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[Seboist]

All I know is that they better add Batarian and Vorcha squadmates in ME3.

[CroGamer002]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Yeah. You mean the planet mining, don't you?

Whoever thought that one up deserves to have poo flung in his face.

Seriously.

Although it was a step up from herp-derping up a cliff for three hours.

Not if you figured out how to drive the Mako. Rolling in the Mako around the Galaxy was the most enjoyable part of the game. Kinda shame BioWare took it out after joining EA, whose main shooter series features combat vehicle simulation.

Well if they didn't join EA they wouldn't have as much as resources they have now and it would have been XBox 360 exclusive which means both ME1 and ME2 would sell almost 50% less without PC version of Mass Effect.


Also you think Microsoft is any better then EA? They are even worse in my opinion.

[jeweledleah]

on a subject of planet scanning vs mako - if you love driving the damn thing so much, go play some driving games? some of us don't like vehicles. seriously, driving a clunky tank over steep mountains does NOT the rpg make.

[AkiKishi]

jeweledleah wrote...

on a subject of planet scanning vs mako - if you love driving the damn thing so much, go play some driving games? some of us don't like vehicles. seriously, driving a clunky tank over steep mountains does NOT the rpg make.

It's not so much the Mako I hated but the bland and annoying planets it drove over.

I never used it for combat always got out for the *3 bonus.

[CroGamer002]

Seboist wrote...

All I know is that they better add Batarian and Vorcha squadmates in ME3.

Batarian? Definitely.

Vorcha?
http://t3.gstatic.co...aioUOPZoK8o&t=1

[AdmiralCheez]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I'm not stopping you, although I think it's been done already.

Alas, everything worth doing has already been done.  Sigh...

Really? "Confederacy"... "Marshal"... All those frontier-mining-farming themes...

StarCraft had been mentioned as an example on this trope's page before SC2 was released.

Rednecks in space =/= "Western."

StarCraft 2 changed the genre.  For the worse.  It used to be one helluva war story.  Now it's a parody of a war story.

Then you really don't understand what StarCraft is all about. It's really not about the plot characters. It's about space soldiers and their uneazy fates of serving in chickensh*t outfits and cauterizing target areas.

Whatever it was, all the characters were cliche and over the top, the plot was horrible and made no sense, the canon was stomped upon and retconned, and over half the game was about solving people's personal problems (shut UP Ariel) and making "BIG DECISIONS" that probably won't mean ****** later and have little effect on the overall plot.  Cheap diversions, really.

Fact is, Blizzard pandered to the multiplayer meatheads and left those of us who appreciate a good single-player campaign in the dust.  It was dumbed down to sh*t, and the parallels to government control and religious extremism were replaced by retarded cliches that were laughably shallow excuses to blow sh*t up.  It had all the depth and drama of a Saturday morning cartoon, only with lots of bad language so we can pretend it's for the big kids.

In other words, I was very, very disappointed.

Not if you figured out how to drive the Mako. Rolling in the Mako around the Galaxy was the most enjoyable part of the game. Kinda shame BioWare took it out after joining EA, whose main shooter series features combat vehicle simulation.

You can't be serious.

Oh well, if you love a parody of a game like StarCraft 2 so much, I guess your crush on the Mako makes sense.

(You know, I see why you do what you do now, Zulu.  It's fun to be this much of an ass!)

Anyway, I'm gonna stop before I get this thread locked.

[nevar00]

When you think about it, even if they brought back all the ME 2 squadmates, it would hardly make it crowded.  You have potentially 10 squadmates returning to the squad (Kasumi and Zaeed won't return as squadmates).  Let's say they add 4 new ones (to keep it an even number)... I'm assuming those 4 would be Kaishley, and a Batarian (as the Batarian/Human relationship is really the only problem not addressed by Shepard yet).  I assume a Raloi will join as well (I can picture a big muscular eagle-guy for furry fans ) and probably a female something else so there is one new LI for each Shep.  So, at the very most you would have 14 squadmates, only 2 more from ME 2... and at the very least you would have 6 (at least two need to survive the SM), and that is the same amount from ME 1.  So it's not like the amount of squadmates would be overwhelming. 

[AkiKishi]

nevar00 wrote...

