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[ROD525]

My Sole Survivor Shepard was screaming inside. Im really perplexed why Bioware did'nt even give us the option to talk about Akuze...it makes no sense. Cerberus put thresher mawl acid in my squad members veins and I SAY NOTHING...WTH. Why even have the different backrounds if they mean nothing to the creators of the game. What was the point?

Modifié par ROD525, 30 décembre 2010 - 01:27 .

[xI extremist Ix]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...
 "Great, now I have the respect of the council and the entire Alliance military." Then, "Oh, you died and the majority of your squad members moved on, the Council dismisses your claims and you no longer work for the Alliance."

Thats what happens when a company makes a game where you do not need any prior information to play.

[Anacronian Stryx]

I think it's cool idea to change the venue of the games it keeps things fresh, But i don't really like the Cerberus option for several reasons.



1. It's a practical retcon of everything when learned about Cerberus in ME1

2. To many "why would i even work with these guys" and to few explained and explored.

3. Geth gets a retcon also - it just seams like overkill to change two major factions in this way.



I would rather have that the Geth were the once who reanimated The Shep(hell there was a Geth ship in the area when the Normandy went down) - It's also more believable that the Geth can do some magic-tech and bring Shep back to life than Cerberus.

Legion could join you from the beginning of the game and you'll virtually have to work your way up from zero, No Normandy no crew, Shep cant go to the citadel coz he/she got Geth tech inside him and soforth..



Cerberus could remain a good old menace to sociaty.

[Kusy]

Hmm... I never understood that idiotic idea with "making it a fresh start for new players". Screw new players (sorry new players, don't feel personaly harmed by my harsh opinions). When you make a sequel to a movie you don't wipe the storyline blank just because there might be people who never watched the first one - if they find the toppic and the movie atractive they will first check out part one. Why it wouldn't work in the game industry - don't ask me - I don't know.

[PsychoWARD23]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Hmm... I never understood that idiotic idea with "making it a fresh start for new players". Screw new players (sorry new players, don't feel personaly harmed by my harsh opinions). When you make a sequel to a movie you don't wipe the storyline blank just because there might be people who never watched the first one - if they find the toppic and the movie atractive they will first check out part one. Why it wouldn't work in the game industry - don't ask me - I don't know.

Yeah, I think this was my main gripe.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

1. It's a practical retcon of everything when learned about Cerberus in ME1
2. To many "why would i even work with these guys" and to few explained and explored.
3. Geth gets a retcon also - it just seams like overkill to change two major factions in this way.

1. Nothing about Cerberus was retconned, we were just given a different perspective.
2. Umm . . . to save the human colonies and stop a powerful ally of the Reapers. If that is not reason enough, then Shepard is a naive idiot.
3. Again, not a retcon, just a different perspective. Also, Legion may just be committing espionage on Shepard.

[hamtyl07]

for me its a love/hate relationship, i dont hate them but the same time i dont love them. its one of thise things there are some ideas but some of those ideas are just way to extreme where on the other hand some of those ideas are actually good so i have definative answer

[BiancoAngelo7]

Considering it's CIA in space, no not really, Im just waiting for the opportunity to take it over ala Shadow Broker and kick tim out.

[kmcd5722]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Considering it's CIA in space, no not really, Im just waiting for the opportunity to take it over ala Shadow Broker and kick tim out.

Only one problem, the CIA is a part of the US government.  Cerebus is now on their own, privately funded, and the Alliance is on a mission to stop them (as far as we know, the Alliance does not have any dealings with Cerberus other than shutting them down).

However, TIM is too dynamical to have killed.  Kicked out, maybe, but I still think he has too many fabolous strings attached to be completely removed.

[wolfsite]

Aeowyn wrote...

No, I was disappointed by the fact that I could not, not once, bring up Akuze.

Ya pretty much this.  Plus not being able to come up with a decent reply in LOTB when it is brought up.

