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[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, your own Shepard will of course do as he will.

Which is why the people constantly yapping about wanting to bring up Akuze seem to fail to grasp one significant point. Other people might have their Sheps having a completely and different opinion of what happened on Akuze. So do bioware waste resources on trying to think of ways Shep would see the situation or go for plain neutral 'no bringing up of the topic'. We know which choice was made. Sadly some people can't seem to grasp that.

Which is why if there was a chance to bring up the Anderson incident, it will most likely go the same route unless it plays some part in the game story because as was previously stated nothing in the books is going to be a major point of the game unless it is explored within the game.

To answer the OP title question, nope, I wasn't. Some of my Sheps might have been but one of them (avatar) actually was very pleased as he feels that despite the run-ins in the past, Cerberus has helped shape him into the person he is, not just once but twice DAMMIT!

Just as much as I hope there is a chance to tell TIM to properly get lost in ME3 I hope there is a choice to stick with them too as they seem to be the only ones really giving a damn about the Reapers.

[Xilizhra]

Just as much as I hope there is a chance to tell TIM to properly get lost in ME3 I hope there is a choice to stick with them too as they seem to be the only ones really giving a damn about the Reapers.

Somehow, I don't think that'll last.

[Dean_the_Young]

After the Reapers show up is a tad late to start caring and preparing.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 30 décembre 2010 - 11:05 .

[Xilizhra]

Well, if that's too late, then the galaxy's screwed.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
Which is why the people constantly yapping about wanting to bring up Akuze seem to fail to grasp one significant point. Other people might have their Sheps having a completely and different opinion of what happened on Akuze. So do bioware waste resources on trying to think of ways Shep would see the situation or go for plain neutral 'no bringing up of the topic' 

Interesting point, and I do agree. My Shep actually wasn't that badly affected by Akuze.  Her Earthborn upbringing left her relatively unfazed by death and destruction--she got therapy and moved on none the worse except for a moderate phobia of thresher maws on foot.  It wasn't Akuze that sparked her hatred for Cerberus--it was Cerberus's actions in ME1, and the little sticking point that they're ideologically opposed in just about every way possible.  I wouldn't have liked it either if there was an option to bring up Akuze and it was all about how damaged Shep was ><  BLEARRGH.

I LIKED working with Cerberus in ME2 precisely because of the challenge--TIM and my Shep probably would've been gunning for each other under different circumstances.  Having to work with people you ostensibly hate for a greater good was very interesting, and it was fun watching my Shep slowly defrost and find the human beings under the Cerberus uniforms.  She and TIM still hate each other, though 

[Dean_the_Young]

Indeed. The galaxy is screwed regardless. No matter what, the Reaper war will hurt. That is why those who have the means, the will, and the intent to lessen the screwing as much as possible should not be hunted down and executed.

[Xilizhra]

Indeed. The galaxy is screwed regardless. No matter what, the Reaper war will hurt. That is why those who have the means, the will, and the intent to lessen the screwing as much as possible should not be hunted down and executed.

And if they do, then I won't. That's all there is to it.

[Dean_the_Young]

Which is why you're better than Anderson!

[Xilizhra]

When did he hunt down and execute anyone? The operation he was involved in didn't even have anything to do with the Reapers.

[Dean_the_Young]

He was out to take down Cerberus. It's sort of a major plot point in Retribution.



Cerberus is very much involved with opposing the Reapers.



Anderson knows this.

[Xilizhra]

Possibly even he doesn't completely believe in the Reapers; either that or he believes that when Cerberus is brought down and its information plundered, the Alliance can use it all to fight the Reapers better.

Which he may well be right in thinking. But perhaps he has too much faith in the Alliance.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

Xilizhra wrote...

Possibly even he doesn't completely believe in the Reapers; either that or he believes that when Cerberus is brought down and its information plundered, the Alliance can use it all to fight the Reapers better.
Which he may well be right in thinking. But perhaps he has too much faith in the Alliance.

Why would Anderson believe the Alliance will pull a 180 on the Reaper issue? They're not doing anything about the Reapers, hell, they don't do anything when human colonies are being abducted.