When you think about it, even if they brought back all the ME 2 squadmates, it would hardly make it crowded.  You have potentially 10 squadmates returning to the squad (Kasumi and Zaeed won't return as squadmates).  Let's say they add 4 new ones (to keep it an even number)... I'm assuming those 4 would be Kaishley, and a Batarian (as the Batarian/Human relationship is really the only problem not addressed by Shepard yet).  I assume a Raloi will join as well (I can picture a big muscular eagle-guy for furry fans ) and probably a female something else so there is one new LI for each Shep.  So, at the very most you would have 14 squadmates, only 2 more from ME 2... and at the very least you would have 6 (at least two need to survive the SM), and that is the same amount from ME 1.  So it's not like the amount of squadmates would be overwhelming. 

You can be the one to tell that to Zaeed and Kasumi's fans

You probably get more easy material out of those 2 than any of the others as well. Just having them as full chatty characters is going to please people.Then there are those people who don't have internet access and have never seen them before.

[Nashiktal]

I.... I loved the Mako.



Ok not going UP hill... But damn it was a blast going down!

[nevar00]

BobSmith101 wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

When you think about it, even if they brought back all the ME 2 squadmates, it would hardly make it crowded.  You have potentially 10 squadmates returning to the squad (Kasumi and Zaeed won't return as squadmates).  Let's say they add 4 new ones (to keep it an even number)... I'm assuming those 4 would be Kaishley, and a Batarian (as the Batarian/Human relationship is really the only problem not addressed by Shepard yet).  I assume a Raloi will join as well (I can picture a big muscular eagle-guy for furry fans ) and probably a female something else so there is one new LI for each Shep.  So, at the very most you would have 14 squadmates, only 2 more from ME 2... and at the very least you would have 6 (at least two need to survive the SM), and that is the same amount from ME 1.  So it's not like the amount of squadmates would be overwhelming. 

You can be the one to tell that to Zaeed and Kasumi's fans

You probably get more easy material out of those 2 than any of the others as well. Just having them as full chatty characters is going to please people.Then there are those people who don't have internet access and have never seen them before.

They can't really just randomly stick them in the game though: as you said, people who didn't download them in ME 2 will have no idea who they are.  I don't see them making those two downloadable again either; if they were killed in the SM, there's no real reason to download them.  I think it's more likely they'll just be NPC's who might give you a small side mission.

[Zulu_DFA]

[quote]AdmiralCheez wrote...
[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

Really? "Confederacy"... "Marshal"... All those frontier-mining-farming themes...

StarCraft had been mentioned as an example on this trope's page before SC2 was released.[/quote]
Rednecks in space =/= "Western."
[/quote]
In a broad sense, it is. Even biker and diesel-punk movies are kind of western.


[quote]AdmiralCheez wrote...

StarCraft 2 changed the genre.  For the worse.  It used to be one helluva war story.  Now it's a parody of a war story.
[/quote]
No, it didn't. It's always been and remains a real-time strategy, with a lot of good humor and even some story.

And Blizzard always openly admitted they had those parody elements in their games.

ME2, on the contrary, pretends to be a "serious business", but in all honesty, it looks like a "Team America, the Videogame"

And if you want a "helluva war story", go play CoD2 on highest difficulty.


[quote]AdmiralCheez wrote...
[quote]Then you really don't understand what StarCraft is all about. It's really not about the plot characters. It's about space soldiers and their uneazy fates of serving in chickensh*t outfits and cauterizing target areas.[/quote]Whatever it was, all the characters were cliche and over the top, the plot was horrible and made no sense,
[/quote]
Made perfect sense to me. We have this former marshal drinking away his woe about how an evil cavalry colonel sold his girlfriend out to the Indians and became a governor. Then his buddy deserter and vagabond shows up and offers to pick through a few indian cemetaries. Then the Indians unearth their war hatchets. And so on...


[quote]AdmiralCheez wrote...

the canon was stomped upon and retconned, and over half the game was about solving people's personal problems (shut UP Ariel)
[/quote]
Ariel was hotter than any of the ME2 chicks (except Gianna Parasini maybe, but one would need them to be real things to compare and make up the mind in favor of one of the two).