[PauseforEffect]

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation that irks. Sure, Shepard could "leave" after Freedom's Progress, but having been given reasonable conditions & motivation in working with a despised organization, the onus would be on Shepard if he/she left, making Shepard seem the irrational one just because of "petty" grudges.

It's the fact that it's obvious the Illusive Man is manipulating Shepard, herding the Spectre with a careful word here and an unspoken gesture there that grates when working with Cerberus. You know you're being used like a tool but you have no leverage to justify leaving yet.

[Sesshomaru47]

I was disappointed you couldn't sabotage them more than what you were able too. Yay I stole intel and gave it to the Alliance and I told the TIM to jam it....You should have more opportunities to be anti or pro Cerberus.

[Cauter]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

 I'm just glad they got Martin Sheen, he did an amazing job.

Martin Sheen did a great job, menacing, intimidating, persuasive, hidden and yet, helpful. 

i was thinking what if Willum Dafoa, not sure if i spelled his name right, had voiced TIM. his voice is and could've been awesome.

[Zulu_DFA]

kmcd5722 wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Considering it's CIA in space, no not really, Im just waiting for the opportunity to take it over ala Shadow Broker and kick tim out.

Only one problem, the CIA is a part of the US government.  Cerebus is now on their own, privately funded, and the Alliance is on a mission to stop them (as far as we know, the Alliance does not have any dealings with Cerberus other than shutting them down).

However, TIM is too dynamical to have killed.  Kicked out, maybe, but I still think he has too many fabolous strings attached to be completely removed.

Considering that the Systems Alliance is not exactly a US in space, but rather a British East India Company in space, and Cerberus had been always "privately" funded even before it allegedly went "rogue", Cerberus may very well haven't gone "rogue" at all, and remains part of the Alliance. And in any case the Alliance has a lot more dealings with Cerberus than missions to stop them.

Click here for details.

[dgcatanisiri]

The fact that Cerberus was responsible for so much... unpleasantness in ME1 that was not even touched upon does grate. I envision my Shepard's doing a LOT of teeth-clenching every time their name gets tied to theirs, but the most you can do about it is say 'I'm not working with them, they're working for me,' then get called on that ('Oh, so those were YOUR bugs that I deactivated?'). Shepard takes it in so easily as well - 'I hate you Cerberus types! But you're the only ones doing anything about the Collectors/Reapers, so we'll work together! Where do we go first?' Given how many Cerberus activities could have killed Shepard, there needed to be more of a reaction out of them.

Also, there should have been more open methods of being able to sabotage them - through playing up the 'let's sway Miranda from Cerberus cheerleader to standing against them' or by having more missions (not sidequests but actual missions) where you can either help or hinder Cerberus actions. Given how much time was spent in the first game showing that Cerberus was a shadow organization that could not be trusted, seeing Shepard roll over so casually is very disappointing.

[MassEffect762]

Every now and then while playing I'd wonder what the other Council Spectres and Alliance were doing.



Never did care working for them, I guess I'll have to wait and see come ME3 to find out why Bioware dedicated the sequel to them.

[Googlesaurus]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

Googlesaurus wrote...

More with how Cerberus doesn't really do too much for me and the mission. Sure TIM tells me where to go and Cerberus science teams give me new guns/armor, but what about Cerberus' supposed political influence?

Well there's nothing you really could have done in the Terminus Systems.

Why? Nothing stops Cerberus from operating in the Terminus Systems. At the very least they could have opened some doors and let it be known that it was the organization's doing. 

Modifié par Googlesaurus, 30 décembre 2010 - 05:19 .

[massive_effect]

I was disappointed that Cerberus was a cliche liberal version of an evil corporation. Ironically, the closest real person most like TIM is George Soros (an ultra left-wing billionare and a National Socialist).

Modifié par massive_effect, 30 décembre 2010 - 05:26 .

