it all this discussion here is silly musing anyway and all we can do is wait until we get further information and one group will be proven right..

So ME3 has to be disappointing for old players( 100% sure to be majority of ME3 costumers) for new players not to be disappointing do to content they missed that they would never find out if they don't check out on internet for it?

You have an insane logic dude.


Also ME1 sales got increased after ME2 since many players wanted to see what happen in first game.
I never saw anyone complaining about missed content in ME2 for not playing ME1.

[Wittand25]

Mesina2 wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
however - for people who HAVE been playing from the very beginning, getting whole new squad all over again and realizing that nothing they chose in first 2 games matters beyond couple of e-mails will be a huge disappointment and if bioware does in fact choose to take that route, I predict a lot of canceled pre-orders.

Sure if Bioware there will be some turmoil once it gets clear that the ME3 crew will be new. But spending any amount of time on these forums teaches us that once the character reveals or even just speculations on possible companions starts any complaining about not returning squad-members will be drowned in character support threads for the new characters. Just look what the VGA trailer did or what is happening at the DA2 forums.

On the other hand if the fan boys of the ME2 characters get their wish and the crew returns with all the consequences resulting from this and they see how ME3 suffers for it even they will be as disappointed as  the rest of the players.

Since ME3 is way past the stage in development for making any change on the role of the ME2 crew in ME3, without  seriously delaying it all this discussion here is silly musing anyway and all we can do is wait until we get further information and one group will be proven right..

So ME3 has to be disappointing for old players( 100% sure to be majority of ME3 costumers) for new players not to be disappointing do to content they missed that they would never find out if they don't check out on internet for it?

You have an insane logic dude.


Also ME1 sales got increased after ME2 since many players wanted to see what happen in first game.
I never saw anyone complaining about missed content in ME2 for not playing ME1.

I have explained that in an other post a few hour ago, a post you quoted yourself. Are you a troll ? Really try not to raise stupid arguments in such a blatantly obvious way. It does drain the fun out of the discussion.

Modifié par Wittand25, 17 février 2011 - 10:26 .

[Wittand25]

Mesina2 wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
Also how is Tali and Garrus useful as non-squadmates?

Tali is poor leader and can't be admiral while Garrus can't help you besides to calibrate Normandy's guns and fight by your side.


You also don't know what "fair" means.

She does research on dark matter, something that is heavenly hinted at being important for ME3 during her recruitment mission in case you have forgotten. And for ME3 somehow I believe that the Quarian with the most knowledge about Geth will be important in the Geth/Quarian conflict, another story line that is hinted to be important in ME3 with direct ties on the success rate in finally beating the reapers. Once Garrus left Shepard he formed his own group and was successful with it for quite some time there is no reason that he could not have command again. And since reapers are spaceships that hardly all will be destroyed by three people with hand-fire guns someone capable to take command of another spaceship or even a whole fleet does sound more important and useful then someone trailing behind you looking at your backside.

I don't remember Tali ever being a SCIENTIST!
And for Geth-Quarian conflict?
Still no reason for her to leave and be involved.

Also why would Garrus leave Shepard?
He left Shepard first time since he/she though he/she died!
Leaving now is stupid.

And we don't know how we will defeat Reapers and founders of Bioware said something about going to place for where Reapers are coming from.

By your logic ME3 should be RTS game to defeat Reapers.

So you skipped her recruitment mission, you know the one where she is researching dark matter and the dieing sun. And subsequently her loyalty mission which deals with both the conflict and her plans to return to the Flotilla should the Flotilla need her.

Because the writers want him to? Really that is the only reason anything happens in the ME universe and if they want it it will happen and possibly even explained.

Old news. I do hang around the social site you know. And even that does not change the fact that just like you needed the help of space ships to take down the single reaper at the end of ME1, you again will need a whole fleet to deal with the reapers ion ME3. You won´t be able to control them but you will need their support anyway even if you only see them in cut-scenes.

No ? Frankly I would appreciate it if you would read what I am writing and respond to that in future instead of jumping to insane conclusion attacking claims I never made.

[Zulu_DFA]

Wittand25 wrote...

So you skipped her recruitment mission, you know the one where she is researching dark matter and the dieing sun. And subsequently her loyalty mission which deals with both the conflict and her plans to return to the Flotilla should the Flotilla need her.