[quote]AdmiralCheez wrote...

and making "BIG DECISIONS" that probably won't mean ****** later and have little effect on the overall plot.  Cheap diversions, really.
[/quote]
One of those "BIG DECISIONS", though, already had a real and tangible effect. Like it was realized in 1999 already in Brood War. Nothing like that to be seen in the Mass Effect series (except maybe the mission on Peak 15).


[quote]AdmiralCheez wrote...

Fact is, Blizzard pandered to the multiplayer meatheads and left those of us who appreciate a good single-player campaign in the dust.[/quote]
I appreciate good single player campaigns and I enjoyed that of WoL. My main grudge was with the new units design, but oh well... Nothing so ridiculous as ME2's combat labcoats an pin-up model suits.


[quote]AdmiralCheez wrote...

It was dumbed down to sh*t, and the parallels to government control and religious extremism were replaced by retarded cliches that were laughably shallow excuses to blow sh*t up.  It had all the depth and drama of a Saturday morning cartoon, only with lots of bad language so we can pretend it's for the big kids.
[/quote]
Sounds more like ME2 again, to me.


[quote]AdmiralCheez wrote...

In other words, I was very, very disappointed.
[/quote]
No one cares. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]


[quote]AdmiralCheez wrote...
[quote]Not if you figured out how to drive the Mako. Rolling in the Mako around the Galaxy was the most enjoyable part of the game. Kinda shame BioWare took it out after joining EA, whose main shooter series features combat vehicle simulation.[/quote]You can't be serious.
[/quote]
I am totally serious.

I wish there were DLC with more planets to roll around. After defeating the Reapers, and installing Udina as Lord-Protector of the Galaxy, my Shepard has plans for retiring from service and becoming a prospector.


[quote]AdmiralCheez wrote...

Oh well, if you love a parody of a game like StarCraft 2 so much, I guess your crush on the Mako makes sense.
[/quote]
I like when parody stuff looks like parody, and "serious" stuff looks like serious stuff. That's why I hate the Hammerhead - a silly toy with flashy lights with battaries dying in the frost.


[quote]AdmiralCheez wrote...

(You know, I see why you do what you do now, Zulu.  It's fun to be this much of an ass!)

Anyway, I'm gonna stop before I get this thread locked.
[/quote]
Whatever.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 février 2011 - 10:16 .

[jeweledleah]

I thought I'd mention it, just cause I can. I used to play original Star craft to death. Brood wars not as much, but original game, I even tried online multiplayer and I almost never play multiplayer games, ever.

star craft 2, I couldn't even finish the free demo, it completely left me cold. its like a hollow shell of the original game. come to think of it....lately anything blizzard releases is a hollow shell of their former glory.

ME2 however, grabbed me and for all its flaws (and there are many, I'm not going to claim its perfect) its an amazing engrossing game. go figure.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 19 février 2011 - 09:29 .

[Zulu_DFA]

jeweledleah wrote...

 its like a hollow shell of the original game

This is how I feel about ME2.

jeweledleah wrote...

grabbed me and for all its flaws (and there are many, I'm not going to claim its perfect) its an amazing engrossing game.

This is how I feel about SC2.

[jeweledleah]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

 its like a hollow shell of the original game

This is how I feel about ME2.

jeweledleah wrote...

grabbed me and for all its flaws (and there are many, I'm not going to claim its perfect) its an amazing engrossing game.

This is how I feel about SC2.

then why are you here?  why do you have a conspiracy theory on every possible subject and some I didn't think were possible, if the game feels so hollow to you?  obviously something about it grabbed you, or you woudln't be spending so much time thinking and writing about it.

[Zulu_DFA]

jeweledleah wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

 its like a hollow shell of the original game

This is how I feel about ME2.

jeweledleah wrote...
grabbed me and for all its flaws (and there are many, I'm not going to claim its perfect) its an amazing engrossing game.

This is how I feel about SC2.

then why are you here?  why do you have a conspiracy theory on every possible subject and some I didn't think were possible, if the game feels so hollow to you?  obviously something about it grabbed you, or you woudln't be spending so much time thinking and writing about it.

It's fun to talk about ME2.

With StarCraft, it's fun to play it.

[jeweledleah]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

It's fun to talk about ME2.

With StarCraft, it's fun to play it.

that.. is subjective.  to me SC2 is not fun either play or talk about.  ME2 is fun in both respects. 