[Sidac]

Im probably the only person that actually enjoyed working for Cerberus strictly due to the fact that I "don't have the rights or resources of a spectre" so what could I possibly get up to with my new and improved normandy? hmmm? I mean besides telling the council to shove their offer up their ass? ooo yea! Everything! I see them as a necessary evil and its nice to finally play for the side that isnt the goody-goody suckup.

Modifié par Sidac, 30 décembre 2010 - 05:33 .

[CmdrKankrelat]

Michael Caine once said of a movie he worked on, "I hated the movie, but I love the house it built." Similarly, I vehemently disagree with Cerberus' methods and goals, but I love the guns and cool Isaac Asimov-esque starship they gave me!

[CmdrKankrelat]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

kmcd5722 wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Considering it's CIA in space, no not really, Im just waiting for the opportunity to take it over ala Shadow Broker and kick tim out.

Only one problem, the CIA is a part of the US government.  Cerebus is now on their own, privately funded, and the Alliance is on a mission to stop them (as far as we know, the Alliance does not have any dealings with Cerberus other than shutting them down).

However, TIM is too dynamical to have killed.  Kicked out, maybe, but I still think he has too many fabolous strings attached to be completely removed.

Considering that the Systems Alliance is not exactly a US in space, but rather a British East India Company in space, and Cerberus had been always "privately" funded even before it allegedly went "rogue", Cerberus may very well haven't gone "rogue" at all, and remains part of the Alliance. And in any case the Alliance has a lot more dealings with Cerberus than missions to stop them.

Click here for details.

this theory has occured to me as well. many governments in history have created groups that were branded as outlaws, mercenaries, or terrorists, but in reality, existed to extend the reach of the government beyond its own laws.

In the Kasumi DLC, Keiji does say that the secret he has hidden in his graybox could "implicate the Alliance" and "lead to interstellar war" if discovered.  I doubt the Alliance itself, beyond the private monetary contributions of a few of its military-industrial figures, is secretly using Cerberus to further its own agenda.  But I do wonder at times.  I won't be surprised if we find out Udina has ties with Cerberus. 

[Zulu_DFA]

CmdrKankrelat wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

kmcd5722 wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Considering it's CIA in space, no not really, Im just waiting for the opportunity to take it over ala Shadow Broker and kick tim out.

Only one problem, the CIA is a part of the US government.  Cerebus is now on their own, privately funded, and the Alliance is on a mission to stop them (as far as we know, the Alliance does not have any dealings with Cerberus other than shutting them down).

However, TIM is too dynamical to have killed.  Kicked out, maybe, but I still think he has too many fabolous strings attached to be completely removed.

Considering that the Systems Alliance is not exactly a US in space, but rather a British East India Company in space, and Cerberus had been always "privately" funded even before it allegedly went "rogue", Cerberus may very well haven't gone "rogue" at all, and remains part of the Alliance. And in any case the Alliance has a lot more dealings with Cerberus than missions to stop them.

Click here for details.

this theory has occured to me as well. many governments in history have created groups that were branded as outlaws, mercenaries, or terrorists, but in reality, existed to extend the reach of the government beyond its own laws.

In the Kasumi DLC, Keiji does say that the secret he has hidden in his graybox could "implicate the Alliance" and "lead to interstellar war" if discovered.  I doubt the Alliance itself, beyond the private monetary contributions of a few of its military-industrial figures, is secretly using Cerberus to further its own agenda.  But I do wonder at times.  I won't be surprised if we find out Udina has ties with Cerberus. 

In the beginning of Ascension Paul Grayson and Pel discuss whether or not TIM would be able to pull strings about who gets appointed to Alliance's seat on the Council. And in Retribution Udina is the Councillor.

[Big I]

I would have prefered to work with the Shadow Broker

[Zulu_DFA]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I would have prefered to work with the Shadow Broker

The Shadow Broker did not prefer to work with you. He prefered to sell you to the Collectors.