Tali is not a scientist herself. Obvioulsy, she was appointed to lead the mission as an Admiral's daughter. That's something rarely talked about: the Quarian society is a bit medieval. Notice how Kal'Reagar refuses to play ball, when Tali "democratically" tells him not to call her "ma'am"? The Quarian soldiers were "sworn" specifically to protect her...

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 17 février 2011 - 11:20 .

[AdmiralCheez]

That is an interesting point, Zulu, and something I've noticed myself, but let's not sidetrack this thread, mmmkay?

[nevar00]

Wittand25 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
however - for people who HAVE been playing from the very beginning, getting whole new squad all over again and realizing that nothing they chose in first 2 games matters beyond couple of e-mails will be a huge disappointment and if bioware does in fact choose to take that route, I predict a lot of canceled pre-orders.

Sure if Bioware there will be some turmoil once it gets clear that the ME3 crew will be new. But spending any amount of time on these forums teaches us that once the character reveals or even just speculations on possible companions starts any complaining about not returning squad-members will be drowned in character support threads for the new characters. Just look what the VGA trailer did or what is happening at the DA2 forums.

On the other hand if the fan boys of the ME2 characters get their wish and the crew returns with all the consequences resulting from this and they see how ME3 suffers for it even they will be as disappointed as  the rest of the players.

Since ME3 is way past the stage in development for making any change on the role of the ME2 crew in ME3, without  seriously delaying it all this discussion here is silly musing anyway and all we can do is wait until we get further information and one group will be proven right..

The difference being that this is THE FINALE.   People shouldn't have complained about missing Wrex/Kaishley/Liara as obviously they were going to return in the finale and have very important roles.  This is the last chance to see your favorite characters and what not, and now is not the time to begin introducing a lot of new faces.

Besides, what else could most of your squad POSSIBLY have to do that is more important then helping defeat an army of evil spaceships bent on destroying all advanced life?  Some of your squadmates could help in some other matters, but most of them?  Eh... Garrus really has nothing else going for him; what's he gonna do, return to C-Sec again?  And poor Tali has proven to be a horrendous leader so forget about being an admiral, and anyway she could be exiled so aside from begging for food on Omega I can't imagine any other plans she could be having.  And Legion just spent 4 years tracking you down: you really think he'd leave already?  And that pretty much goes for every other member of your squad.

Modifié par nevar00, 18 février 2011 - 12:19 .

[DTKT]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

So you skipped her recruitment mission, you know the one where she is researching dark matter and the dieing sun. And subsequently her loyalty mission which deals with both the conflict and her plans to return to the Flotilla should the Flotilla need her.

Tali is not a scientist herself. Obvioulsy, she was appointed to lead the mission as an Admiral's daughter. That's something rarely talked about: the Quarian society is a bit medieval. Notice how Kal'Reagar refuses to play ball, when Tali "democratically" tells him not to call her "ma'am"? The Quarian soldiers were "sworn" specifically to protect her...

That also could have been a slightly comedic moment and had no actual implications in the grand scheme of the Quarian society.

Just saying.

[Femlob]

nevar00 wrote...

And poor Tali has proven to be a horrendous leader

If this is referring to Tali's recruitment mission - a batallion of Geth, including a Colossus, descended upon a small band of scientists supported by a dozen marines. I think you can hardly blame her for the massacre that followed. So far, the only party that has proven to be able to reliably hold its own against masses of Geth is that of Shepard's (and the entire Arcturus fleet, if you want to nitpick).

The only situation of questionable leadership that springs to mind is the YMIR massacre at Freedom's Hope; but we don't know if the Quarians who followed her there were marines sworn to defend her or just a bunch of random guys and girls who were asked to come along. The way the most vocal dissenter talks back to her leads me to believe it's the latter - in which case one can question exactly how much authority Tali had to begin with.

I'll allow that she's not natural leadership material, but calling her a horrendous leader is a bit much. Given what she had to work with, I'm not sure any other party member who hasn't been designated leadership material (Miranda, Jacob, Garrus) could have done any better.

Edit: Looking over the Suicide Mission chart again, I can't help but wonder why Jacob was given leadership material status. Unlike Miranda and Garrus, there's nothing in the game that indicates he'd be fit to lead...

Modifié par Femlob, 18 février 2011 - 01:09 .