[CroGamer002]

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

And if you want a "helluva war story", go play CoD1 and United Offensive on highest difficulty.[/quote]

[/quote]

Fixed.

Modifié par Mesina2, 19 février 2011 - 10:57 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

It was dumbed down to sh*t, and the parallels to government control and religious extremism were replaced by retarded cliches that were laughably shallow excuses to blow sh*t up.  It had all the depth and drama of a Saturday morning cartoon, only with lots of bad language so we can pretend it's for the big kids.

Sounds more like ME2 again, to me.

And that was my point precisely.  I used your own pathetic gripings on a game I knew you enjoyed, showing that they can be applied to just as validly.  The flaws you point out are present in SC2 as well as ME2, and yet you obviously prefer one over another.  Your ability to b*tch forever about ME2 and yet idolize a game with the exact same problems points out your inherent hypocrisy.

Thank you for validating my hypothesis that you were pretty much butthurting about how ME2 wasn't the game you'd fantasized about, brandishing your opinion as if it was the word of God, when in reality you just happen to prefer one type of game over another and can't seem to seperate the subjective from the objective.

The most pitiful part of this is that you didn't recognize what I was doing.

Usually, I'm not this much of an ass, but I thought you might learn something from it.

Good day to you, sir.

(General apology to the forums: Sorry for being a colossal b-word.)

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 20 février 2011 - 12:12 .

[Zulu_DFA]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

It was dumbed down to sh*t, and the parallels to government control and religious extremism were replaced by retarded cliches that were laughably shallow excuses to blow sh*t up.  It had all the depth and drama of a Saturday morning cartoon, only with lots of bad language so we can pretend it's for the big kids.

Sounds more like ME2 again, to me.

And that was my point precisely.  I used your own pathetic gripings on a game I knew you enjoyed, showing that they can be applied to just as validly.

Eeee, nah! Your doing it to specifically mock/troll me shows that it does not apply "just as validly". On the other hand, my "pathetic gripings" are sincere and authentic.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The flaws you point out are present in SC2 as well as ME2, and yet you obviously prefer one over another.

That's because there ain't so much flaws in SC2 in the first place, and where they are, they don't really matter. In ME2, though, those flaws are omni-present and ruin the whole experience. People are b*tching about how the story in ME2 sucks, but in reality, it's not the story that is bad. It's the discontinuity. And the feeling of discontinuity comes from the general gameplay and art and general design overhaul. I swear, people would love the story of ME2 a lot more, if no changes to ME2 design were made at all.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Your ability to b*tch forever about ME2 and yet idolize a game with the exact same problems points out your inherent hypocrisy.

And telling me that is going to change what, in your opinion?

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Thank you for validating my hypothesis that you were pretty much butthurting about how ME2 wasn't the game you'd fantasized about, brandishing your opinion as if it was the word of God.

We'll see in ten years if the ME series is still spoken about.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The most pitiful part of this is that you didn't recognize what I was doing.

I did, Cheez, I did. I played the ball.

[Xilizhra]

We'll see in ten years if the ME series is still spoken about.

The only reason Starcraft remained as popular as it did was the multiplayer. The setting was decent but nothing tremendously special.

[AdmiralCheez]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

And telling me that is going to change what, in your opinion?

You know what?  You're right.  No matter how much I call you out on it, no matter how many times I refute your arguments, no matter how polite OR abrasive I am towards you, you can't help but be an ass.  I can even agree with you and you'll still treat me and everyone else like we're idiots not worth your time.  I had my hopes, but... *shurg*

Can't blame me for trying.  You see, I have this strange delusion that it's actually possible to make the forums a better place.  I should have ignored you, but for a second there I actually hoped that maybe, just maybe, calling you out on your dickishness would enourage you to stop.  It was stupid of me to feed your desire for attention.

Anyway, pardon my melodramatic bullsh*t, but seriously, dude, I honestly believed you had the potential to not be a jerk.  Trolls gonna troll, I suppose.  Even the smarter ones.

I never cared about your theories, your opinions, or your personal tastes.  It was the presentation I had a problem with, and your refusal to accept a valid point from an opposing view.

BACK ON TOPIC.  Flags.  Squadmates.  Yeah.  And stuff.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 20 février 2011 - 12:45 .