Anderson wants to take down an organization fighting against the Reapers to give it to an organization that is not fighting against the Reapers, hoping it will better the galaxy's chances of defeating the Reapers? That makes zero sense to me.

[Xilizhra]

Why would Anderson believe the Alliance will pull a 180 on the Reaper issue? They're not doing anything about the Reapers, hell, they don't do anything when human colonies are being abducted.

A lack of conclusive proof on the Alliance's part, which Cerberus presumably has.

Anderson wants to take down an organization fighting against the Reapers to give it to an organization that is not fighting against the Reapers, hoping it will better the galaxy's chances of defeating the Reapers? That makes zero sense to me.

Ironically, it's probably patriotism.

[azerSheppard]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I suppose we'll see, then, how much this has crippled the anti-Reaper defense.

Also, saving Anderson from the Alliance might be fun.

Well, as we all know, none of the decisions will have a huge effect on ME3, and it's safe to say Cerberus will have a smaller roll.

As for saving Anderson, I just hope there's a choice. I could see my Shepard going to defend him (thinking he couldn't have possibly been that stupid), then finding out he had been that stupid, and then asking for the firing squad.

Cerberus is not in the least interested in defeating the Reapers, their more interested in "when the dust settles we take over".

You can take it as a personal atack and imprison Mannings   Anderson for exposing corruption and aggressive movement toward dominion, or you can call him a hero.
It's just a matter of opinion.


Also, cerberus was created by the Alliance, but has gone rouge. So they are no longer part of the alliance. Exposing anything involving cerberus, including former meddlings of the Alliance will cause more coexistance than problems. 
I seriously reccomend reading the first book, remember how the Alliance got caught with AI research.

[Dean_the_Young]

azerSheppard wrote...

Cerberus is not in the least interested in defeating the Reapers, their more interested in "when the dust settles we take over".

That only goes against the words, actions, and even inner thoughts of Cerberus and its chain of command from the Illusive Man down from the start of ME2 through Retribution, starting with their basis for bringing Shepard back and identification of the Colony abductions even before the Collectors were know, but hey.

[Ryzaki]

Urgh. I hated it. The steamrolling made it worse. My Shep wouldn't have worked with Cerberus right off the bat and most likely would've shot Miranda/Jacob on sight. (Then Liara for giving him to them in the first place).

As for the "people have different interpretations" bit about Akuze they could've given some options including but not limited to: one with Shep cursing Cerberus out, one with him/her asking the reasoning for it and either argreeing/disagreeing with that reasoning and a third with him/her telling Cerberus to STFU and never mention it again.

Akuze should've been mentioned. There really was no damn excuse.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 décembre 2010 - 01:05 .

[Aeowyn]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, your own Shepard will of course do as he will.

Which is why the people constantly yapping about wanting to bring up Akuze seem to fail to grasp one significant point. Other people might have their Sheps having a completely and different opinion of what happened on Akuze. So do bioware waste resources on trying to think of ways Shep would see the situation or go for plain neutral 'no bringing up of the topic'. We know which choice was made. Sadly some people can't seem to grasp that.

Which is why if there was a chance to bring up the Anderson incident, it will most likely go the same route unless it plays some part in the game story because as was previously stated nothing in the books is going to be a major point of the game unless it is explored within the game.

To answer the OP title question, nope, I wasn't. Some of my Sheps might have been but one of them (avatar) actually was very pleased as he feels that despite the run-ins in the past, Cerberus has helped shape him into the person he is, not just once but twice DAMMIT!

Just as much as I hope there is a chance to tell TIM to properly get lost in ME3 I hope there is a choice to stick with them too as they seem to be the only ones really giving a damn about the Reapers.

When I want my Shep to get the option to talk about Akuze it's not because I want her to go "You ruined my life!!!". My Shepard wants them to acknowledge it and hear the reasoning behind it. She wants to hear why. She's also very intersted in finding out if the Alliance knew about it and were possibly behind it, because at the time Cerberus was part of the Alliance and she just wants her suspicions confirmed. A colony goes silent and they want "volunteers" to check it out. Former Alliance scientists. Yeah, that's suspicious alright.