[nevar00]

Well I was counting those two instances as well as what could possibly go down in the SM. Mainly I said she was horrendous to emphasis my point, but regardless she really doesn't seem to be Admiral material and in any case, she could be exiled anyway. And if I recall correctly, doesn't Shepard say something like "this is your real family" or "the Normandy is your home anyway" if she does get exiled? What's he gonna do, stop by the next spaceport once the suicide mission is over and tell her to get the **** off? That all wasn't really targetted at you, I'm just saying in general I highly doubt she will be made to lead the Quarians as some have suggested as a reason for her not joining your squad in ME3.

Edit - I always wondered why Jacob was given leadership status as well.  Wasn't he head of security at that Cerberus facility though?  So I guess it makes a little sense (even though everyone there ended up dead).  Maybe they just felt like he was a pretty useless guy and needed to add in some way he could be useful.

Modifié par nevar00, 18 février 2011 - 01:12 .

[Femlob]

nevar00 wrote...

Well I was counting those two instances as well as what could possibly go down in the SM. Mainly I said she was horrendous to emphasis my point, but regardless she really doesn't seem to be Admiral material and in any case, she could be exiled anyway. And if I recall correctly, doesn't Shepard say something like "this is your real family" or "the Normandy is your home anyway" if she does get exiled? What's he gonna do, stop by the next spaceport once the suicide mission is over and tell her to get the **** off? That all wasn't really targetted at you, I'm just saying in general I highly doubt she will be made to lead the Quarians as some have suggested as a reason for her not joining your squad in ME3.

Edit - I always wondered why Jacob was given leadership status as well.  Wasn't he head of security at that Cerberus facility though?  So I guess it makes a little sense (even though everyone there ended up dead).  Maybe they just felt like he was a pretty useless guy and needed to add in some way he could be useful.

I'll second that she won't become an Admiral unless BioWare pulls some kind of magic hare out of the hood. That said, given her royalty-esque status she'll no doubt have some influence on whether the Quarians go to war with the Geth or with the Reapers - that is, assuming she even returns in ME3 in any useful capacity. Until I get official confirmation on that, I'm going to leave everything blank and wait.

Edit: Smilies make text look ugly. Smilies bad.

Modifié par Femlob, 18 février 2011 - 01:17 .

[Abispa]

I hope, if your crew-members do come back, that you have to make decisions that will affect their loyalty. Many of them have conflicts that cannot be realistically resolved to everyone's satisfaction (Jack / Miranda, Tali / Legion, and possibly Ashley / Kaiden / Miranda immediately come to mind). I would like to see you have to decide who is your "true" squad-mate. Maybe you'll be able to keep everyone on your team, but some may only be with you because you have a common enemy now that you've sided with a rival (like Zaeed threatened to do). That would be the equivalent to failing a loyalty mission in ME2. There was no "difficult" choice like Virmire in ME2, and, in my opinion, the game was poorer for it (thought it was still awesome). No, Morinth / Samara doesn't count (though I'd love to see a similar scene with Jack and Miranda).



I also wonder if there will be generic "fill-in" characters for members who were killed, a Quarian engineer, an Alliance soldier, a Turian cop, etc., similar to Wreav.

[Nashiktal]

Femlob wrote...

If this is referring to Tali's recruitment mission - a batallion of Geth, including a Colossus, descended upon a small band of scientists supported by a dozen marines. I think you can hardly blame her for the massacre that followed. So far, the only party that has proven to be able to reliably hold its own against masses of Geth is that of Shepard's (and the entire Arcturus fleet, if you want to nitpick).

The only situation of questionable leadership that springs to mind is the YMIR massacre at Freedom's Hope; but we don't know if the Quarians who followed her there were marines sworn to defend her or just a bunch of random guys and girls who were asked to come along. The way the most vocal dissenter talks back to her leads me to believe it's the latter - in which case one can question exactly how much authority Tali had to begin with.

I'll allow that she's not natural leadership material, but calling her a horrendous leader is a bit much. Given what she had to work with, I'm not sure any other party member who hasn't been designated leadership material (Miranda, Jacob, Garrus) could have done any better.

Edit: Looking over the Suicide Mission chart again, I can't help but wonder why Jacob was given leadership material status. Unlike Miranda and Garrus, there's nothing in the game that indicates he'd be fit to lead...

This indeed. I would never put Tali in the lead of a military expedition, however from what I have seen the disasters arn't her fault. Hell even in the very beginning I don't see that incident as her fault. Those Quarians just didnt listen. A more experienced or born leader might have put the in line, but the very fact she was the lead of the expedition (and as zulu points out pseudo-royalty) should have at least made them pause when thinking of rushing blindly into a dangerous are when their leader says no.