And at least an option to be able to defend yourself when Vasir calls you out on it. It was just, bleh.

[Vaenier]

Ryzaki wrote...

Urgh. I hated it. The steamrolling made it worse. My Shep wouldn't have worked with Cerberus right off the bat and most likely would've shot Miranda/Jacob on sight. (Then Liara for giving him to them in the first place).

Do people actually think or are they just so blinded by irrational hate that they would kill the people responcible for saving their life... Humans are sad.

Modifié par Vaenier, 31 décembre 2010 - 01:31 .

[Aeowyn]

Vaenier wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Urgh. I hated it. The steamrolling made it worse. My Shep wouldn't have worked with Cerberus right off the bat and most likely would've shot Miranda/Jacob on sight. (Then Liara for giving him to them in the first place).

Do people actually think or are they just so blinded by irrational hate that they would kill the people responcible for saving your life... Humans are sad.

Maybe if they're playing a Shepard who didn't want to be saved. Who knows.

Modifié par Aeowyn, 31 décembre 2010 - 01:31 .

[King Gigglez]

I hate Cerberus, I would personally have been revived and told the Illusive Man to go screw himself, he is a horrible person, his means do not justify the ends. I would much rather have worked with the Turian Councilar over the Illusive man

[Dean_the_Young]

Vaenier wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Urgh. I hated it. The steamrolling made it worse. My Shep wouldn't have worked with Cerberus right off the bat and most likely would've shot Miranda/Jacob on sight. (Then Liara for giving him to them in the first place).

Do people actually think or are they just so blinded by irrational hate that they would kill the people responcible for saving their life... Humans are sad.

It's not like they died or anything.

It was just a painless, somewhat boring cutscene.

[lovgreno]

Aeowyn wrote...

TIM and Cerberus do have further use in the fight against the Reapers. But just because I'm fighting alongside them it doesn't mean I have to trust them.

Probably yes. But since they have a habit of making a mess out of things and making powerfull enemies it's not sure if it is worth it. In the ME2 story Cerberus had the role of a necesary evil to save the dissapearing colonies. Over the storyline of the game we were constantly reminded of that the price to work with them was high, perhaps even high enough to risk a victory in the reaper conflict. They are not the badass and pragmatic saviours of the galaxy some fans likes to see them as.

[Aeowyn]

lovgreno wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

TIM and Cerberus do have further use in the fight against the Reapers. But just because I'm fighting alongside them it doesn't mean I have to trust them.

Probably yes. But since they have a habit of making a mess out of things and making powerfull enemies it's not sure if it is worth it. In the ME2 story Cerberus had the role of a necesary evil to save the dissapearing colonies. Over the storyline of the game we were constantly reminded of that the price to work with them was high, perhaps even high enough to risk a victory in the reaper conflict. They are not the badass and pragmatic saviours of the galaxy some fans likes to see them as.

When the true evil shows up on your doorstep, do you really care who is fighting by your side as long as they're fighting your enemy?
No I agree they're not as badass and pragmatic saviours. Definitely not. But honestly, at this point, my Shepard can't really trust anyone. Not even the Alliance.

(BTW, I love your Councillor Velarn sig lol)

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

lovgreno wrote...
They are not the badass and pragmatic saviours of the galaxy some fans likes to see them as.

Maybe not, but they have proven to be the badass and pragmatic saviors of human colonies in the the traverse. They have single-handedly stopped the greatest threat to humanity since First Contact. That's more than can be said of the Alliance.

[Dean_the_Young]

lovgreno wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

TIM and Cerberus do have further use in the fight against the Reapers. But just because I'm fighting alongside them it doesn't mean I have to trust them.

Probably yes. But since they have a habit of making a mess out of things and making powerfull enemies it's not sure if it is worth it. In the ME2 story Cerberus had the role of a necesary evil to save the dissapearing colonies. Over the storyline of the game we were constantly reminded of that the price to work with them was high, perhaps even high enough to risk a victory in the reaper conflict. They are not the badass and pragmatic saviours of the galaxy some fans likes to see them as.

When were we ever given such a point, let alone repeatedly?