Not that im dragging this off topic or anything.

[Femlob]

Abispa wrote...

I hope, if your crew-members do come back, that you have to make decisions that will affect their loyalty. Many of them have conflicts that cannot be realistically resolved to everyone's satisfaction (Jack / Miranda, Tali / Legion, and possibly Ashley / Kaiden / Miranda immediately come to mind). I would like to see you have to decide who is your "true" squad-mate. Maybe you'll be able to keep everyone on your team, but some may only be with you because you have a common enemy now that you've sided with a rival (like Zaeed threatened to do). That would be the equivalent to failing a loyalty mission in ME2. There was no "difficult" choice like Virmire in ME2, and, in my opinion, the game was poorer for it (thought it was still awesome). No, Morinth / Samara doesn't count (though I'd love to see a similar scene with Jack and Miranda).

I also wonder if there will be generic "fill-in" characters for members who were killed, a Quarian engineer, an Alliance soldier, a Turian cop, etc., similar to Wreav.

It's a very hard question to answer, given what little we have to go on. One could argue that having flat, generic characters as subs for ME2 KIAs could (and likely would) ruin the experience of people new to Mass Effect; on the other hand, one could argue that creating a completely new cast - regardless of size - would by and large invalidate everything that's happened in ME2. We'll just have to see what BioWare comes up with; the most important question to ponder at this point is just how far they're willing to take the consequences of ME2, even if we can assume that they won't have a destructive impact on ME3.

Edit: Proper spelling is good.

Modifié par Femlob, 18 février 2011 - 01:43 .

[Flamewielder]

samurai crusade wrote...
I'd rather develop the characters we already know and love than get a whole nother set of people that at the end of the game... I'm going to wish there is a 4th game so I can get to know them!  I'm more into conversations on-normandy than I am inter-mission squad banter.

So would I, but Shepard would be the only person any ME2 squaddie is sure to interact with. The squaddie will be talking ONLY to Shepard, apparently snubbing all the other members of the ME2 squad, which would seem odd.

That said... if they give us a set of missions with former members similar to LotSB, rather than full on Squadmate, then that would be ok... there just needs to be solid diologue.

Hence the suggestion of single-mission, LofSB-style returning ME2 squaddies. More life-like, talkative, shorter convo trees but more powerful dialogue/humour/drama.

My personal feeling on the ME3 crew: they'll be mostly, if not all humans (it's their homeworld being ravaged, not Thessia or another of the Council species homeworld). Shepard will be looking for allies and firepower, not a hit team. ME3 crew will likely include the VS (a returning character) and a mixed bunch of human allies including Cerberus operatives, Alliance military personnel, non-Alliance Corporate/Colonial mercenaries, etc... and these will likely already be on board, introducing themselves to Shepard like Pressly, Chakwas and the Chief Engineer did at the start of ME1.

[Femlob]

Flamewielder wrote...

My personal feeling on the ME3 crew: they'll be mostly, if not all humans (it's their homeworld being ravaged, not Thessia or another of the Council species homeworld). Shepard will be looking for allies and firepower, not a hit team. ME3 crew will likely include the VS (a returning character) and a mixed bunch of human allies including Cerberus operatives, Alliance military personnel, non-Alliance Corporate/Colonial mercenaries, etc... and these will likely already be on board, introducing themselves to Shepard like Pressly, Chakwas and the Chief Engineer did at the start of ME1.

This assuming that Earth is the only planet under siege. Which we don't know yet.

[nevar00]

I would be shocked if Tali, a potential LI and fan favorite, returned for a very minor role in the last game in the series. The more I think about it, the more I find it likely that at the very least Garrus and her will return to the squad.



The "let's just replace the dead with generic clones of themselves" is a terrible idea, sorry. It would make the fact that you lost people meaningless, and although they pulled it off with Wrex/Wreav, it's completely different if this person ended up on your ship with no personality, hardly any build up, and became a squadmember.



I don't see a ship full of humans happening either. I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't be too happy about that, and again, we don't really need to have a bunch of new squadmates' personalities and backgrounds and whatnot introduced when we already have them made from the second game. UGH... if only they didn't throw in a Suicide Mission halfway through the series...

[Femlob]

nevar00 wrote...

UGH... if only they didn't throw in a Suicide Mission halfway through the series...

Look at it this way: at least they're being innovative. I don't think any game trilogy has ever given you the opportunity to kill off your entire squad halfway through.